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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 25, 2016 1:47:39 GMT
The biggest problem isn't that Eglamore has these opinions, it is that he is airing them with a young protege. This is how you pass on prejudices. He obviously has unresolved issues with Tony. He may be avoiding Annie's dad because of his anger. Eglamore should be working through these feeling with a trained councilor not an impressionable apprentice. It didn't sink in until I looked at the comic again but George doesn't look bulked up... Unless it's a trick of the camp-stove light, this conversation happened early on in the training. Was it like this the whole time? Did Eggers spill details about why/what/when that are going to be forthcoming, or is George sparing Antimony the grisly details? Remains to be seen, I guess. ... but I actually can't figure out why Annie has been unfriendly towards Eglamore practically since the beginning. The only thing I can really come up with is he possibly tried to be too "dad" towards her a few times but then Rey outright said he would have been a better father than Tony and was forgiven for it. It may just be as simple as Antimony not having an Eggersesque role model/authority figure in her life before and thuswise she feels that he is a threat by his very existence. Eggers is different from Anthony in most ways and probably is also different from anyone else she would have known at the hospital. Perhaps Eggers should have told her that he was an etheric being of some obscure (tattooed) type, she probably would have gotten along with him better. An alternative theory that was advanced in ancient times on the forum is that some bit of her Fire remembers him and it makes her uncomfortable. |
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Post by darlos9d on Jun 25, 2016 14:30:30 GMT
I'm not sure I'm on board with this notion that Eglamore shouldn't have told Parley this stuff, or that he told her "too early" or something. Like, yeah, obviously by her own words he got around to it relatively quickly, but only "relatively." Like, when I first read it, I assumed it was still at least a few days before this conversation happened. Also her words kinda makes it sound like Annie was literally all they talked about in the evenings, but surely that wasn't the case... right?
Also, when you're training a talented and dutiful individual, depending on who you are, it might be rather easy to start considering them as a mature equal of sorts, even if they're technically still beneath you in experience, or rather young. I know I probably would.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 25, 2016 18:15:17 GMT
I should probably add that I'm not judging James for telling George that Anthony is a bag of douche, or for when he did it, I'm just reporting stuff I observe in the comic and engaging in reasoned speculation. If you work at a given place and are talking with a new hire then it's very natural to discuss other people who work at the same place, particularly those you have to watch your shoulder-blades around or who will screw you over in various ways. It's also natural for James to be curious about Antimony since she doesn't really talk to him, he had history with her mom (and dad), and she is probably a topic of interest to the Court. James spent time with George, a friend of Antimony, so of course they'd talk about Antimony. He probably wants to know what she gets up to. She gets up to a lot of interesting stuff that he doesn't know about.
I think you can legitimately criticize Jimmy-Jims Eglamore for perhaps thinking that George would keep her mouth shut about what he's telling her or for not caring if his words get repeated back to Antimony. If Antimony wasn't a kid (or a young adult) and this drama wasn't set in the context of a school this would be a non-issue. What he said can be considered either somewhat unprofessional or just a display of saying things without thinking through the consequences. But even so teachers are people and when away from the school environment they should be allowed unguarded moments now and then. I think we can agree that his feelings with regard to Anthony are sincere; he's probably at the "Anthony Carver can go eat a banana/big bunch of bananas/every banana in the world and I don't care who knows it" stage.
