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Post by Steam Engine on May 15, 2013 23:32:04 GMT
It is amusing to read old pages of this thread.
" - Who was Surma's psychopomp? - Muut"
"Did Ysengrin loose his arms during the war"
Reading past is weird.
By the way, did Diego know that Jeanne would die? It was not stated, as far as I remember.
And did he had a family? I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 0:59:34 GMT
By the way, did Diego know that Jeanne would die? It was not stated, as far as I remember. And did he had a family? I doubt it. It's heavily implied he knew what Jeanne's fate would be in pages 653 - 657. As for other family, I doubt we'll ever know. One would assume he had some relatives and they had nothing to do with the court. He was probably ostracized due to his incredible genius and his abnormally-large nose. Not entirely dissimilar to the Penguin, if'n ya think about it. To posit some speculation of my own, do we actually know if Jeanne's lover was directly involved with The Device and the poisoning of the Anan Waters? Perhaps the device merely gave her the illusion that her lover was there, and then trapped/transformed her spirit into the psycho rage ghost we all know and love today. |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 16, 2013 5:27:56 GMT
Then I do not understand anything.
Why a special arrow? Why not a common one?
Why did he develop a plan? Revenge? Despair? Then he started to convince himself that it wasn't his fault and succeeded?
In my head he was just going to get rid of that elf by making him a guard and later come for Jeanne, but Young "improved" his plan without him knowing. (Yes, I like Diego, and I think he created Boxbot as a moving inkwell.)
And when did Jeanne die? It is said on wikia (unfortunately, there is no Unofficial Gunnerkrigg Court Pages that can be trusted, so I had to use wikia) that she died because of "heart break" - was it heart attack? Then why does her skeleton lie not in random pose, but on his back with a sword in his hands? It looked like someone actually put her skeleton like that.
And who is Penguin?
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Post by GK Sierra on May 16, 2013 5:47:28 GMT
Then I do not understand anything. Why a special arrow? Why not a common one? Why did he develop a plan? Revenge? Despair? Then he started to convince himself that it wasn't his fault and succeeded? In my head he was just going to get rid of that elf by making him a guard and later come for Jeanne, but Young "improved" his plan without him knowing. (Yes, I like Diego, and I think he created Boxbot as a moving inkwell.) And when did Jeanne die? It is said on wikia (unfortunately, there is no Unofficial Gunnerkrigg Court Pages that can be trusted, so I had to use wikia) that she died because of "heart break" - was it heart attack? Then why does her skeleton lie not in random pose, but on his back with a sword in his hands? It looked like someone actually put her skeleton like that. And who is Penguin? The implication is that it was etherically charged somehow, and used the sacrifice to create the barrier at the Annan Waters. He helped them develop it, perhaps even suggested it, because Jeane snubbed him. If I remember correctly, Jeanne waded out into the water and the arrow bound her to the place as well. At least, that's what I got out of it. |
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Post by download on May 16, 2013 5:50:57 GMT
Generally when someone die of heartbreak they just give up and don't do anything to save themselves. She may have starved to death or died of exposure
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Post by Steam Engine on May 16, 2013 14:05:07 GMT
Then I do not understand anything. Why a special arrow? Why not a common one? Why did he develop a plan? Revenge? Despair? Then he started to convince himself that it wasn't his fault and succeeded? In my head he was just going to get rid of that elf by making him a guard and later come for Jeanne, but Young "improved" his plan without him knowing. (Yes, I like Diego, and I think he created Boxbot as a moving inkwell.) And when did Jeanne die? It is said on wikia (unfortunately, there is no Unofficial Gunnerkrigg Court Pages that can be trusted, so I had to use wikia) that she died because of "heart break" - was it heart attack? Then why does her skeleton lie not in random pose, but on his back with a sword in his hands? It looked like someone actually put her skeleton like that. And who is Penguin? The implication is that it was etherically charged somehow, and used the sacrifice to create the barrier at the Annan Waters. He helped them develop it, perhaps even suggested it, because Jeane snubbed him. If I remember