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Post by seedmagnesium on Nov 24, 2016 5:24:37 GMT
I'm surprised that Kat acknowledges that Annie might be seeing different things, but then says "oh it's just a lock doofus". If it was easy Annie would have picked it already!
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Post by zaferion on Nov 24, 2016 5:28:46 GMT
I doubt we'll see Kat unlocking the thing from Annie's PoV, much like how we didn't see her using the Final Records Player from Annie/Mort's PoV in the ROTD.
In the ROTD, Kat saw everything (everything) as plain ol' joe schmoe stuff; here, it's interesting to note that even though everything else is plain ol' joe schmoe, the lock/manacles is still glowing and green. They must be some pretty powerful stuff for it not to be just a boring pair of handcuffs to Kat.
Kind of off topic, but what if Diego had this same sort of no-nonsense vision that Kat does? And that's why the manacles look so green-arrow-fancy? And that's why Kat could read Diego's original coding for the robots?
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Post by csj on Nov 24, 2016 6:51:31 GMT
It's official; kat would ruin call of cthulhu
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Post by noone3 on Nov 24, 2016 7:38:57 GMT
Is it just me, or should there be an adverb in place of adjective at the end?
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Post by zaferion on Nov 24, 2016 7:56:30 GMT
Is it just me, or should there be an adverb in place of adjective at the end? You're right, it should be "easily," but that's only if this were proper grammar. Kat's speech patterns and vernacular aren't are rarely proper. Nor, for that matter, are anyone else's in the comic except maybe Annie in full-on emotionless mask mode and Jones. |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 24, 2016 8:26:23 GMT
Annie would perform better on this level.
Or the other way around: Kat could handle low-level access... so of course she doesn't have it.
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Post by fish on Nov 24, 2016 10:21:45 GMT
Another question: why would Diego even build the device in such a way that it is possible to be opened by somebody else? Istalling a "back door" in case they hit the wrong target? Failure to "think outside the box" (since it's a lock, it needs a working keyhole)? Failure to make a truly unpickable lock? Or is this a hint of a guilty conscience on Diego's part?
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Post by speedwell on Nov 24, 2016 11:31:24 GMT
Another question: why would Diego even build the device in such a way that it is possible to be opened by somebody else? Istalling a "back door" in case they hit the wrong target? Failure to "think outside the box" (since it's a lock, it needs a working keyhole)? Failure to make a truly unpickable lock? Or is this a hint of a guilty conscience on Diego's part? Because all systems can be "unlocked". No system is completely secure; it is only "as secure as possible". What Kat is seeing as a lock that can be opened is just an etheric restraint with an exploitable weakness. Green Man looks just like he did when he was imprisoned... maybe just a little older, perhaps. We know that Jeanne has changed into a spirit of rancor and pain. What is to become of their relationship when he is freed? In all the romance of the backstory, has anyone really thought about what will happen when they meet each other again? I know that if I was ever reunited with an old boyfriend I miss, and found that he had turned into a bitter, violent mess, I wouldn't be able to cope with that. The "lock" device didn't actually imprison Jeanne herself; she presumably died on the riverbank and her vengeful spirit survived. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 24, 2016 14:59:09 GMT
Another question: why would Diego even build the device in such a way that it is possible to be opened by somebody else? Istalling a "back door" in case they hit the wrong target? Failure to "think outside the box" (since it's a lock, it needs a working keyhole)? Failure to make a truly unpickable lock? Or is this a hint of a guilty conscience on Diego's part? Because all systems can be "unlocked". No system is completely secure; it is only "as secure as possible". What Kat is seeing as a lock that can be opened is just an etheric restraint with an exploitable weakness. Green Man looks just like he did when he was imprisoned... maybe just a little older, perhaps. We know that Jeanne has changed into a spirit of rancor and pain. What is to become of their relationship when he is freed? In all the romance of the backstory, has anyone really thought about what will happen when they meet each other again? I know that if I was ever reunited with an old boyfriend I miss, and found that he had turned into a bitter, violent mess, I wouldn't be able to cope with that. The "lock" device didn't actually imprison Jeanne herself; she presumably died on the riverbank and her vengeful spirit survived. As Annie takes them into the ether, they will begin to forget things. For a brief moment they will forget the wrong that was done to them and just remember when they were happy together. |
