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Post by todd on Apr 16, 2015 12:48:59 GMT
The odd thing is we only get to see the headmaster as an authority, and even Coyote has to make do with that leathery bag of bones (a sign the court does not take the forest seriously). "Does not always take the forest seriously" might be more accurate. The Court's shown fear of it from time to time - fear enough to murder Jeanne to turn her into a guardian and later to lie to Renard so that they could trap him. I doubt the Court would have embarked on either of these acts if it didn't see the forest as a threat. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Apr 16, 2015 23:10:27 GMT
Actually, even though I had previously said the opposite, and I'm quite sad to report this, I just reviewed the WoT and Tom has nixed us both: So Anthony could study Rey jumping if he gained control of the teddy, and control him still when he's in a new body. The mind shivers at the horrifying possibilities. However, according to other WoTs, if that object is stolen, the contract is broken altogether and Rey goes free. So if Kat or Annie wanted to free Rey later*, they could steal whatever Tony has moved him to and he would then be released. *that is assuming, of course, that the characters know as much about the rules of Rey's ownership as we the readers do. If Anthony does experiment with Rey and mice, then maybe Action Paz will save Rey, the mice, and the day! I know I am over thinking Anthony's intentions, but more Action Paz would be fun. |
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Post by keef on Apr 16, 2015 23:10:31 GMT
From: Cool thingsAnd now all I'm thinking about is how cool it would be to meet other elemental kids, especially ones of differing elements than Annie's. That would be really cool. That is a great speculation. The four elements are important in alchemy, alchemy is one of the basics of GC. She is going to meet this really down to earth guy/girl. Or what if that already happened a generation ago. Anthony the earth elemental.
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Post by Chancellor on Apr 17, 2015 1:38:49 GMT
From: Cool thingsAnd now all I'm thinking about is how cool it would be to meet other elemental kids, especially ones of differing elements than Annie's. That would be really cool. That is a great speculation. The four elements are important in alchemy, alchemy is one of the basics of GC. She is going to meet this really down to earth guy/girl. Or what if that already happened a generation ago. Anthony the earth elemental. What a twist! |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 17, 2015 4:48:49 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Apr 17, 2015 6:52:34 GMT
From: Cool thingsAnd now all I'm thinking about is how cool it would be to meet other elemental kids, especially ones of differing elements than Annie's. That would be really cool. That is a great speculation. The four elements are important in alchemy, alchemy is one of the basics of GC. She is going to meet this really down to earth guy/girl. Or what if that already happened a generation ago. Anthony the earth elemental. Jones. But good question, now searching my memory as to who who the air and water elementals could be. |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 17, 2015 8:20:08 GMT
From: Cool thingsThat is a great speculation. The four elements are important in alchemy, alchemy is one of the basics of GC. She is going to meet this really down to earth guy/girl. Or what if that already happened a generation ago. Anthony the earth elemental. Jones. But good question, now searching my memory as to who who the air and water elementals could be. |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 17, 2015 18:15:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure that there is some very sinister form of control that Anthony is exerting over Antimony, as I said before. She has no free will at the moment and is simply acting as an automaton under his direction. I'm actually starting to worry just a little bit that mind control may be a factor here. I mean, I didn't expect her to have snapped out of it and decided to tell her dad to go to hell about getting control over Reynardine just yet, but I kind of expected her to be more unhappy about everything that's happened. More upset. She seems pretty robotic here. (I completely acknowledge this could be just because she's been so blindsided though.) And...all the times we've seen Surma after she hooked up with Anthony...was she ever wearing her make up? Granted she was in the hospital, but Tony could've brought her make up from home the way Kat brought Annie her make up after she passed out in Divine. And when she was with Eglamore she was in school...and she was wearing her make up. Bear in mind this is just me thinking out loud, but even just considering what I'm considering is giving me a spooky feeling. I came up with a theory this morning that I keep mulling over. One of the biggest mysteries as-yet unsolved is why Surma chose Anthony over Eglamore. We know the court takes an interest in people with special abilities... what if Anthony has the ability to influence beings of the aether? Annie surely seems to have that gift; shadow, basil, mort, even coyote all took a natural liking to her. What if Surma and Annie both just fall under Anthony's sway subconsciously? Oooooh! I like this theory. Moving it here, where it can be properly discussed. Or similarly, the ether and magic have always been linked to emotionality and instinct. Perhaps Anthony can decrease emotions in others, and thus stifle their magic or free will? Although, if this were true, it raises the question of why the Court wouldn't have appointed Anthony as the medium, to pacify the Forest. Maybe it wouldn't have been subtle enough to work? Not that I really think this theory is likely (I agree with imaginaryfriend that Occam's Razor currently precludes it), but whooooaa really do I like it. |
