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Post by KMar on Mar 4, 2016 12:03:43 GMT
Was it Janet who got her Dad to bring Carver back and keep Annie down a year and out of the way, then? Like Annie, I think this might be all too much information. ... very good. I think I like the way you think. |
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 4, 2016 12:54:42 GMT
Annie should go back to the group and just say "here's your ball Kat, is it my turn to bowl?" I like to think that is what will happen. Annie's like "well that's a thing" and calmly retrieves a ball for an inexplicably giddy Kat. Quick! Where's that gif of Homer quietly backing into some bushes?
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Post by arf on Mar 4, 2016 13:01:19 GMT
Where's the action noise for 'continued kissing and also smooching' gone to this time around? Damn it, Tom, you're not on your A-game right now! Just imagine the background sound of balls trundling down lanes... ...like this, of course! |
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Post by Trillium on Mar 4, 2016 13:11:47 GMT
This is the sort of behavior that can put a person off relationships. Seriously, they are both big dummies.
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Post by haspen on Mar 4, 2016 13:16:42 GMT
Been reading "The Owl Service" recently? Never heard of it. |
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Post by fwip on Mar 4, 2016 14:33:56 GMT
Where's the action noise for 'continued kissing and also smooching' gone to this time around? Damn it, Tom, you're not on your A-game right now! Just imagine the background sound of balls trundling down lanes... ...like this, of course!What's the backup plan for if that thing goes sentient? |
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Post by deram on Mar 4, 2016 14:48:05 GMT
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Post by jda on Mar 4, 2016 14:48:27 GMT
Annie approaches and: "So... William, I'd want to...?"
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Post by jda on Mar 4, 2016 14:56:27 GMT
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Post by ih8pkmn on Mar 4, 2016 14:58:51 GMT
"Hey, you got your anticlimax in my melodrama!"
"You got your melodrama in my anticlimax!"
"Two underwhelming tastes that are worse together!"
Is it just me, or has the writing in GC gotten worse since Tony came back? It almost seems like the comic is focused on torturing Annie as much as it can and forcing her to be Woobie-ish as opposed to telling a strong story. It doesn't help that the art in this chapter is cringe-worthy, at least on William. I can't look at him without thinking that he looks like a clone of Willy that walked in from the wrong comic.
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Post by arkadi on Mar 4, 2016 15:05:35 GMT
Argh.
Forgive me for sticking a Homestuck reference where it clearly doesn't belong, but
THIS IS STUPID.
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Post by darlos9d on Mar 4, 2016 15:54:47 GMT
"Hey, you got your anticlimax in my melodrama!" "You got your melodrama in my anticlimax!" "Two underwhelming tastes that are worse together!" Is it just me, or has the writing in GC gotten worse since Tony came back? It almost seems like the comic is focused on torturing Annie as much as it can and forcing her to be Woobie-ish as opposed to telling a strong story. It doesn't help that the art in this chapter is cringe-worthy, at least on William. I can't look at him without thinking that he looks like a clone of Willy that walked in from the wrong comic. I'm sure there are plenty that will disagree, but for me his "complete and utter goofy hijinks" writing has never been terribly stellar, which might be more the problem here. When almost an entire chapter revolves around it, it tends to wind up mediocre. Before anyone jumps on me for being utterly humorless, I've laughed plenty of times at his little one-shot jokes. Usually those one page post-chapter things. ("It's not MY blood!") Also probably some quick instances of humor in the middle of actual chapters that I'm not remembering. Its just that his "big humor episodes" always kinda fall flat to me. I don't feel like Annie is really getting "tortured" here. Just a little confused and weirded out maybe. Again, I just hope this actually goes somewhere tangible. |
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Post by smurfton on Mar 4, 2016 16:00:33 GMT
Asexual aromantic Annie is my second favourite Antimony Carver headcanon. Pages like this give me hope that it could be canon one day. What is your most favorite, if you don't mind my asking? |
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Post by keef on Mar 4, 2016 16:02:08 GMT
 I know them feels. I know them well. Poor kid. You're not alone.  I'm sure there are plenty that will disagree, but for me his "complete and utter goofy hijinks" writing has never been terribly stellar, which might be more the problem here. When almost an entire chapter revolves around it, it tends to wind up mediocre. Before anyone jumps on me for being utterly humorless, I've laughed plenty of times at his little one-shot jokes. Usually those one page post-chapter things. ("It's not MY blood!") Also probably some quick instances of humor in the middle of actual chapters that I'm not remembering. These chapters are usually funnier on reread. And knowing Tom, there is a possibility of serious developments only a few pages from now. None of the chapters is "humour only". |
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Post by Cori on Mar 4, 2016 16:24:58 GMT
Was it Janet who got her Dad to bring Carver back and keep Annie down a year and out of the way, then? Like Annie, I think this might be all too much information. No, the court wanted to kick Annie out of the program altogether. They also wanted Tony back because he is part of another project in the works. TONY bargained for Annie to be held back a year to make up her failed classes instead of being outright expelled. Why in the world would Janet arrange for Annie to be held back? And how? The headmaster might dote on his daughter but I don't think he would let her order him to do EVERYTHING. Besides, that would mean outing her relationship with Winsbury. |
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Post by autumnrook on Mar 4, 2016 17:35:45 GMT
I agree with a lot of you saying this fell flat, because I'd like to see Annie actually have to deal with a romantic situation, even if she does so very badly.