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Post by Trillium on Jun 25, 2016 21:03:50 GMT
I should probably add that I'm not judging James for telling George that Anthony is a bag of douche, or for when he did it, I'm just reporting stuff I observe in the comic and engaging in reasoned speculation. ... I think you can legitimately criticize Jimmy-Jims Eglamore for perhaps thinking that George would keep her mouth shut about what he's telling her or for not caring if his words get repeated back to Antimony. If Antimony wasn't a kid (or a young adult) and this drama wasn't set in the context of a school this would be a non-issue. What he said can be considered either somewhat unprofessional or just a display of saying things without thinking through the consequences. But even so teachers are people and when away from the school environment they should be allowed unguarded moments now and then. I think we can agree that his feelings with regard to Anthony are sincere; he's probably at the "Anthony Carver can go eat a banana/big bunch of bananas/every banana in the world and I don't care who knows it" stage. I'm not sure Eglamore even thought beyond what he was saying or if it would be repeated. He is expressing anger over Anthony's return. Rereading what Jimmy-Jims says; at worst he'd do some serious damage to Tony and at best he doesn't trust the "man." Eglamore may have been told to stay away from Tony or he is being prudent. If he and Parley had the conversation before they went training it might have been a matter of pre-tents. Any bets on what Annie will do? Confront Eglamore or leave well enough alone? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 26, 2016 1:07:17 GMT
I'm not sure Eglamore even thought beyond what he was saying or if it would be repeated. He is expressing anger over Anthony's return. Rereading what Jimmy-Jims says; at worst he'd do some serious damage to Tony and at best he doesn't trust the "man." Eglamore may have been told to stay away from Tony or he is being prudent. Eh, I'm sure that if Anthony had never returned Eggers would still be angry at him. The *professional* thing to do would be to avoid trashing a fellow teacher while giving any needed warnings about how to interact with Anthony successfully in a tactful manner to the new hire/apprentice. Just like when you're giving a presentation or selling something on a team/with a co-worker it's your *job* to act like what your team-mate or co-worker is saying is interesting and nod appreciatively when/if salient points that are being made, feeding them useful questions/lines when appropriate. Even if you're spacing out or watching the chipmunks juggle flaming chainsaws in your imagination, or fantasizing about what the client(s) might look like with their clothes off, whatever you say/do (including body language) should be reinforcing your buddy's cred and helping push the sale/agenda/whatever. Ideally. The *wise* thing to do would to have known that it would put George into an awkward spot, trashing her friend's dad so emphatically, and to have cautioned her about not repeating it if he was going to say these things anyway. At least George decided that the expletives should have been deleted. But really, I'm not judging Eglamore for falling short here, just saying he's being an average human in an organization with someone else that he dislikes, probably someone he dislikes for valid reasons. And there may well be reasons that Eggers would want to lay it on thick in spite of the awkwardness, possibly they are even very good reasons, at least in his own mind. This is a good way to make sure what you say about someone sinks in. I may change my mind about all this later depending on what new facts emerge from the comic but right now I'm not overly concerned with Eggers' recent actions in the comic. Any bets on what Annie will do? Confront Eglamore or leave well enough alone? In the short term I think she won't do anything. In the long term this may turn into/add to her dislike (or at least discomfort) of Eggers. If he and Parley had the conversation before they went training it might have been a matter of pre-tents. The conflict here may be a portent of future harsh words and more training sessions. |
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Post by Trillium on Jun 26, 2016 1:27:44 GMT
I'm not sure Eglamore even thought beyond what he was saying or if it would be repeated. He is expressing anger over Anthony's return. Rereading what Jimmy-Jims says; at worst he'd do some serious damage to Tony and at best he doesn't trust the "man." Eglamore may have been told to stay away from Tony or he is being prudent. Eh, I'm sure that if Anthony had never returned Eggers would still be angry at him. The *professional* thing to do would be to avoid trashing a fellow teacher while giving any needed warnings about how to interact with Anthony successfully in a tactful manner to the new hire/apprentice. Just like when you're giving a presentation or selling something on a team/with a co-worker it's your *job* to act like what your team-mate or co-worker is saying is interesting and nod appreciatively when/if salient points that are being made, feeding