correctly, Jeanne waded out into the water and the arrow bound her to the place as well. At least, that's what I got out of it. I am not the one to argue about canon (I haven't even read the whole comics), but... Who did they intend to bound? Isn't this way of action a bit too complicated? (in before: DON'T MESS WITH ETHERICAL SCIENCE MORTAL - well, in about 11 years I'll be the WARLOCK WITH POWERS BEYOND IMAGINATION, if you know what I mean) Generally when someone die of heartbreak they just give up and don't do anything to save themselves. She may have starved to death or died of exposure Thank you. I should have used Google Translate, as I'm not native speaker. Now I know what does "heartbreak" mean. P.S. I've just found out that Annan river exists IRL, awesome incredible. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 14:08:21 GMT
My understanding of it was (although this very well could be an incorrect interpretation) that The Device literally " ensnared" her etheric soul. Her body was likewise stuck and withered away, just as Renard's would without Coyote keeping it healthy. As it is a brilliant hybrid of etheric and mechanical design (much like our beloved golembots), The Device has Jeanne's spirit trapped and bound to the physical world in such a way that the Guides cannot reach her. How much of her psycho hate rage is her own and how much is the influence of The Device reminds to be seen. |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 16, 2013 14:23:40 GMT
My understanding of it was (although this very well could be an incorrect interpretation) that The Device literally " ensnared" her etheric soul. Her body was likewise stuck and withered away, just as Renard's would without Coyote keeping it healthy. As it is a brilliant hybrid of etheric and mechanical design (much like our beloved golembots), The Device has Jeanne's spirit trapped and bound to the physical world in such a way that the Guides cannot reach her. How much of her psycho hate rage is her own and how much is the influence of The Device reminds to be seen. Could you please explain what does "my heart was run through and left do die"? Does she refer to elf as "my heart"? And do you mean she was kind of hypnotized and stayed still till she died? Then why is her skeleton lying on it's back and holding a naked sword? |
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Post by Georgie L on May 16, 2013 17:24:16 GMT
My understanding of it was (although this very well could be an incorrect interpretation) that The Device literally " ensnared" her etheric soul. Her body was likewise stuck and withered away, just as Renard's would without Coyote keeping it healthy. As it is a brilliant hybrid of etheric and mechanical design (much like our beloved golembots), The Device has Jeanne's spirit trapped and bound to the physical world in such a way that the Guides cannot reach her. How much of her psycho hate rage is her own and how much is the influence of The Device reminds to be seen. Could you please explain what does "my heart was run through and left do die"? Does she refer to elf as "my heart"? And do you mean she was kind of hypnotized and stayed still till she died? Then why is her skeleton lying on it's back and holding a naked sword? She felt betrayed by her lover and the court, whether or not the lover actually knew of the plan is still in the open, but she believes he did. The arrow both literally run through her chest and figuratively broke her heart. My thoughts on that is the arrow effectively made her in a zombie like trance, forced to stay watch while alive and keeping her spirit tied there in death. |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 16, 2013 17:39:39 GMT
She felt betrayed by her lover and the court, whether or not the lover actually knew of the plan is still in the open, but she believes he did. The arrow both literally run through her chest and figuratively broke her heart. My thoughts on that is the arrow effectively made her in a zombie like trance, forced to stay watch while alive and keeping her spirit tied there in death. |
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Post by Toloc on May 16, 2013 19:18:35 GMT
I think I get Jeanne, now on reread, Muut says they do not deal in electrical appliances and that she cannot cross the river. The reason she can cross the river is because something changed there since last time Muut was there, there's now a tic-toc on the ground. She can only go to where there's technology(for some reason). Basically, what led me to this theory is when I asked myself the question 'What happens to robots when they die in GKC?', they can't go into the ether, can they? The answer is limbo. Jeanne was a robot. That's actually really intriguing in its implications - Diego created Jeanne to build a better or perfect human - Jeanne longed for nature (= forest), possibly wanted to be a "real boy" Pinocchio-style, resented her creator for creating her the way she was - Diego wasn't a spurned lover, but her creator who she rebelled against Sadly there's something lying on the river bank that makes the whole thing implode |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 16, 2013 20:20:48 GMT
