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Post by snowflake on Jan 13, 2017 13:54:14 GMT
Are we witnessing her losing her memories as Mort did before entering the Ether? Or does she honestly not remember Annie? Do we have any evidence that Jeanne ever knew who Annie was (beyond just another Court student)? Perhaps she didn't at first, but now is the third time she meets Annie, and she doesn't seem to acknowledge it, or recognize the cut she inflicted. Compare and contrast: Parley, whom she definitely, obviously recognized. Also: there clearly is some kind of special relationship between them that enabled Jeanne to cross the Annan Waters the night Annie fell off the bridge. I still hope to see this explained. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 13, 2017 14:23:16 GMT
Ah, so it really WAS just ketchup the whole time.
but seriously, will Jeanne be called back to help Smitty...or will she bring him onto the boat? And will Annie handle the crossover or will another psychopomp appear and be like "oh, is it safe now"?
Are there other souls in the Annan that need escorting?
Sadly, I think this IS the end for Smitface.
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Post by razgrizx on Jan 13, 2017 14:34:30 GMT
Saving Jeanne is a pretty an event that had a lot of build-up and is pretty important. I don't think we're close to endgame but if there was anything like a mark to the midway point, I think this would be it.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 13, 2017 14:44:26 GMT
Do we have any evidence that Jeanne ever knew who Annie was (beyond just another Court student)? Perhaps she didn't at first, but now is the third time she meets Annie, and she doesn't seem to acknowledge it, or recognize the cut she inflicted. Compare and contrast: Parley, whom she definitely, obviously recognized. Also: there clearly is some kind of special relationship between them that enabled Jeanne to cross the Annan Waters the night Annie fell off the bridge. I still hope to see this explained. This is the first time she has met Annie as original Jeanne (not ghost-sentinel Jeanne); perhaps the two don't share memories. In which case, she probably doesnt recognize Parley at his point either. |
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Post by phantaskippy on Jan 13, 2017 14:47:33 GMT
I think Jeanne lost her rage ghost memories when she remembered herself.
As for signs they are in the ether, there's always people reacting to Kat being revealed. Hopefully that means a lot more Kat, which is all I really want.
Things that may connect:
1. Kat learns to make robot flesh, Smitty get's horrible stab wound to chest.
2. Smitty and Annie become the mediators, disrupt something the court did that was viewed as incredibly important, and Smitty gets injured, could be off work for a while, leaving Annie as Forrest medium with no friendly court mediator.
3. Coyote's tooth, Diego's Arrow. We were just reminded that it is a thing, and now this. The Tooth wasn't used against Jeanne (my expectation), so what is it going to do?
Questions:
1. Why was Jeanne so important. She doesn't affect the bridge, she can't cross the water, what was she doing down there that was so important they invented a magical arrow and killed 2 people? I mean they can't just be re-writing Romeo and Juliet.
2. How is Coyote going to react to this change? How will this affect the balance of power between court and forest?
3. Where is Kat going?
I don't think this story is closing a plot, but tearing open the nice, safe setting the story has been. The Court is not going to be pleased, and if they went to these kind of measures they did it for a reason, and now whatever that was is undone, something big is coming.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 13, 2017 15:07:03 GMT
I think Jeanne lost her rage ghost memories when she remembered herself. As for signs they are in the ether, there's always people reacting to Kat being revealed. Hopefully that means a lot more Kat, which is all I really want. Things that may connect: 1. Kat learns to make robot flesh, Smitty get's horrible stab wound to chest. 2. Smitty and Annie become the mediators, disrupt something the court did that was viewed as incredibly important, and Smitty gets injured, could be off work for a while, leaving Annie as Forrest medium with no friendly court mediator. 3. Coyote's tooth, Diego's Arrow. We were just reminded that it is a thing, and now this. The Tooth wasn't used against Jeanne (my expectation), so what is it going to do? Questions: 1. Why was Jeanne so important. She doesn't affect the bridge, she can't cross the water, what was she doing down there that was so important they invented a magical arrow and killed 2 people? I mean they can't just be re-writing Romeo and Juliet. 2. How is Coyote going to react to this change? How will this affect the balance of power between court and forest? 3. Where is Kat going? I don't think this story is closing a plot, but tearing open the nice, safe setting the story has been. The Court is not going to be pleased, and if they went to these kind of measures they did it for a reason, and now whatever that was is undone, something big is coming. Agreed on Jeanne's memories. But it is quite unclear that the Court remembers Jeanne at all; they know something prevents the crossing of the Annan waters, but the Court itself seems to have been quite successful at erasing memory of the whole Jeanne episode. Jeanne-rage-ghost was there to prevent crossing before the bridge went up. Post-bridge, her only purpose would seem to be preventing crossing in secret - everyone must use the bridge, or else. This gives the Court more control over the passage... So with Jeanne gone, they way is open for more secret infiltrations by both sides. Could get interesting/messy..... |
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Post by OrzBrain on Jan 13, 2017 15:07:41 GMT
The Tooth never came into this at all. That means its only use is to kill Jones! Booo!
