[407]Oh, I sincerely doubt it.

[tetsamaru]

hmm, after look at page 110, the way Kats dad says its as if Surma is back, makes me think that Maybe Surma also stuffed Reyn in a doll (or had control of him). So for Reyn this is like a sense of Deja Vu.

[mudmaniac]

I tend to be one to look at the flipside of things, but "Born to Heckle" did call Rey a stuffed teddy. I would think Rey would wanna get back at the guy anyways.

[Tenjen]

I love how rey is going all ARARARARARARA on their asses.

The last panel rules with kats expression and Annies looks...very mature and upstanding

[baidol]

May 22, 2008 3:46:09 GMT tetsamaru said:

hmm, after look at page 110, the way Kats dad says its as if Surma is back, makes me think that Maybe Surma also stuffed Reyn in a doll (or had control of him). So for Reyn this is like a sense of Deja Vu.

I'm more thinking along the lines that it is likely Surma would stand her ground, regardless of who she was up against, if she believed what she was doing was right.

Annie defended Reynardine, who essentially murders every sentient being who's body he takes over, against three teachers. Not just three teachers, but a dragonslayer and the parents of her best friend. That's quite a bit of pressure to give in. Logically, she should have handed Reynardine over. Instead, she said "no", because she believed that the conditions of imprisonment were too harsh, even for Reynardine.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the point where Reynardine began to see Antimony a little differently.

[tetsamaru]

hmm didnt think of it that way. I agree with An that Reyn's imprisoment was also a bit harsh.

[todd]

Of course, there will probably some who argue that Annie's real reason for refusing to hand Reynardine over was the fear that if she did so, she'd never find out what the link was between him and her mother. (Not to mention that the school *was* faced with the problem of keeping a body-snatching demon in the body of a great dragon-like beast from causing havoc - and that demon had already broken out of prison once, shortly before Annie saw him in his cell. That might force drastic precautions.)

I think that Annie was (at least partly) motivated by the reasons that she states, but some might not see it that way.

[UbiquitousDragon]

May 22, 2008 20:11:53 GMT tetsamaru said:

hmm didnt think of it that way. I agree with An that Reyn's imprisoment was also a bit harsh.

That depends what his original crime was. Page 292 (Chapter 14, page 33) gives me the general impression that he did something either in Sivo's body or, in fact, before that broke the (Court's?) law. Rather than the death of the host body upon his leaving.

[tetsamaru]

May 22, 2008 22:21:55 GMT UbiquitousDragon said:

May 22, 2008 20:11:53 GMT tetsamaru said:

hmm didnt think of it that way. I agree with An that Reyn's imprisoment was also a bit harsh.

That depends what his original crime was. Page 292 (Chapter 14, page 33) gives me the general impression that he did something either in Sivo's body or, in fact, before that broke the (Court's?) law. Rather than the death of the host body upon his leaving.

He isnt talking about the Court's law though in that page, he was referring to the conversation he and Coyote had i believed. The way Jones explained it to Ann, The court and Forest are like 2 seperate countires each with their own laws. Coyote wanted Reyn to come back to the forest and Reyn said they would never let him back in cause he broke their laws.

In regards to the whole Sivo thing. I think it went like, Reyn broke some Forest law, and was on the run, he Sees Sivo and is like "Body!!!" then he enters Court territory where the Forest "police" cant catch him. But now he would have to deal with the Courts Enforcers. Maybe according to Reyn the Court was the lesser of the 2 evils, especially since the forest might have wanted to put him to death where by the court, he might have a chance to live. He was basically holding Sivo's body hostage and Sivo was a freind of Eglamore (the dragon slayer).

Thats how i read it as anyway. One thing i always woundered is since Coyote seems to have a body why doesnt Reyn? The only thing i can think of is that the forest Enforcers did in fact catch Reyn and "killed" him but only physically, he then transfered his Soul to another body. Then began a line of running away and switching host as Eglamore put it.

[nikita]

The prison for Reynardine would have been a simple locked box considering his current state.
I really think Annie had different reasons for keeping him. Like finding out what he knows about Surma.