I think I get Jeanne, now on reread, Muut says they do not deal in electrical appliances and that she cannot cross the river. The reason she can cross the river is because something changed there since last time Muut was there, there's now a tic-toc on the ground. She can only go to where there's technology(for some reason). Basically, what led me to this theory is when I asked myself the question 'What happens to robots when they die in GKC?', they can't go into the ether, can they? The answer is limbo. Jeanne was a robot. That's actually really intriguing in its implications - Diego created Jeanne to build a better or perfect human - Jeanne longed for nature (= forest), possibly wanted to be a "real boy" Pinocchio-style, resented her creator for creating her the way she was - Diego wasn't a spurned lover, but her creator who she rebelled against Sadly there's something lying on the river bank that makes the whole thing implode Oh, I guess that does break my theory. Unless, realistic robot skeletons! (Jk) Yeah, it was a fun theory while it lasted. |
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Post by hargharg on May 16, 2013 20:27:50 GMT
She could be a bioroid, couldn't she?
Of course, we haven't seen any other sign of Diego creating anything with living material, but who knows. This is wild speculation. : )
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Post by Steam Engine on May 16, 2013 20:33:39 GMT
She could be a bioroid, couldn't she? Of course, we haven't seen any other sign of Diego creating anything with living material, but who knows. This is wild speculation. : ) What is YOUR definition of bioroid? |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 16, 2013 21:20:02 GMT
She could be a bioroid, couldn't she? Of course, we haven't seen any other sign of Diego creating anything with living material, but who knows. This is wild speculation. : ) Reminds me of Kat trying to grow robots, related? |
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Post by csj on May 16, 2013 23:42:19 GMT
That guy will do these things with those people.
Prove me wrong.
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Post by hargharg on May 16, 2013 23:44:15 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on May 17, 2013 7:07:13 GMT
That guy will do these things with those people. Prove me wrong.  Fuck... he's good. |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 17, 2013 15:14:51 GMT
Jones is a robot. Built by aliens. Or alien. You know, that one who wears fez and bowtie. He grew tired of saving Earth and built an automatic protector. And protected everything inside very well so that no one could know how she was built and get secret alien technologies.
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Post by diantris on May 17, 2013 17:54:55 GMT
I think I get Jeanne, now on reread, Muut says they do not deal in electrical appliances and that she cannot cross the river. The reason she can cross the river is because something changed there since last time Muut was there, there's now a tic-toc on the ground. She can only go to where there's technology(for some reason). Actually, I'm pretty sure Tom said that Muut was wrong because he didn't know that she was the reason stuff can't cross the river... Uh.. I actually thought she CAN'T cross the river. Not in the semi-physical world. If you could imagine a ghost having its own ghost representation in the etheric plane, I imagined so far that THIS is what happened. Annie wasn't hurt when Kat found her, but she seemed to have been sleeping..? But she bears the scar in the etheric plane. So the visible ghost doesn't move, but the ghost's ghost does. Does that make sense?  She felt betrayed by her lover and the court, whether or not the lover actually knew of the plan is still in the open, but she believes he did. The arrow both literally run through her chest and figuratively broke her heart. My thoughts on that is the arrow effectively made her in a zombie like trance, forced to stay watch while alive and keeping her spirit tied there in death. Wha..? How so? Did I miss something? D: I've never seen anything pointing to the green guy knowing what will happen. And I was pretty sure he was shot and the fact 'killed' Jeanne... |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 19:05:02 GMT