them useful questions/lines when appropriate. Even if you're spacing out or watching the chipmunks juggle flaming chainsaws in your imagination, or fantasizing about what the client(s) might look like with their clothes off, whatever you say/do (including body language) should be reinforcing your buddy's cred and helping push the sale/agenda/whatever. Ideally. The *wise* thing to do would to have known that it would put George into an awkward spot, trashing her friend's dad so emphatically, and to have cautioned her about not repeating it if he was going to say these things anyway. At least George decided that the expletives should have been deleted. But really, I'm not judging Eglamore for falling short here, just saying he's being an average human in an organization with someone else that he dislikes, probably someone he dislikes for valid reasons. And there may well be reasons that Eggers would want to lay it on thick in spite of the awkwardness, possibly they are even very good reasons, at least in his own mind. This is a good way to make sure what you say about someone sinks in. I may change my mind about all this later depending on what new facts emerge from the comic but right now I'm not overly concerned with Eggers' recent actions in the comic. Yes, while speaking with some heat, I think Eglamore is just blowing off steam more than anything else. |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Jun 26, 2016 3:10:11 GMT
I should probably add that I'm not judging James for telling George that Anthony is a bag of douche, or for when he did it, I'm just reporting stuff I observe in the comic and engaging in reasoned speculation. ... I think you can legitimately criticize Jimmy-Jims Eglamore for perhaps thinking that George would keep her mouth shut about what he's telling her or for not caring if his words get repeated back to Antimony. If Antimony wasn't a kid (or a young adult) and this drama wasn't set in the context of a school this would be a non-issue. What he said can be considered either somewhat unprofessional or just a display of saying things without thinking through the consequences. But even so teachers are people and when away from the school environment they should be allowed unguarded moments now and then. I think we can agree that his feelings with regard to Anthony are sincere; he's probably at the "Anthony Carver can go eat a banana/big bunch of bananas/every banana in the world and I don't care who knows it" stage. I'm not sure Eglamore even thought beyond what he was saying or if it would be repeated. He is expressing anger over Anthony's return. Rereading what Jimmy-Jims says; at worst he'd do some serious damage to Tony and at best he doesn't trust the "man." Eglamore may have been told to stay away from Tony or he is being prudent. If he and Parley had the conversation before they went training it might have been a matter of pre-tents. Any bets on what Annie will do? Confront Eglamore or leave well enough alone? tbh, I'm wondering if Eglamore might be buzzed in this scene? Just based on the kind of glass he's holding. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 26, 2016 6:06:12 GMT
tbh, I'm wondering if Eglamore might be buzzed in this scene? Just based on the kind of glass he's holding. I think that's an aluminum mess kit like this one. Believe me, I well know the enjoyment (and occasional utility) of bringing adult beverages into the great outdoors but I think James is only drunk on hatred of Anthony Carver. And it is a journey of training and George is underage. Back to the "What was James thinking" topic: I suppose another possibility is that Eggers did know George would tell Antimony what he said. He may think that the destruction of any feelings of admiration Antimony may have for her father is in her best interests and he just might have used George as a back-door way to say things that he wouldn't/couldn't say directly... Unless he physically forced her to listen, Antimony probably wouldn't have sat still for all of what George did. But probably he wasn't thinking. Here's hoping we'll find out more soon. |
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Post by freeman on Jun 26, 2016 8:26:55 GMT
tbh, I'm wondering if Eglamore might be buzzed in this scene? Just based on the kind of glass he's holding. I think that's an aluminum mess kit like this one. Believe me, I well know the enjoyment (and occasional utility) of bringing adult beverages into the great outdoors but I think James is only drunk on hatred of Anthony Carver. And it is a journey of training and George is underage. Back to the "What was James thinking" topic: I suppose another possibility is that Eggers did know George would tell Antimony what he said. He may think that the destruction of any feelings of admiration Antimony may have for her father is in her best interests and he just might have used George as a back-door way to say things that he wouldn't/couldn't say directly... Unless he physically forced her to listen, Antimony probably wouldn't have sat still for all of what George did. But probably he wasn't thinking. Here's hoping we'll find out more soon. I have but two things to add to this. First: In my terminology that cup isn't a part of the mess kit, it's a part of the canteen. Second: when it's a real hike and no picnic, one simply can't afford the weight and space of but maybe one or two very special bottles. Good thing weed is more compact. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 26, 2016 16:18:46 GMT