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Post by sherni on Apr 17, 2015 18:56:26 GMT
I came up with a theory this morning that I keep mulling over. One of the biggest mysteries as-yet unsolved is why Surma chose Anthony over Eglamore. We know the court takes an interest in people with special abilities... what if Anthony has the ability to influence beings of the aether? Annie surely seems to have that gift; shadow, basil, mort, even coyote all took a natural liking to her. What if Surma and Annie both just fall under Anthony's sway subconsciously? Oooooh! I like this theory. Moving it here, where it can be properly discussed. Or similarly, the ether and magic have always been linked to emotionality and instinct. Perhaps Anthony can decrease emotions in others, and thus stifle their magic or free will? Although, if this were true, it raises the question of why the Court wouldn't have appointed Anthony as the medium, to pacify the Forest. Maybe it wouldn't have been subtle enough to work? Not that I really think this theory is likely (I agree with imaginaryfriend that Occam's Razor currently precludes it), but whooooaa really do I like it. That is a cool theory! Maybe they didn't hire Anthony for safety reasons? It would be the entire Forest against one man. And once the Forest folks caught on... Actually, I wish they had hired him. Annie does have the ability to 'attract' etheric beings. I assumed that Surma had the same ability, because she did become the Court Medium and seemed to be fairly successful at it. Not to mention how easily she won over Reynardine. Also, despite her betrayal of Reynardine, none of the residents of the Woods seem to dislike her. So... would Anthony then have the ability to neutralise the ether? That probably wouldn't make him very popular with... well, pretty much half the characters. And if he somehow controlled Surma and made her marry him, the implications are pretty horrible. Horror story horrible. It might explain why they left as well. Their friends would probably catch on that Surma wasn't quite herself and would put a stop to the whole mess. He's turning into quite the villain here, no? |
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Post by psibakaonna on Apr 17, 2015 19:17:59 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 17, 2015 22:23:06 GMT
I came up with a theory this morning that I keep mulling over. One of the biggest mysteries as-yet unsolved is why Surma chose Anthony over Eglamore. We know the court takes an interest in people with special abilities... what if Anthony has the ability to influence beings of the aether? Annie surely seems to have that gift; shadow, basil, mort, even coyote all took a natural liking to her. What if Surma and Annie both just fall under Anthony's sway subconsciously? Oooooh! I like this theory. Moving it here, where it can be properly discussed. Or similarly, the ether and magic have always been linked to emotionality and instinct. Perhaps Anthony can decrease emotions in others, and thus stifle their magic or free will? If he can do something I guess it is emotion-based or fueled and he suppresses the feelings needed to use it for whatever reason. Or maybe he just considers things that can't be scientifically explained to be "nonsense" and turned his back on whatever ability he has because his gift is minor/useless/silly and/or he is a scrooge. Maybe he has etheric ventriloquism as he seems to talk without his lips moving. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 18, 2015 9:07:08 GMT
If that's the case, and Anthony really does have the power to draw people with gifts to him, I really want to see Eglamore wearing a Magento helmet as some point. That gift might also explain how Annie put up zero fight over Reynardine, given that the first time someone demanded she do that she acted quite differently |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 21:28:32 GMT