I wanted Jones to live. Or whatever she does. This is the thing that always bothers me about immortal characters dying in stories. She's been around for billions of years, during which time there were all kinds of gods and monsters around. And now some random trickster god is just going to happen to off her during this little time we are watching. What are the chances?
She's been alive for billions of years, through all kinds of mishaps, and now all it takes to kill her is a tooth?
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jan 13, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
Huh - something funny. The Green Man gave her something she lost, and Jeanne removed something she gained. Annie's looking much more like the girl who first fell in the ravine now. I wonder if that was intentional. Clearly Annie never left the ravine and she has been dreaming the last 52 chapters. *ducks* |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 13, 2017 16:03:14 GMT
Huh - something funny. The Green Man gave her something she lost, and Jeanne removed something she gained. Annie's looking much more like the girl who first fell in the ravine now. I wonder if that was intentional. Clearly Annie never left the ravine and she has been dreaming the last 52 chapters. *ducks* Next page she wakes up next to Susan Pleshette and says "I just had the weirdest dream..." End chapter sign |
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Post by Per on Jan 13, 2017 16:11:09 GMT
Gee, I hope Annie bothers to actually ask them about who they are, what happened and maybe something about a certain seed bismuth rather than just rushing them off into the ether. Annie: Wait, before you go. Can you tell me how Gunnerkrigg Court was built? Jeanne: The Court? It grew from the Seed Bismuth. Annie: But - Jeanne: What are you, a simpleton? Annie: *pushes off raft* |
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Post by gpvos on Jan 13, 2017 16:22:25 GMT
Why do they actually need to hurry? There are no Court people around who might see them as a problem (and since all their records have been erased, no Court person should actually see them as a problem). It seems their memories have flashed back to their last moments. That would have been before the command was given to erase the records, and with all the people that were waiting on the cliff edge above Jeanne may have been aware she was being followed. Yes, of course. But here Annie is egging them on, even though she knows a lot more about the actual current situation, while Jeanne is actually dawdling a bit. So my question was and is: why is Annie in such a hurry for them? |
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Post by icaruscollective on Jan 13, 2017 16:57:03 GMT
It seems their memories have flashed back to their last moments. That would have been before the command was given to erase the records, and with all the people that were waiting on the cliff edge above Jeanne may have been aware she was being followed. Yes, of course. But here Annie is egging them on, even though she knows a lot more about the actual current situation, while Jeanne is actually dawdling a bit. So my question was and is: why is Annie in such a hurry for them? Because she's in a hurry to help get Smitty get medical attention, so she's rushing through her official afterlife guide duties so that she can turn all her attention to making sure Smitty won't be needing those services as well? |
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Post by cb3 on Jan 13, 2017 17:42:22 GMT
Just thinkin'. I don't suppose Jeanne's weapons only create wounds in the ether and not in reality. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=143. Etheric wounds do for an etheric creature like a psychopomp but what about someone who exists mainly in base reality, like Smits! |
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Post by warrl on Jan 13, 2017 17:51:11 GMT
The notion that Jeanne's weapons only wound in the ether is wrecked by her slicing remote-controlled cameras in two.
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Post by cb3 on Jan 13, 2017 17:51:57 GMT
The notion that Jeanne's weapons only wound in the ether is wrecked by her slicing remote-controlled cameras in two. Meh |
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 13, 2017 18:38:20 GMT
1. Kat learns to make robot flesh, Smitty get's horrible stab wound to chest. Smitty's getting an arc reactor and becomes iron man. CALLING IT |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 13, 2017 19:14:34 GMT
1. Kat learns to make robot flesh, Smitty get's horrible stab wound to chest. Smitty's getting an arc reactor and becomes iron man. CALLING IT nah, call him Iron-Brows ! |
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Post by bgb16999 on Jan 13, 2017 19:14:52 GMT
Only Iron? I thought he'd be more likely to become Bismuth Man!
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 13, 2017 19:23:31 GMT
Only Iron? I thought he'd be more likely to become Bismuth Man! That works out so much better. Smitty is totally square. |
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Post by phantaskippy on Jan 13, 2017 19:28:23 GMT
Also they looked up the last moments of several creatures that she killed.
I'm not convinced they trapped Jeanne just to stop people from crossing the water. They needed someone there, they chose Jeanne, they erased the evidence.
That doesn't sound to me like a barrier, because it didn't stop them from building the bridge, it gave no protection from the future court undoing their defenses.