So far she's had to deal with Mort, who wasn't actually in love with her, Jack, who wasn't actually in love with her, Kamlen, who wasn't actually in love with her, and ALMOST Winsbury, who wasn't actually in love with her. Have I forgotten anyone?
I'd like to see actual romantic emotions/entanglements dealt with.
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 4, 2016 17:36:52 GMT
Oh, Janet, you digital dummy!
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 4, 2016 18:10:10 GMT
No, the court wanted to kick Annie out of the program altogether. They also wanted Tony back because he is part of another project in the works. TONY bargained for Annie to be held back a year to make up her failed classes instead of being outright expelled. And from where this version comes? Why in the world would Janet arrange for Annie to be held back? Who knows? The same way we may ask "Why in the world would anyone arrange for William to try and hook up with Annie?" It depends on how those who did this perceive Annie and the situation around her. In other words, particular guesswork and misconceptions we cannot accurately predict - it's a safe bet that no one see even half as much as we do, and the whole mess with haircut still was a surprise. Or she could even think return of Anthony would do Annie a favour and distract at the same time - the effect would be exactly the same. And how? The headmaster might dote on his daughter but I don't think he would let her order him to do EVERYTHING. Yes, but she may suggest as a "good idea". Especially if he ever mentioned certain Mediums going wild in earshot. Besides, that would mean outing her relationship with Winsbury. Er... how so? |
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Post by autumnrook on Mar 4, 2016 19:03:47 GMT
No, the court wanted to kick Annie out of the program altogether. They also wanted Tony back because he is part of another project in the works. TONY bargained for Annie to be held back a year to make up her failed classes instead of being outright expelled. And from where this version comes? That's covered by Tony himself, here. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Mar 4, 2016 19:21:25 GMT
Uhhhhh.... Does this seem staged to anyone else? Or is it just me? If you look back at these two's interactions in past comics, they've always been like this. Part of the reason why no one believed them when they said they were dating back in Faraway Morning. Well, sure, they have been melodramatic in private, because that was their only opportunity to be together. And they have been melodramatic in public so that they could, more or less, hide in plain sight. But this little scene...it looks a lot different. My question on it being "staged" is, are they doing this in front of Annie for a reason? Something is up, I tell you! I call shenanigans! |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 4, 2016 20:32:30 GMT
Is it just me, or has the writing in GC gotten worse since Tony came back? It almost seems like the comic is focused on torturing Annie as much as it can and forcing her to be Woobie-ish as opposed to telling a strong story. Damn it, Tom, you're not on your A-game right now! Honestly, I somewhat agree - the angst is getting tiring. When Tony came back, the storyline almost entirely ground to a halt, and we got to watch Annie get emotionally pummeled for several months (March 16 - June 26). After that, we watched Anthony break down for another two months (July 3 - September 4). Coyote's triumphant return helped speed things up again (both in comic and on the forum), and in fact that chapter was one of my favorites, but it still didn't advance the plot very much. Chapter 55 was a wonderful surprise (still laughing about that), but instead of Annie coming to terms with her father, the same unstable emotional state was maintained, and they didn't talk through any of their problems. In Chapter 56, we got to see what was going on with some other characters ( finally!) but again the plot didn't advance. Upon seeing the title of this chapter - Get It Together - I hoped the stagnancy of the plot would end, and I'm still hopeful. My problem with the recent writing can be summed up thusly: before recent chapters, the characters' angst was interspersed with things happening. For example, see Chapter 31 - Annie has a breakdown, runs away, and we learn revelations about her heritage and her mother's relationship with Renard. But for the last year or so, Annie's been moping and everyone's been trying to comfort her and...that's about it, honestly. The plot:angst ratio has become too low, so to speak. Now don't get me wrong: as boring as it may be to watch, Annie's pseudo-depression makes total sense given her character! Tom has written her well, and throughout the whole comic we've seen that she is emotionally fragile (despite her fiery tendency to lash out), and that her father has always been her emotional weakness. Furthermore, in real life people don't heal from parental abuse very quickly, and in in-comic time, it's only been a few months at most since Tony showed up. But from the perspective of readers, it's getting a bit boring  |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 4, 2016 20:40:27 GMT
And from where this version comes? That's covered by Tony himself, here. Exactly: it comes from that guy whose hubris is just shy of the point where he'd pull his hairs out crying that winter days being too short is all his fault. Who in turn accepted this information apparently without doubt from the words of Headmaster Llanwellyn - whom he expected to spy on him, and who later literally threw Tony to the dogs to cover his own part in that very affair. Now that we all facepalmed again, does this context in some way sound as "a reliable source"? |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Mar 4, 2016 21:00:52 GMT
pretty sure this is how it went down.