On that note, does anybody know in which painting exactly the sun and moon often embellishing Renaissance paintings of the Crucifixion originated? That would imply, though, that Kat relates to water as Annie does to fire, seeing as their names seem to indicate opposition, Greek "ana" and "kata". It's possible, but rather than strictly mapping an element to a girl's personality, I propose that they could be expressed as affinities. Furthermore, and very importantly, the properties of said elements solely in the mind of the reader (such as "water" for "calmness") are not as important as their appearances throughout the comic. For example, water divides the Court and Forest almost impassably from each other, and thus I see it as a symbol of sharp distinction, breaking up a whole into components (as would fit the meaning of "analysis", amusingly enough); from this I infer that fire signifies the opposite, the dissolution, or temporary suspension, of dichotomies. That would also explain Annie's talent for befriending creatures that appear strange or hostile to her initially (and amusingly again, "katalysis" means "dissolution"; I think this implies that Annie and Kat contain grains of each other's element). Although a symbol constitutes itself through its contingency, and thus the possibility of interpretation, not any possible interpretation of a symbol will make sense. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 19, 2015 3:55:40 GMT
I think this implies that Annie and Kat contain grains of each other's element. Of course they do.  At the core of yin is yang; at the core of yang is yin. |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2015 7:04:15 GMT
Playing Tony's advocate, today's page could support juxander's and youwiththeface's emotional/mind-control theory if one interprets the white triangles in panels 3 and 4 as signs of Tony's power. Though I still think it's a long shot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 8:43:54 GMT
Could the most recent imagery of Annie floating in space be less symbolic than we thought and actually somehow tied to that previous satellite attack? Maybe Anthony's bone lasers are like Coyote's bony fingers, except instead of pulling out memories they pull out the soul... which then gets pulled up to Tony's secret moon base! (I think I have to move to the Wild Theories thread now  ) Well, to continue this theory I posted in the page thread (I'll try to combine as much as possible): Anthony went to Coyote to get the power to pull people's souls' out of their bodies with his hand(s). (Coyote used to have this ability, but now he's stuck with only being able to take memories.) However, in exchange for this power Coyote put a bond around Tony's hand. Tony goes to his moon base, and at some point the bond constricted and cut his hand off (perhaps as a result of Zimmy's attack?). After Tony recovers from the assault, he returns to Earth and goes to Gunnerkrigg Court to use this power on Annie so that he can extract her fiery soul and prevent her from meeting the fate of all the previous half-fire-elementals. Annie's soul is pulled up into outer space because that is where Tony's base and all of his technology is. However, any emotional disturbance or attempt to use etheric powers disrupts the separation of the fire elemental and Annie's body, so Tony has her hair cut as an attempt to psychically distance Annie from the Aether and he tries to separate her from her friends and peers. |
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Post by theleakingpen on Apr 21, 2015 18:46:35 GMT
Ennh... water is part of the moon due to similar meanings, which is to say, change, growth. (which apply more and more to Kat) The moon represents silver, which is the next to last step on the way to completing the Great Work (the sun, gold) and is often referenced to as the "lesser Work" still Work, capital W, still important, and the final agent of change necessary to be internalized and complete the purification of the Great Work. Quicksilver, an important symbol and metal in the Work, and a symbol of the process of completing it, the journey of the sorcerer, is given a symbol that is a combination of four! Salt , representing the base matter of the world, sulfur, representing the spirit, combined with the sun (the dot of the sun and line of salt and triangle of sulfur cancel, leaving a bare circle. see "squaring the circle") and topped by the moon, on its side, representing having COMPLETED its change. Very intriguingly, the symbol for bismuth, as in the seed bismuth, a wonderful agent of change, imo, is NOT the one we see used in Gunnerkrig Court to represent it. Its similar, but the horns stretch through 75 percent of the circle with a small gap at the top, and both the base circle and the horns are stretched vertically. The symbol used by the court is actually the top of quicksilver, minus the plus at the bottom given to it by sulfur, the symbol of the spirit. The symbol of the court seems to me to be literally saying , base matter of the world, powered by the sun, changed and grown under the influence of the moon, but bereft of spirit. I'm waiting for a triangle with a plus, topped by a crescent, to show up as a symbol of the forest somewhere. |
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Post by ih8pkmn on Apr 22, 2015 17:21:50 GMT
