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Post by todd on Jun 12, 2017 23:59:14 GMT
The ship wasn't really lusting after Lindsay; it just pretended to be, on the Seraphs' instructions (and hamming it up), to keep Kat and the others from suspecting what the Seraphs' real goal was. (Note that the Seraphs protest against Paz's "interference" when she starts trying to have a serious talk with the ship about its pursuit of Lindsay - maybe because if Kat and Paz dwelt on that part too long, they'd start noticing various problems with it - the ship honestly expecting Lindsay to ditch her husband for him, no matter what it looked like, not to mention that he'd meddled with Lindsay's charges in the process - or that it would have the opportunity to engage in a romance with her after pulling a stunt like that one, which would most likely get it placed in robot prison for a long time - and suspect that its story was all subterfuge to conceal a different purpose, which the Seraphs wouldn't want.)
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 15, 2017 20:31:58 GMT
The ship wasn't really lusting after Lindsay; it just pretended to be, on the Seraphs' instructions (and hamming it up), to keep Kat and the others from suspecting what the Seraphs' real goal was. (Note that the Seraphs protest against Paz's "interference" when she starts trying to have a serious talk with the ship about its pursuit of Lindsay - maybe because if Kat and Paz dwelt on that part too long, they'd start noticing various problems with it - the ship honestly expecting Lindsay to ditch her husband for him, no matter what it looked like, not to mention that he'd meddled with Lindsay's charges in the process - or that it would have the opportunity to engage in a romance with her after pulling a stunt like that one, which would most likely get it placed in robot prison for a long time - and suspect that its story was all subterfuge to conceal a different purpose, which the Seraphs wouldn't want.) But weren't the Seraphs already making their goals pretty obvious? Unless you're referring to some other goal besides, "speed up the Creator's work in bio-robotics". |
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Post by todd on Jun 15, 2017 23:43:58 GMT
The ship wasn't really lusting after Lindsay; it just pretended to be, on the Seraphs' instructions (and hamming it up), to keep Kat and the others from suspecting what the Seraphs' real goal was. (Note that the Seraphs protest against Paz's "interference" when she starts trying to have a serious talk with the ship about its pursuit of Lindsay - maybe because if Kat and Paz dwelt on that part too long, they'd start noticing various problems with it - the ship honestly expecting Lindsay to ditch her husband for him, no matter what it looked like, not to mention that he'd meddled with Lindsay's charges in the process - or that it would have the opportunity to engage in a romance with her after pulling a stunt like that one, which would most likely get it placed in robot prison for a long time - and suspect that its story was all subterfuge to conceal a different purpose, which the Seraphs wouldn't want.) But weren't the Seraphs already making their goals pretty obvious? Unless you're referring to some other goal besides, "speed up the Creator's work in bio-robotics". Well, to put the focus more on the ship's desires than on the Seraphs'. (I still think that the Seraphs were taking a big gamble there; imagine if Kat had blamed her project for the incident and taken a baseball bat to everything in her lab, vowing never to do anything high-tech again - or if it was high-tech, nothing to do with robots.) |
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Post by ST13R on Jun 16, 2017 20:21:27 GMT
There was a speculation earlier about this, but I can't find it. Someone suggested the sprig on Young's coat was the first of these insignias. Just to add to the instances of this, there are similar insignia here. Yes, I think someone had noted in another thread already that they are Aata and Shell. Something I've not noticed uptil now is that Doorbot and SecretaryBot (for lack of names) both wear a blue insignia, and the SecurityBots wear the same shield-logo as one of the older bots. With the new page suggesting that robots transfer bodies when getting older, I'm kind of wondering if they get to choose (or are assigned) a specific rank/model when they reach a certain age. It'd mean that almost all of the bots we've seen uptil now did not reach that age though. |
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Post by jda on Jun 17, 2017 3:32:20 GMT
Just to add to the instances of this, there are similar insignia here. Yes, I think someone had noted in another thread already that they are Aata and Shell. Something I've not noticed uptil now is that Doorbot and SecretaryBot (for lack of names) both wear a blue insignia, and the SecurityBots wear the same shield-logo as one of the older bots. With the new page suggesting that robots transfer bodies when getting older, I'm kind of wondering if they get to choose (or are assigned) a specific rank/model when they reach a certain age. It'd mean that almost all of the bots we've seen uptil now did not reach that age though. Teenage Malfunction Lover Robots? |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 17, 2017 9:40:51 GMT
There is a child-sized robot with the security force hunting Jack in "Spring Heeled". I don't think we should jump to too many conclusions based on Arthur having upgraded to taller chassis over time. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 17, 2017 14:24:23 GMT
Arthur would probably have wanted to stay reasonably close to Juliette's size (but apparently always somewhat smaller)... it's one thing to be the size of a four-year-old when the object of your affection is the size of a six-year-old, and quite another to be the size of a four-year-old when the object of your affection is the size of an adult.