Fortify the annan waters, and protect the court. Doesn't say from what.
Could be way off base, but I think there is something else entirely that caused them to need someone down there.
Also Diego referred to the green man as a traitor. Interested to see if that develops into something.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 13, 2017 22:24:14 GMT
Her cut was a purely etheric wound, showing no trace in the real world Andrew straight up has a dirk in his chest I'm not so sure his injury can be wiped away so easy But on the other eyestalk, it's something that impressed a god. And assuming Coyote tried to lick it closed, he failed. Which tells us something about Jeanne, yes. On the third eyestalk, an attempt to move her back and re-introduce to the living right now may be a very bad idea for everyone involved. On another eyestalk, if Annie initiated the process, it may be impossible to go back either way. |
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Post by icaruscollective on Jan 13, 2017 23:54:26 GMT
On another eyestalk, if Annie initiated the process, it may be impossible to go back either way. Yeah, she's probably committed at this point. Even if Jeanne could erase Smitty's injury like she did for Annie, this possibility didn't reveal itself until after Annie had already started the process of escorting them onward. Too late now, most likely. Nothing she can do but keep key-mashing her way through the end-of-quest cutscene as quickly as possible, so as to try to aid the party member who's hemorrhaging hit points by the second. Shame to skip through the bonus content when they spent so much time and effort grinding through the level, but at this point, it's all about getting everyone's asses to the save point, stat. Priorities. |
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Post by todd on Jan 14, 2017 0:21:06 GMT
Also Diego referred to the green man as a traitor. Interested to see if that develops into something. He might have been using the word not in the literal sense (someone guilty of betrayal), but just as an insult. |
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Post by donna on Jan 14, 2017 0:47:49 GMT
Perhaps Smitty's death will attract a psychopomp. I mean other than Annie. Perhaps we need one?
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Post by fish on Jan 14, 2017 2:28:14 GMT
The Tooth never came into this at all. That means its only use is to kill Jones! Booo! I wanted Jones to live. Or whatever she does. This is the thing that always bothers me about immortal characters dying in stories. She's been around for billions of years, during which time there were all kinds of gods and monsters around. And now some random trickster god is just going to happen to off her during this little time we are watching. What are the chances? She's been alive for billions of years, through all kinds of mishaps, and now all it takes to kill her is a tooth? I'm not so sure about the tooth's only purpose being Jones's death. Sure, I also assumed it would be used this time around, but for one: the tooth already served a certain purpose, cutting Shadow from the floor. For another: Jones faced of with Coyote before and he was not overly certain of his ability to take her, if I recall correctly. Why then should a mere tooth be enough to kill her? Also: I think Tom mentioned somewhere that he came up with Jones as a character independently of Gunnerkrigg Court and decided to put her in because she fit (just like with Zimmy+Gamma). So we might not even get a full resolution of Jones's mystery in this story, let alone her death. Of course she still might die by the Damocles Tooth, we'll have to see, like always... |
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Post by arkadi on Jan 14, 2017 9:56:23 GMT
Only Iron? I thought he'd be more likely to become Bismuth Man!
Take me by the hand
Lead me to the land
That you understand
Bismuth Man
The voyage to the
Realm of the Dead
Is a real trip |
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Post by Gulby on Jan 14, 2017 13:37:46 GMT
For another: Jones faced of with Coyote before and he was not overly certain of his ability to take her, if I recall correctly. Why then should a mere tooth be enough to kill her? Because he needed someone to believe that the tooth could cut *everything*. He can't believe in his own powers if a human doesn't. He knows Jones for long, brags around her, but maybe, before Annie, nobody knew enough of the two of them and their capabilities to BELEIVE that, somehow, someday, the tooth Coyote gave Annie would be able to cut the impervious Jones... |
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Post by Grabix on Jan 14, 2017 15:28:34 GMT
For people comparing Jeanne to Mort: yes she is in the same state. Just compare panels 1, 2, 3 and 5 of Page 1778 with panels 1, 2 and 3 of Page 1349. And yes, she is forgetting here time as ghost, and are back in her memory to moment of her death. |
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Post by fanofts on Jan 14, 2017 15:30:00 GMT
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Post by Storel on Jan 15, 2017 0:22:21 GMT
Yes, of course. But here Annie is egging them on, even though she knows a lot more about the actual current situation, while Jeanne is actually dawdling a bit. So my question was and is: why is Annie in such a hurry for them? Because she's in a hurry to help get Smitty get medical attention, so she's rushing through her official afterlife guide duties so that she can turn all her attention to making sure Smitty won't be needing those services as well? That's what I'm thinking, too. "Here's your boat, bon voyage [turns away]... Parley! Why haven't you bipped him to the infirmary yet??" |
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