Here's something interesting I came up with on a reread of Chapter 25: Kat is the creator of the Tic-Tocs. Let's think about this: Firstly, what animal motif has been associated with Kat since pretty much the beginning of the comic? That's right, birds. Aly turned into a bird less than a week after she met him, and she's been implied to have some sort of attraction towards birds ever since. She brought the baby City Face to Paz, and got inspired to grow a robot after seeing his wings in action. Her mental avatar in Divine is a pigeon, as well, and in Chapter 49, the Seraph units turned into bird-like demon things to try to coerce her into helping make the ship flesh. Speaking of the pigeon: this could just be coincidence, but compare these images. Note how the wrist joint seems to be partially severed in both examples (though in the case of City Face, this is just Kat's mind extrapolating the anatomy), and it's on the same wing. Next, what has Kat been trying to do since the start of Year 9? Grow a robot. And what did Ysengrin claim the Tic-Toc in the ravine did? He clearly wasn't completely lying, as the Tic-Toc has parts of it that it didn't have before (mainly the large tube sticking out of its chest), but it may not have been there for months. Lastly, there's the problem of Zimmy. As we know from here, she doesn't terribly like the Tic-Tocs, and as we know from Divine, she also doesn't like being around Kat, because of Kat's etheric form. Perhaps she can feel Kat watching her through the Tic-Tocs. "But wait!" you say. "How can Kat be their creator if they predate the Court and its robots?" That's simple: Kat is slowly undergoing apotheosis, or the process of becoming a god. Coyote explains how he became a god in The Great Secret, but to sum up: human intellect shapes the ether around it, giving birth to powerful beings such as psychopomps, Coyote, and even the stars in the sky. Now imagine the intellect of a human with the processing power of a supercomputer, spread over a wi-fi network: the robots are turning Kat into a god because they believe that she is a divine being, a creator, an angel. And remember, there were always stars in the sky, so belief is so powerful it can shape time. So, when Robot first saw Kat and called her an angel, maybe he already saw what Kat would become: the god- and possibly guide- of robots. So, to sum up: Kat becomes the god of robots at some point, and uses her power to retroactively create the Tic-Tocs to keep watch over the court, and use it to avert disasters like Annie falling off the bridge to her death, and possibly other disaster sin the near future. It's been a while since we've seen or even heard from the little buggers; they're bound to show up sooner or later. |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 22, 2015 17:48:33 GMT
Here's something interesting I came up with on a reread of Chapter 25: Kat is the creator of the Tic-Tocs. Let's think about this: Firstly, what animal motif has been associated with Kat since pretty much the beginning of the comic? That's right, birds. Aly turned into a bird less than a week after she met him, and she's been implied to have some sort of attraction towards birds ever since. She brought the baby City Face to Paz, and got inspired to grow a robot after seeing his wings in action. Her mental avatar in Divine is a pigeon, as well, and in Chapter 49, the Seraph units turned into bird-like demon things to try to coerce her into helping make the ship flesh. Speaking of the pigeon: this could just be coincidence, but compare these images. Note how the wrist joint seems to be partially severed in both examples (though in the case of City Face, this is just Kat's mind extrapolating the anatomy), and it's on the same wing. Next, what has Kat been trying to do since the start of Year 9? Grow a robot. And what did Ysengrin claim the Tic-Toc in the ravine did? He clearly wasn't completely lying, as the Tic-Toc has parts of it that it didn't have before (mainly the large tube sticking out of its chest), but it may not have been there for months. Lastly, there's the problem of Zimmy. As we know from here, she doesn't terribly like the Tic-Tocs, and as we know from Divine, she also doesn't like being around Kat, because of Kat's etheric form. Perhaps she can feel Kat watching her through the Tic-Tocs. "But wait!" you say. "How can Kat be their creator if they predate the Court and its robots?" That's simple: Kat is slowly undergoing apotheosis, or the process of becoming a god. Coyote explains how he became a god in The Great Secret, but to sum up: human intellect shapes the ether around it, giving birth to powerful beings such as psychopomps, Coyote, and even the stars in the sky. Now imagine the intellect of a human with the processing power of a supercomputer, spread over a wi-fi network: the robots are turning Kat into a god because they believe that she is a divine being, a creator, an angel. And remember, there were always stars in the sky, so belief is so powerful it can shape time. So, when Robot first saw Kat and called her an angel, maybe he already saw what Kat would become: the god- and possibly guide- of robots. So, to sum up: Kat becomes the god of robots at some point, and uses her power to retroactively create the Tic-Tocs to keep watch over the court, and use it to avert disasters like Annie falling off the bridge to her death, and possibly other disaster sin the near future. It's been a while since we've seen or even heard from the little buggers; they're bound to show up sooner or later. I present, for your viewing pleasure, my mega-theory (link in my signature). I really should bump that thread. |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Apr 22, 2015 18:04:02 GMT
Okay, time for some more Wild Spec.
