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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 0:00:35 GMT
Left to the reader's interpretation, I'm sure.
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 4, 2013 0:30:51 GMT
wait, i was just rereading the last few pages do parley and smithy smell the same because they just consummated their relationship? O.o even coyote states they smell like they are married or is it something more safe than that... Its not explicitly stated because that kind of content must fly below the radar if Tom wishes to continue to market to young children. Personally I think Smitty hit that like the fist of an angry god, but hey, who knows. Maybe they were just practicing for a grecco-roman wrestling match later in the month. |
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 4, 2013 4:38:07 GMT
Left to the reader's interpretation, I'm sure. I don't think there's much room for "interpretation" on this one.  (I wish the world had more subtle stuff like this, rather than explicit stuff. They're both equal in terms of plot, but the former shows the author is mature and responsible, not mearly some hack looking for cheap ratings.) |
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Post by warrl on Mar 4, 2013 5:18:29 GMT
I think the most reasonable explanation for the chicken in the chicken/egg problem is that there was at one point another creature who could have laid a chicken egg. If the question is about generic eggs, then the egg came first - many millions of years before the first bird of any sort. But if it's about chicken eggs specifically, the chicken came first. Why? We don't hesitate to call the eggs we buy from the grocery chicken eggs. The large majority of them come from factory farms, laid by hens who have never even seen a rooster. These eggs would never, under any circumstances, hatch into any avian creature at all. So the designation "chicken eggs" must be based on what sort of creature laid them, not what sort of creature is going to hatch from them. The very first chicken hatched from an egg that was laid by some non-chicken* bird, so that egg was not a chicken egg. * We don't need to determine exactly where the arbitrary line between almost-but-not-quite-a-chicken and really-just-barely-a-chicken should be drawn. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 4, 2013 5:21:55 GMT
I tend to agree because Tony was legitimately torn up over his wife's death. I don't think any sane guy would conceive with a woman he knew from the start would die because of it. He didn't see it coming. My theory was a little out there. But I don't see how Tony couldn't be aware of the fact that Surma would die. Everything we've heard from people who knew Surma seems to imply they knew she would die if she conceived a child. Perhaps he truly believed he could find a "cure" in time. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 4, 2013 5:54:19 GMT
We don't need to determine exactly where the arbitrary line between almost-but-not-quite-a-chicken and really-just-barely-a-chicken should be drawn. If that opinion were widely held, a great number of people who's jobs involve noticing tiny differences and classifying organisms so as to draw those narrow lines (and making all sorts of distinctions without differences) would be unemployed. ;D But there are more possibilities, like a genetically-chicken fowl who's phenotype isn't chicken-like for many many generations, or a freak fowl with all the traits of a chicken but not yet with all the right genes. Either of those could've laid some eggs. ;D And for people not familiar with the fascinating history of the chicken/egg problem, Wiki is there for you. |
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Post by karampurwala on Mar 9, 2013 19:02:23 GMT
Here's my theory. Kat is the main villain, but she is really good at hiding it.  Or maybe Tony accidentally killed someone and is on the run, which is why he can't contact Annie |
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 9, 2013 19:10:52 GMT
Here's my theory. Kat is the main villain, but she is really good at hiding it. Please let this be true. Gunnerkrigg Court needs more Dark Science (tm). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 14:37:21 GMT
"Kat! Boxbot has gone haywire and is trying to save the world! The whole school is in danger!"
"Annie, I'm sorry...in trying to create a modular body for Robot, I...I created Boxbot."
"Nooooooooooooo!"