Wha..? How so? Did I miss something? D: I've never seen anything pointing to the green guy knowing what will happen. And I was pretty sure he was shot and the fact 'killed' Jeanne... You did not miss anything; this is all just speculation. I've seen nothing hinting at the possibility that Jeanne's Lover was involved with the plan to fortify the Annan Waters using The Device nor do I believe he actually was, but I understand the theory. |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 17, 2013 19:30:40 GMT
Wha..? How so? Did I miss something? D: I've never seen anything pointing to the green guy knowing what will happen. And I was pretty sure he was shot and the fact 'killed' Jeanne... You did not miss anything; this is all just speculation. I've seen nothing hinting at the possibility that Jeanne's Lover was involved with the plan to fortify the Annan Waters using The Device nor do I believe he actually was, but I understand the theory.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 21:28:59 GMT
Oops.  My bad. Meter's acting screwy again. |
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Post by Nnelg on May 17, 2013 23:25:03 GMT
Uh.. I actually thought she CAN'T cross the river. Not in the semi-physical world. If you could imagine a ghost having its own ghost representation in the etheric plane, I imagined so far that THIS is what happened. Annie wasn't hurt when Kat found her, but she seemed to have been sleeping..? But she bears the scar in the etheric plane. So the visible ghost doesn't move, but the ghost's ghost does. Does that make sense? No. You need only look at Zimmy to see that the border between "real" and "ethereal" isn't very clear at all. Jeanne exists somewhere in-between the two, as she's dead but stuck. We don't know the rules for how that works, if there even are any rules... |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 18, 2013 20:16:47 GMT
That's actually really intriguing in its implications - Diego created Jeanne to build a better or perfect human - Jeanne longed for nature (= forest), possibly wanted to be a "real boy" Pinocchio-style, resented her creator for creating her the way she was - Diego wasn't a spurned lover, but her creator who she rebelled against Sadly there's something lying on the river bank that makes the whole thing implode Oh, I guess that does break my theory. Unless, realistic robot skeletons! (Jk) Yeah, it was a fun theory while it lasted. She could be a bioroid, couldn't she? Of course, we haven't seen any other sign of Diego creating anything with living material, but who knows. This is wild speculation. : ) That blueprint. What if. Uh. Yup, rereading is good for your health, it's led me to many crazy theories. |
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Post by Nnelg on May 19, 2013 2:35:33 GMT
Thinking the other day about Brinnie led me to this: The Ring of the Nibelung is the Seed Bismuth. I almost immediately rejected the idea, but I thought I might as well post it here anyways.  |
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Post by Steam Engine on May 19, 2013 8:42:21 GMT
Thinking the other day about Brinnie led me to this: The Ring of the Nibelung is the Seed Bismuth. I almost immediately rejected the idea, but I thought I might as well post it here anyways. But TicTocs are most likely Seeds Bismuth. Or they contain them. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 19, 2013 10:11:02 GMT
Thinking the other day about Brinnie led me to this: The Ring of the Nibelung is the Seed Bismuth. I almost immediately rejected the idea, but I thought I might as well post it here anyways. Yeah, I don't think that Tom would include something from an opera. Just pure mythology. But Wagner is pretty rad though. |
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Post by Lightice on May 19, 2013 10:47:07 GMT
Yeah, I don't think that Tom would include something from an opera. Just pure mythology. But Wagner is pretty rad though. The Ring of Nibelung is a combination of Scandinavian sagas, adapted into an opera. According to Wikipedia its plot originates from Edda, Völsungasaga and the Medieval poem Nibelungenlied. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 19, 2013 13:28:58 GMT
Yeah, I don't think that Tom would include something from an opera. Just pure mythology. But Wagner is pretty rad though. The Ring of Nibelung is a combination of Scandinavian sagas, adapted into an opera. According to Wikipedia its plot originates from Edda, Völsungasaga and the Medieval poem Nibelungenlied. It's loiosely based on the original sagas and the poem, but the ring is Wagner's own idea. At least I can't find a ring like that outisde of the opera. |
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