[baidol]

To todd's and nikita's points:

I will concede that it is possible that Annie was concerned about not being able to ask Reynardine about her mother, but I would like to point that that, as far as I am aware, Annie has never outright lied to anyone. She has demonstrated several times throughout the story to be uncompromising when it comes to things she feels strongly about, the consequences be damned. It is likely that the truth lies in some combination of altruism and selfishness, with myself more leaning towards the altruistic part, but we'll have to wait and see on that.

To tet's point:

I'm sure that it was the Court's laws that Reynardine broke. When he is speaking to Coyote, he says "I broke their laws, remember? I couldn't leave if I wanted to". He doesn't say he can't go into the forest. He says he can't leave. There are other places besides the Forest he could go, if he was away from Antimony's control, but can't. I would hazard to guess that breaking either the Forest's or the Court's law requires that you face the consequences of the group you offended. As to what laws he broke, we don't have enough information to do more than guess on that. It could be something to do with taking Sivo's body, but if Sivo was taken outside of the Court, and given the Court's general disdain for things magical, I don't believe that the Court would care.

Of course, if Reynardine can't go anywhere, you have to ask the question of where he was trying to escape to when he broke out. Perhaps he got tired of being chained all day and decided to see how far he could get, knowing he was going back no matter what. Perhaps I'm wrong. Another thing we'll have to wait until later to find out.

[Mezzaphor]

Considering where Annie has confined Rey, I don't think she really has the moral high ground to criticize Eggers' imprisoning Rey in a Giant Animal Holding Cell.

May 23, 2008 1:19:51 GMT baidol said:

as far as I am aware, Annie has never outright lied to anyone.

Page 15: Annie lies to Mr. Brass Buttons about her reason for being outside.
Page 164: Annie lies to Eglamore about her past with Robot S13.

May 23, 2008 0:53:42 GMT tetsamaru said:

One thing i always woundered is since Coyote seems to have a body why doesnt Reyn?

Tom has said that Rey had a physical body at one point. We don't know yet what happened to it; your theory sounds reasonable.

[baidol]

May 23, 2008 2:35:11 GMT Mezzaphor said:

Considering where Annie has confined Rey, I don't think she really has the moral high ground to criticize Eggers' imprisoning Rey in a Giant Animal Holding Cell.

May 23, 2008 1:19:51 GMT baidol said:

as far as I am aware, Annie has never outright lied to anyone.

Page 15: Annie lies to Mr. Brass Buttons about her reason for being outside.
Page 164: Annie lies to Eglamore about her past with Robot S13.

Well played, I give two points to you, sir. I'm not saying Annie is paragon of virtue, as we've also already seen her cheating on the lab practical, but I feel that, in this particular instance, she is being genuine. At least mostly.

As for holding her treatment of Reynardine, you must admit that there are not a whole lot of options concerning him. If he was in the possession of Eggers, we can safely assume that he would, at the very least, be permanently imprisoned in a box. Likely worse. While Antimony does have him under her control, she does let him go out and about with her and allows him to speak. Letting him go free is out of the question, as that would require A) allowing him into an inanimate object to do as he pleases, and I don't think anyone, even Annie, trusts him enough for that just yet given who he is or B) allow him to enter a body with a consciousness, which is unacceptable. All things considered, it could be worse for our favorite wolf/demon/thing.

[tetsamaru]

ah thanks for correcting me, i went back to that page before i made that post and it seemed like he was talking about the forest, but the points you made me see that he was talking about the court not forest. also the "trying to steal me away" reyn said. If Coyote wanted to punish Reyn he wouldnt ask "would you come back" he would say "come with me cousin".

I would assume Reyn would go anywhere besides the court and forest. He didnt seem to fond and keen on the idea of going back with Coyote even if he had the choice.

[King Mir]

It's worth pointing out that Rey was in Sivo's body for only 5 years. Yet Rey knew Surma from before. So either Rey met Surma in the forest, or he was in the court prior to taking over Sivo's body. The second would seem more likely given the apparent depth of relationship Rey had with Surma. But then again, Surma was a medium, so it is possible that she just visited the forest often. On the same page Eglamore says that "when he (Rey) leaves a body, it dies", suggesting that it has happened before, and that Sivo was not the first victim.

[Per]

[popo]

that's awesome. you're awesome.

[tetsamaru]

Box bot!!!!

[Tenjen]

thats hilarious