First: In my terminology that cup isn't a part of the mess kit, it's a part of the canteen. My old one was a very similar cup/bowl but it also had a stove that also went into the canteen pouch. No pots, bowls, or trays. I used to have a tableware set that folded together into one pocket (by bending a knife into a fork into a large spoon, basically) but eventually I abandoned that luxury/space waster in favor of a brief flirtation with a hobo knife, and then finally gave that up as well. Your finger or a stick works fine and you can just drink most things from the cup/bowl. One day I built a real pisser of a fire (because it was reasoanbly cold and really fcking damp) and accidentally melted the damn cup/bowl tho someone else was allegedly watching it. Never bothered replacing it. Flexible sided canteens were coming into fashion and MREs were getting better so I just did without. Second: when it's a real hike and no picnic, one simply can't afford the weight and space of but maybe one or two very special bottles. Good thing weed is more compact. And tobacco. But it's true that bottles can be repackaged into weight-saving fracture-resistant containers. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 26, 2016 17:35:00 GMT
I suppose another possibility is that Eggers did know George would tell Antimony what he said. He may think that the destruction of any feelings of admiration Antimony may have for her father is in her best interests and he just might have used George as a back-door way to say things that he wouldn't/couldn't say directly... I don't see what his plan is supposed to be. Parley leaks, Annie flips out at Parley (it was how many cases out of how many?)... then what? It could make the Mediums/building-jumpers less chummy, but James wouldn't want this, considering that little incident with 'Grin. Counting on Andrew's presence and abilities? But does Eggers even consider this significant? So, most likely it's exactly what it seems to be: "See that guy? He's a gigantic [COFFEEMAKER]. How about helping a little those who have to deal with him?" |
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Post by csj on Jun 26, 2016 21:22:27 GMT
A character in a fictional story that makes you argue in a forum, is probably a good character. Very much on point here. I'll happily admit Anthony not a 'good guy', but both Anthony and James have their complexities. We have seen more of Jimmy-Jims and therefore can relate more easily. I hope that the inward glimpse Donald helped Annie see isn't the only one we get. I'll enjoy the gradual reveal of how Surma x Ant if it provides plenty more drama like this :3 |
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Post by freeman on Jun 26, 2016 22:29:19 GMT
First: In my terminology that cup isn't a part of the mess kit, it's a part of the canteen. My old one was a very similar cup/bowl but it also had a stove that also went into the canteen pouch. No pots, bowls, or trays. I used to have a tableware set that folded together into one pocket (by bending a knife into a fork into a large spoon, basically) but eventually I abandoned that luxury/space waster in favor of a brief flirtation with a hobo knife, and then finally gave that up as well. Your finger or a stick works fine and you can just drink most things from the cup/bowl. One day I built a real pisser of a fire (because it was reasoanbly cold and really fcking damp) and accidentally melted the damn cup/bowl tho someone else was allegedly watching it. Never bothered replacing it. Flexible sided canteens were coming into fashion and MREs were getting better so I just did without. Second: when it's a real hike and no picnic, one simply can't afford the weight and space of but maybe one or two very special bottles. Good thing weed is more compact. And tobacco. But it's true that bottles can be repackaged into weight-saving fracture-resistant containers. Zeroeth: I don't do hiking or camping, I have a thing for military surplus and apparently some more "outdoorsy" people do too. First: "knife into fork into large spoon", as in picture below?  Because I have to say I find these super handy to have even in just office setting. One of the little things I lug around almost everywhere. This and that Czech mess kit of little pot in a big pot and a lid type of construction. Only minus for not having space for that cuttlery set. Not a big minus in the office. If you mean by "hobo knife" that horrible Swiss army knife thing with fork and sppoon and knife, good lord, only thing more depressing than that is that awful german contraption of spoon in one end, fork in another, with a hinge in the middle. A hinge that never locks properly, might I add. Second thing about "weight-saving fracture-resistant containers": Oh, with beer you simply don't do those. Maybe with cheap whiskey, though somehow I feel having whiskey on board would be against the spirit of the thing  While I'm raving, I think I know exactly what that cup in Eggers' hands is: A (reproduction of a) cup that came with Wehrmacht-canteen, another Nazi invention, a canteen that was this ergonomic lentil shape, so the cup had to awkwardly be strapped on the neck of the bottle. Anyway, having one as a coffee/tea mug has been and is a thing among certain demographics. Maybe because of the cool looks and a good handle, maybe because of Nazis.  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 27, 2016 10:16:19 GMT