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William wants to go public with his and Janet's relationship
wants to be official boyfriend and girlfriend
Janet is embarrassed of letting others know
they have a disagreement, Janet decides to be passive aggressive
and breaks up with William.
William now missing Janet, hatches a plan and gets friends to help.
plans a bowling group date, and gets Kat to spill the beans he's going to ask Annie out
whispered word bubbles have dashed outlines,
when Kat told Renard, William was going to ask Annie to be his Girlfriend
she was speaking in a normal voice, Guaranteed so Janet would hear her.
notice Both Janet and Renard glare at William when he tries to teach Annie how to bowl
Janet definitely knows William "intends" to ask Annie out.
The entire set up was to make Janet jealous enough
to get her to admit she was wrong
and that she wants to officially be with William.
And it seems like the plan worked.
and left a very confused Annie,
wondering about what just happened.
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At least that's my theory.
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Post by Gotolei on Mar 4, 2016 21:23:07 GMT
Is it just me, or has the writing in GC gotten worse since Tony came back? It almost seems like the comic is focused on torturing Annie as much as it can and forcing her to be Woobie-ish as opposed to telling a strong story. Damn it, Tom, you're not on your A-game right now! Honestly, I somewhat agree - the angst is getting tiring. When Tony came back, the storyline almost entirely ground to a halt, and we got to watch Annie get emotionally pummeled for several months (March 16 - June 26). After that, we watched Anthony break down for another two months (July 3 - September 4). Coyote's triumphant return helped speed things up again (both in comic and on the forum), and in fact that chapter was one of my favorites, but it still didn't advance the plot very much. Chapter 55 was a wonderful surprise (still laughing about that), but instead of Annie coming to terms with her father, the same unstable emotional state was maintained, and they didn't talk through any of their problems. In Chapter 56, we got to see what was going on with some other characters ( finally!) but again the plot didn't advance. Upon seeing the title of this chapter - Get It Together - I hoped the stagnancy of the plot would end, and I'm still hopeful. My problem with the recent writing can be summed up thusly: before recent chapters, the characters' angst was interspersed with things happening. For example, see Chapter 31 - Annie has a breakdown, runs away, and we learn revelations about her heritage and her mother's relationship with Renard. But for the last year or so, Annie's been moping and everyone's been trying to comfort her and...that's about it, honestly. The plot:angst ratio has become too low, so to speak. Now don't get me wrong: as boring as it may be to watch, Annie's pseudo-depression makes total sense given her character! Tom has written her well, and throughout the whole comic we've seen that she is emotionally fragile (despite her fiery tendency to lash out), and that her father has always been her emotional weakness. Furthermore, in real life people don't heal from parental abuse very quickly, and in in-comic time, it's only been a few months at most since Tony showed up. But from the perspective of readers, it's getting a bit boring It seems at this point that intangible emotional development and things simmering down until they're not too hot and fresh to be dealt with is the plot, at least for the time being. They already tried the blunt intervention sort of thing, and that lasted for about ten minutes (granted Kat was the fiery one at that table instead of Annie). And while it's wearing a little thin on me too, one could argue that there's a hell of a lot of stuff happening - Renard's going and returning, Annie's splitting and unsplitting, finally learning where Anthony's been all this time, Coyote's own blunt intervention, the blinker stone being popped, rabbit visitation, and now what's almost describable as Faraway Morning II. There's things happening, just not much along the line of visible progress (that we can see) until the first ~ten pages of this chapter. But with Annie and Renard in the same room again, things may or may not be picking up? Most likely we're not going to be through with this arc until a daddy-daughter dinner night goes smoothly anyway, which would be another three-month chapter in and of itself. E: possibly worth noting that The Tree kicked off 13 Mar 2015. We're coming up on one year of this now. Whatever "this" is. |
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Post by autumnrook on Mar 4, 2016 21:50:27 GMT