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 11, 2013 20:10:20 GMT
New wild speculation: The hand in the Fifth Treatise belongs to a boy whom we don't know yet, and he's the one that sent the love letter. Kat will initially spurn his advances, but after several long plot arcs Kat will eventually give him the blinker stone (which Annie won't need by that point). Oh, and in the intervening period Robot will get jealous, and possibly even threaten this boy. And there may be some trouble with the android Kat's growing, which I think is what the Ophanim in the Treatise represents. |
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Post by Lightice on Mar 11, 2013 20:25:48 GMT
The hand in the Fifth Treatise belongs to a boy whom we don't know yet, and he's the one that sent the love letter. Besides the hand belonging to Kat, herself, why would Kat's potential love-interest be holding Annie's hand? |
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 11, 2013 20:27:42 GMT
Wild er speculation: That thing which Zimmy saw is what's currently growing in Kat's vat, and which will eventually go back in time to create the Tic-Tocs. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 20:52:14 GMT
Shipp Wild Speculation:
That ambiguous hand belongs to Jack, who sent the letter half out of curiosity about Kat, and half to try and meet a gal he'd have a better chance with than Zimmy.
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 12, 2013 1:37:08 GMT
Shipp Wild Speculation: That ambiguous hand belongs to Jack, who sent the letter half out of curiosity about Kat, and half to try and meet a gal he'd have a better chance with than Zimmy. Kat and Jack would make a killer research team. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 12, 2013 5:56:57 GMT
The hand in the Fifth Treatise belongs to a boy whom we don't know yet, and he's the one that sent the love letter. Besides the hand belonging to Kat, herself, why would Kat's potential love-interest be holding Annie's hand? Take a good look at that picture and put your arm in that position. Can't be done unless you have a discontinuity in your arm. Either Tom made a bit of a drawing error, or it isn't Kat's arm, or there's a pair of wormhole mouths conveniently positioned... |
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 12, 2013 6:16:29 GMT
Take a good look at that picture and put your arm in that position. Can't be done unless you have a discontinuity in your arm. Either Tom made a bit of a drawing error, or it isn't Kat's arm, or there's a pair of wormhole mouths conveniently positioned... Tom confirmed on twitter that it's Kat's hand, so it's the first of these. Err, the last I mean. Yes. Kat's been talking science with the visitors from Aperture Labs, that's all. |
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Post by tpman on Mar 17, 2013 4:59:46 GMT
Okay, I suspect that this has been said before but I think Zimmy can see into the future. Well, I think that the world she sees is a twisted reflection of our world that contains elements of the past present and future. In either case, Zimmy has seen visions of the future.
My two examples would be roboKat and that one time she saw a Rogat Orjak in Zimmingham.
It still leaves the symbolic vs literal aspect of the visions up in the air though...
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Post by download on Mar 26, 2013 16:19:30 GMT
Some things that seemed to have dawned on me recently: Anja's computer - I don't think many people have given it a second though, particularly as to where it's hidden. My suspicion is that Kat is the computer or that she is at least a component of it. It's a bit nuts but to me it explains the robots love of her. Just re-reading the chapter where the computer is explain, Kats parents are holding hands as they look at the strange mystical stuff, that sorta makes me think more highly of this (http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=520) Annie's makeup - I suspect this has be driven to Hell but oh well. It's some sort of protection. Nearly every time Annie is hurt she doesn't appear to be wearing it Who Rey killed - Another one driven to Hell and back. The character is clearly important, and I think they have already been introduced. I actually think they are still alive and are the only case of someone surviving Rey's possession. I'm inclined to think it's Eglamore, as he was the dragons good friend and thus did something/sacrificed himself to save Eggers. At this stage I have no clue how. I suspect this had something to do with Surma falling for Anthony, maybe she was required to give up her love for him or something, maybe something to do with Coyote. I am inclined to think Coyote purposely gives his power away with a flaw because he is a trickster, he may have exempted it once... Kat's cool etheric armour - I like Geekette's theory[/quote], that Kat is becoming a psychopomp for robots. It ties in with etheric beings being created by the human mind. She wants them to have an afterlife, so she creates it (it does because she wills it too...) The Headmaster believes that everyone else in the Court looks upon him as decayed and doddering, and is not pleased. To show them that he is still in charge, he deliberately chose Smith over Annie, aware that Jones and the others believed the position of medium should go to Annie, simply to show that he was the one giving orders, and not some figurehead or mouthpiece for them. I do like that. I would also like to add that I think he despises Coyote and the forest so he may have done it out of spite for Annie's love of it. Also, it's pretty obvious what Parley and Smitty were up to, it really doesn't need to be speculated on |
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 27, 2013 3:47:29 GMT
So that would imply that machines do indeed have souls that pass into the ether...