I suppose another possibility is that Eggers did know George would tell Antimony what he said. He may think that the destruction of any feelings of admiration Antimony may have for her father is in her best interests and he just might have used George as a back-door way to say things that he wouldn't/couldn't say directly... I don't see what his plan is supposed to be. Parley leaks, Annie flips out at Parley (it was how many cases out of how many?)... then what? It could make the Mediums/building-jumpers less chummy, but James wouldn't want this, considering that little incident with 'Grin. Counting on Andrew's presence and abilities? But does Eggers even consider this significant? So, most likely it's exactly what it seems to be: "See that guy? He's a gigantic [COFFEEMAKER]. How about helping a little those who have to deal with him?" I don't think that Antimony would flip out at George but yeah I agree that's most likely what's going on. Just saying that there is the outside chance that James did consider that George might repeat what he was saying to Antimony. I wouldn't go so far as to call that a plan. It's very possible that James thinks that Antimony should think less of Anthony, and doesn't care if she thinks less of him in the process. Zeroeth: I don't do hiking or camping, I have a thing for military surplus and apparently some more "outdoorsy" people do too. Military surplus is durable and cheap. Not as cheap as it was before it became trendy but it's still pretty good. First: "knife into fork into large spoon", as in picture below? I had an early version of that. The big spoon was pierced to create rivet-like protuberances in an inexpensive-to-mass-produce way that you could fit through holes on the fork and spoon and then push them down and lock them into place. And doing so held them into place very securely, but bent the knife slightly in the process. [edit] But it had enough spring to spring back into true. [/edit] There was no bottle opener or can opener feature. The main selling points were that it was solid stainless (though not very thick) and the utensils were full-sized. Because I have to say I find these super handy to have even in just office setting. One of the little things I lug around almost everywhere. This and that Czech mess kit of little pot in a big pot and a lid type of construction. Only minus for not having space for that cuttlery set. Not a big minus in the office. I prefer full-sized kettles and pots but I haven't been in one office enough to merit "moving in" in a longish time. The same amount of effort that goes into making one portion of something, be it coffee or whatever, can be used to make multiples. This can earn you friends. If you mean by "hobo knife" that horrible Swiss army knife thing with fork and sppoon and knife, good lord, only thing more depressing than that is that awful german contraption of spoon in one end, fork in another, with a hinge in the middle. A hinge that never locks properly, might I add. I've never tried that hinged German version but I must agree that the hobo knife was pretty crappy in the field. Too much weight for too little eating utility. Might as well eat with a fixed blade like a real hobo. I gave up on it after only a few trials. And I am not sure what ever happened to it. Get a decent fish-filleter, notch the back of the blade with an angle grinder (at an angle) and file it a bit and you've got something that can double as a gut-hook skinner. Preferably one of the sorts that float when dropped in water. I'm not big on combining compartments or compasses on a knife like this because it puts too many eggs in one basket but those are available options. Second thing about "weight-saving fracture-resistant containers": Oh, with beer you simply don't do those. Maybe with cheap whiskey, though somehow I feel having whiskey on board would be against the spirit of the thing I suppose you could try it with home-brewed beer, that doesn't really require refrigeration to be enjoyable and isn't carbonated to any real extent. But yeah, I sometimes used grain alcohol when hiking for recreation. It's efficient mass/weight so if you're going for several days a couple pints will last. And there used to be a local brand that I could get a bottle for $12 (or once for $7 on clearance) back when I was younger. I tried whiskies a couple of times. They do flavor a canteen pretty well. Most enjoyable for date environments was irish cream and amaretto (enjoyed separately). Combine that with some decent weather, picturesque sunsets, and remote terminal moraine and you will be a happy camper.  |
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