That's covered by Tony himself, here. Exactly: it comes from that guy whose hubris is just shy of the point where he'd pull his hairs out crying that winter days being too short is all his fault. Who in turn accepted this information apparently without doubt from the words of Headmaster Llanwellyn - whom he expected to spy on him, and who later literally threw Tony to the dogs to cover his own part in that very affair. Now that we all facepalmed again, does this context in some way sound as "a reliable source"? So you're saying that Janet, for reasons completely unknown and uncovered by any of the source material, took a dislike to Annie, asked her father to kick Annie out because she and Winsbury were fighting about something unknown. Llanwellyn, a full grown adult who should have some perspective, then said, "sure, why not? I'm easily moved by my daughter's silly adolescent dislike of another student. I'll go ahead and kick her out or hold her back a year. No, wait. I'll just make up some other excuse for doing this, and then blackmail Tony with it to make him come back. " This is somehow more plausible than all the clear reasons provided in the source material for Llanwellyn to say, "That young Annie has caused a lot of trouble in the court, is cheating in all of her classes, and shows a complete disregard for the rules. She should be kicked out. Perhaps I may even be able to use this as leverage against her father." |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 4, 2016 22:17:52 GMT
pretty sure this is how it went down. William wants to go public with his and Janet's relationship wants to be official boyfriend and girlfriend Janet is embarrassed of letting others know That's soap opera grade, not High! Drama! grade.  If they tired of the joke, they tired of it long ago. IMHO any good theory on this relationship should consider the invisible presence of Llanwellyn Senior as a part of background. Given that they mentioned him as an obstacle in the Story Of Tricked-Out Horse and even unrelated people (like Bud) predict he would flip out, he most likely is the only serious reason to bother with hiding. |
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Post by matoyak on Mar 4, 2016 22:27:31 GMT
What's the backup plan for if that thing goes sentient? There is no backup plan. Humanity is sentenced to being dance machines. I'd like to see actual romantic emotions/entanglements dealt with. I'd like to see it eventually as well (be it Annie actually wanting a relationship, accepting one, or rejecting one. Be it a reveal of her as falling on the Grey spectrum, or being into swinging, or hetero, or what have you). However now is not the time to really explore that aspect of her character. A romantic relationship at the moment would be a bad thing for all parties involved. But this little scene...it looks a lot different. My question on it being "staged" is, are they doing this in front of Annie for a reason? Something is up, I tell you! I call shenanigans! How does it look different? It's just them finally breaking down and going semi-public with it, is all it looks like to me. I mean, shenanigans could be a Thing, but eh. Just doesn't feel like such. pretty sure this is how it went down. ------------ The entire set up was to make Janet jealous enough to get her to admit she was wrong and that she wants to officially be with William. And it seems like the plan worked. and left a very confused Annie, wondering about what just happened. ------------- At least that's my theory. That'd be a real dick move on William's part. I really REALLY hope that's not the case. |
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Post by CarbonRabbit on Mar 4, 2016 22:30:45 GMT
Exactly: it comes from that guy whose hubris is just shy of the point where he'd pull his hairs out crying that winter days being too short is all his fault. Who in turn accepted this information apparently without doubt from the words of Headmaster Llanwellyn - whom he expected to spy on him, and who later literally threw Tony to the dogs to cover his own part in that very affair. Now that we all facepalmed again, does this context in some way sound as "a reliable source"? So you're saying that Janet, for reasons completely unknown and uncovered by any of the source material, took a dislike to Annie, asked her father to kick Annie out because she and Winsbury were fighting about something unknown. Llanwellyn, a full grown adult who should have some perspective, then said, "sure, why not? I'm easily moved by my daughter's silly adolescent dislike of another student. I'll go ahead and kick her out or hold her back a year. No, wait. I'll just make up some other excuse for doing this, and then blackmail Tony with it to make him come back. " This is somehow more plausible than all the clear reasons provided in the source material for Llanwellyn to say, "That young Annie has caused a lot of trouble in the court, is cheating in all of her classes, and shows a complete disregard for the rules. She should be kicked out. Perhaps I may even be able to use this as leverage against her father." I agree with this. And I'll also add these images of Janet here, and here, to show that she in no way has a look that constitutes a hidden happiness or glee or satisfaction about Annie's pain/humiliation, aaaaand here, to show that she has a genuinely happy smile to see her. |
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Post by Miri on Mar 4, 2016 23:10:37 GMT
Who on earth thought this was a good idea? Kids at this age are dumb, sure, but Kat, I expected better of you.
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Post by Darkfeather21 on Mar 5, 2016 0:25:51 GMT
Uhhhhh.... Does this seem staged to anyone else? Or is it just me? If it were any other two characters in any other story (unless it were the titular Romeo and Juliet), I'd agree. Will and Janet though truly are this...over-the-top. Not to say it isn't staged. Could be. But if any characters were going to behave this way naturally, it's these two. This makes me think their original story wasn't made-up either. |
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