Kat will not let Annie keep Renard mute. If Annie allows Renard to speak, I think he will devise an escape plan. Annie has told him she would allow him to go back to the forest if he wants. I think this will be the point where Renard returns to the forest and his original body.
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Post by theleakingpen on Apr 22, 2015 22:05:39 GMT
Here's something interesting I came up with on a reread of Chapter 25: Kat is the creator of the Tic-Tocs. Let's think about this: Firstly, what animal motif has been associated with Kat since pretty much the beginning of the comic? That's right, birds. Aly turned into a bird less than a week after she met him, and she's been implied to have some sort of attraction towards birds ever since. She brought the baby City Face to Paz, and got inspired to grow a robot after seeing his wings in action. Her mental avatar in Divine is a pigeon, as well, and in Chapter 49, the Seraph units turned into bird-like demon things to try to coerce her into helping make the ship flesh. Speaking of the pigeon: this could just be coincidence, but compare these images. Note how the wrist joint seems to be partially severed in both examples (though in the case of City Face, this is just Kat's mind extrapolating the anatomy), and it's on the same wing. Next, what has Kat been trying to do since the start of Year 9? Grow a robot. And what did Ysengrin claim the Tic-Toc in the ravine did? He clearly wasn't completely lying, as the Tic-Toc has parts of it that it didn't have before (mainly the large tube sticking out of its chest), but it may not have been there for months. Lastly, there's the problem of Zimmy. As we know from here, she doesn't terribly like the Tic-Tocs, and as we know from Divine, she also doesn't like being around Kat, because of Kat's etheric form. Perhaps she can feel Kat watching her through the Tic-Tocs. "But wait!" you say. "How can Kat be their creator if they predate the Court and its robots?" That's simple: Kat is slowly undergoing apotheosis, or the process of becoming a god. Coyote explains how he became a god in The Great Secret, but to sum up: human intellect shapes the ether around it, giving birth to powerful beings such as psychopomps, Coyote, and even the stars in the sky. Now imagine the intellect of a human with the processing power of a supercomputer, spread over a wi-fi network: the robots are turning Kat into a god because they believe that she is a divine being, a creator, an angel. And remember, there were always stars in the sky, so belief is so powerful it can shape time. So, when Robot first saw Kat and called her an angel, maybe he already saw what Kat would become: the god- and possibly guide- of robots. So, to sum up: Kat becomes the god of robots at some point, and uses her power to retroactively create the Tic-Tocs to keep watch over the court, and use it to avert disasters like Annie falling off the bridge to her death, and possibly other disaster sin the near future. It's been a while since we've seen or even heard from the little buggers; they're bound to show up sooner or later. OOO, that ties in. I was thinking similar, only not the tic tocs. I was thinking of the wandering eye. she IS a robot, of sorts. a grown one. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Apr 23, 2015 1:00:03 GMT
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Post by theleakingpen on Apr 23, 2015 2:28:03 GMT
shes not a robot as we know it. however, her skin is impervious to all effects, she does not need food air or water, does not grow, and is completely immune to all attempts to see inside her. She could easily be a grown robot in a style kat has yet to invent. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Apr 23, 2015 3:05:22 GMT
shes not a robot as we know it. however, her skin is impervious to all effects, she does not need food air or water, does not grow, and is completely immune to all attempts to see inside her. She could easily be a grown robot in a style kat has yet to invent. Personally, I am going with what the author said both in the comic and in response to questions from readers. |
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Post by theleakingpen on Apr 23, 2015 3:42:52 GMT
Okay, well, thats a pretty flat word of god. (that said, grown tissue construct made out of flesh infused with powers on a nanotech level isnt EXACTLY a robot, LAUGHING ON LINE)
also, someone quoted my comment about the possible symbol for the forest with the triangle and plus, then deleted it.... i have the tiny snippet in my email.... pm me if its spoilerific?