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Post by download on Mar 27, 2013 3:50:43 GMT
So that would imply that machines do indeed have souls that pass into the ether... Souls are etheric. If Kat wills them to have them, they get them |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 27, 2013 7:28:34 GMT
So that would imply that machines do indeed have souls that pass into the ether... Souls are etheric. If Kat wills them to have them, they get them Maybe it's more like how Antimony named Red accidentally. She believed she knew Red's name so Red had one. Possibly if people act like the robots have souls this story gets carried into the ether, forms a vacuum-ish effect, and draws ether into the robots to make real souls. (shrug) |
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 27, 2013 8:57:46 GMT
So that would imply that machines do indeed have souls that pass into the ether... Souls are etheric. If Kat wills them to have them, they get them You've got to establish some cause and effect though. They need to have souls first for them to die, pass into the ether and grant her psychopomp status. If Kat can give them souls, she's already a god. |
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Post by download on Mar 27, 2013 9:39:29 GMT
Souls are etheric. If Kat wills them to have them, they get them You've got to establish some cause and effect though. They need to have souls first for them to die, pass into the ether and grant her psychopomp status. If Kat can give them souls, she's already a god. Souls are etheric Etheric things are created by the human mind wanting them to exist (Like Coyote, Ys, Rey, psychopomps etc) Therefore anyone could create them. It's just that Kat has more empathy for them than anyone else so she just happens to be the one that creates them |
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Post by tpman on Mar 27, 2013 16:24:07 GMT
Can mere belief influence the ether? Or does somebody actually have to die? Just what sort of crazy roboviolence is transpiring behind the scenes?
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Post by Corvo on Mar 27, 2013 17:40:38 GMT
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 27, 2013 19:15:55 GMT
You've got to establish some cause and effect though. Well if "retroactive creation" is true, things like cause and effect might as well be thrown out the window.  |
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 27, 2013 20:01:09 GMT
You've got to establish some cause and effect though. They need to have souls first for them to die, pass into the ether and grant her psychopomp status. If Kat can give them souls, she's already a god. Etheric things are created by the human mind wanting them to exist (Like Coyote, Ys, Rey, psychopomps etc) So they don't have to die to make ripples? Huh. I guess I should go back and read the Word of Tom page more carefully. You've got to establish some cause and effect though.  |
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Post by Per on Mar 27, 2013 20:57:27 GMT
When following this thread it can be therapeutic to reread the thread title every once in a while.
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Post by download on Apr 2, 2013 13:44:50 GMT
Another theory.
Why is Eggers so hostile to Antimony?
Before the bridge incident he seemed rather nice to her. He praised her for her show of bravery etcm almost like he was trying to be somewhat of a father figure. But after the bridge incident and Coyote visiting the court for the first time he's been very bitter towards her.
So my theory is this:
By calling Annie Surma by mistake and Coyotes comments about thinking Eggers was Annie's father, it pretty much been revealed to Annie that Eggers "failed" to woo Surma and that he "lost" to Anthony, a person he disliked somewhat. Then Renard took the father figure role, pushing Eggers out of the picture entirely. Basically he's embarrassed by the whole thing and takes it out on Annie to some degree.
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Post by GK Sierra on Apr 2, 2013 16:24:25 GMT
Sounds fairly accurate.
Kind of douchey of him to carry that over to her daughter a la Severus Snape.
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