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Post by Trillium on Nov 24, 2016 16:15:27 GMT
Another question: why would Diego even build the device in such a way that it is possible to be opened by somebody else? Istalling a "back door" in case they hit the wrong target? Failure to "think outside the box" (since it's a lock, it needs a working keyhole)? Failure to make a truly unpickable lock? Or is this a hint of a guilty conscience on Diego's part? Because all systems can be "unlocked". No system is completely secure; it is only "as secure as possible". What Kat is seeing as a lock that can be opened is just an etheric restraint with an exploitable weakness. Green Man looks just like he did when he was imprisoned... maybe just a little older, perhaps. We know that Jeanne has changed into a spirit of rancor and pain. What is to become of their relationship when he is freed? In all the romance of the backstory, has anyone really thought about what will happen when they meet each other again? I know that if I was ever reunited with an old boyfriend I miss, and found that he had turned into a bitter, violent mess, I wouldn't be able to cope with that. The "lock" device didn't actually imprison Jeanne herself; she presumably died on the riverbank and her vengeful spirit survived. A lock can also be broken. It would be more elegant to unlock it. I wonder if Annie could cosentrate until she sees the lock and then form a key for it or manipulate the tumblers. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 24, 2016 18:10:55 GMT
...what if Diego had this same sort of no-nonsense vision that Kat does? And that's why the manacles look so green-arrow-fancy? And that's why Kat could read Diego's original coding for the robots?  Also. I've seen several people (here and elsewhere) suggesting that they'll summon Rey for his lockpicks. Don't forget, though: as they're chatting down here, Parley's involved in an unwinnable duel-to-the-death with a rage spirit on the river bank. They better do this quickly! I hope that time flows differently in the ether and IRL (could also explain how Jeanne is so fast), but the point still stands. As much as I love the exposition, they really need to hurry and complete their task. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 22:58:33 GMT
Because all systems can be "unlocked". No system is completely secure; it is only "as secure as possible". One-time pads, properly used, are cryptographically secure in the strictest sense; without knowledge of the key, an attacker will derive arbitrary messages of the same length from the ciphertext, with no indication as to which one was actually sent. (I find this somewhat reminiscent of Riemann's theorem on conditionally convergent series: arbitrary re-orderings allow for arbitrary limits.) Speaking of cryptography, cracking ciphers used to be a pastime of those enthusiastic about the artful and precise use of languages (then again, this does include mathematicians by definition); Edgar Allan Poe did it for his own amusement. After the advent of polyalphabetic ciphers, they would have an advantage at guessing the key-phrase, often some ossified Latin proverb such as "omnia vincit amor". Such quixotry may have compromised Diego's design as well, whether he intended it out of guilt or not; in both cases, it would follow from his character. When Kat reawakened the original models, the tomb-seeking robot, inclined towards the ornate and dramatic as was his builder, lauded his descendants' "efficient design": along with e.g. the programmed corrida and the Elsies refusing to cut the grass near Sir Young's tomb, and also him calling his robots "my children" on his deathbed, it highlights how much his work was meant to translate his own perception of the world (and when Jeanne sent his "little toys" flying, he thought first of himself), despite the Court finding it useful for their own plans -- I assume that all the remaining easter eggs, such as the response to hearing "Jeanne", have not been eliminated by the Court simply because they do not know about them. Is it time to say "love makes you act in strange ways"? I think you are right; she has the mark of the Creator, after all. |
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Post by csj on Nov 25, 2016 5:00:01 GMT
I'm surprised that Kat acknowledges that Annie might be seeing different things, but then says "oh it's just a lock doofus"  |
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