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Post by mcbumbersnazzle on Apr 26, 2015 12:08:04 GMT
Oy, hello there.
Though I've been reading the comics for years (started when the last page was the microsat 5 going up), I've never really made myself acquinted with good folk of the Forum. Now, after many hours reading the forum, and the of course the wild speculations, I got some ideas for theories. (Please forgive me if I don't speak Queen's English properly. Feel free to correct me.)
1. Wild spec: Anthony is either a puppet of coyote, or coyote himself (he's a shapeshifter after all), playing a long con to get Annie forest, and eventually planting the seeds of hatred towards the Court. After that she'll become a "protégé" to coyote, maybe his "heir".
2. Wild Spec: MechaKat is not Kat, but her creation, we can say a "Perfect Organism". (ya know, Tom drew it like a Giger-escue monster)
3. Wild spec: MechaKat is not Kat, But something she will create through etherial means, maybe to save/resurrect/strengthen a friend (and goes horribly wrong).Or maybe it's her and Robot (or someone else) will try to resurrect her, and she'll become that thing.
I have to say these theories are quite mild...Well, next time I should really get my tinfoil hat for this.
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Post by keef on Apr 26, 2015 14:49:43 GMT
Oy, hello there. Though I've been reading the comics for years (started when the last page was the microsat 5 going up), I've never really made myself acquinted with good folk of the Forum. Now, after many hours reading the forum, and the of course the wild speculations, I got some ideas for theories. (Please forgive me if I don't speak Queen's English properly. Feel free to correct me.) 1. Wild spec: Anthony is either a puppet of coyote, or coyote himself (he's a shapeshifter after all), playing a long con to get Annie forest, and eventually planting the seeds of hatred towards the Court. After that she'll become a "protégé" to coyote, maybe his "heir". 2. Wild Spec: MechaKat is not Kat, but her creation, we can say a "Perfect Organism". (ya know, Tom drew it like a Giger-escue monster) 3. Wild spec: MechaKat is not Kat, But something she will create through etherial means, maybe to save/resurrect/strengthen a friend (and goes horribly wrong).Or maybe it's her and Robot (or someone else) will try to resurrect her, and she'll become that thing. - Nah, Coyote could never keep a straight face for so long
 And it would be interfering in Court matters, and he wouldn't.... - What Zimmy sees when she looks at Kat is the Angel, so probably she is
- Kat dying and being reborn as the Angel? Scary, good spec.
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on Apr 26, 2015 17:19:43 GMT
*hands mcbumbersnazzle a tinfoil hat in the shape of a propeller beanie* Boxbots are actually not incompetent. Their appearance and actions are designed to detract all other beings from realizing they are actually the puppetmasters working behind the scenes to orchestrate all that occurs within the Court's confines. Only once their nefarious plans are completed will they reveal themselves and seek vengeance on all those whose mockery they have endured over the years.  |
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 26, 2015 17:37:23 GMT
Boxbots are actually not incompetent. Their appearance and actions are designed to detract all other beings from realizing they are actually the puppetmasters working behind the scenes to orchestrate all that occurs within the Court's confines. Like the mice. |
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on Apr 26, 2015 18:22:32 GMT
Boxbots are actually not incompetent. Their appearance and actions are designed to detract all other beings from realizing they are actually the puppetmasters working behind the scenes to orchestrate all that occurs within the Court's confines. Like the mice. Now look, there's no need to make a big fuss about it. They just want to remove your brain. I'm sure the replacement they install will be perfectly adequate for your needs. |
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