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Post by clover on Jun 28, 2017 1:46:28 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory.
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Post by ST13R on Jun 28, 2017 7:49:16 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory. Couldn't find him in chapter 11, 19 or 49. Though I'm interested in that theory non the less  (It's called wild spec for a reason ;P ) |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 28, 2017 8:55:16 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory. We don't see him, but that does not mean he is not there.  Give us your theory! |
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Post by jda on Jun 29, 2017 19:37:25 GMT
Hi, Fellow Wildspeccers! (Over)thinking about GKC symbols, alchemy, the newest page, the seventh treatise, its (assumed) explanation, and the discussion on "What is the Court, and what it wants", I found a lot of info on this page about the Kabbalah's Tree of Life. I find specially interesting these parts : Netzach and Yesod sound like etheric realm to me
"In Netzach, there are life forms that are like a phantasmagoria of dancing faeries. Their consciousness consists of a group-mind."
"Yesod is the sphere of formation, [where] the patterns from above are turned into blueprints for manifestation upon the physical level; a peculiar non-physical substance that is at once both living mind and inert matter, the astral light, the ether, is "programmed" by images from above but it is also formed by all the imagery generated by humans."
If so, maybe the Questo of the Court to Godhood is to bring that power, to conquer "the inertia of the physical" into "this" physical realm (Malkuth) " Malkuth is the only stable sphere [...]. Here in the physical world, it takes time to produce change. Imagine what would occur if the physical world immediately changed to reflect your thoughts and feelings! You could create wonders, but as soon as you imagined something worthy of causing fear, you would create that as well. "What a wonderful world! But are there crocodiles?" Munch! Down come the jaws upon you. For our stage of growth, we need the inertia of the physical to give us time to experience the results of our imaging more slowly." |
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Post by clover on Jun 30, 2017 19:41:52 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory. We don't see him, but that does not mean he is not there. Give us your theory! A version, vision, or echo of Sivo in some sort of tortured half-life appears there, bound and with what appears to be foxlike figures apparently representative of the body being held by Reynardine's spirit. To Zimmy, this creature would make no sense and would just be another weird twisted vision the likes of which she sees all the time. It only makes sense to us as the viewers because we have seen the real life condition and misery which seems to have been echoed in Zimmy's world. I consider it not impossible that Zimmy's cityscape may be some sort of limbo, half-life, etheric void — someplace where Sivo has appeared, and where Daniel Schiff may also be, or could otherwise be contacted. It may also be possible that in Zimmy's creepy world, there's a bit of a Sixth Sense thing occurring. These beings are lost in a weird etheric purgatory and may be reaching out to Zimmy for help, even if she doesn't understand this yet. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 4, 2017 0:06:31 GMT
We don't see him, but that does not mean he is not there. Give us your theory! A version, vision, or echo of Sivo in some sort of tortured half-life appears there, bound and with what appears to be foxlike figures apparently representative of the body being held by Reynardine's spirit. To Zimmy, this creature would make no sense and would just be another weird twisted vision the likes of which she sees all the time. It only makes sense to us as the viewers because we have seen the real life condition and misery which seems to have been echoed in Zimmy's world. I consider it not impossible that Zimmy's cityscape may be some sort of limbo, half-life, etheric void — someplace where Sivo has appeared, and where Daniel Schiff may also be, or could otherwise be contacted. It may also be possible that in Zimmy's creepy world, there's a bit of a Sixth Sense thing occurring. These beings are lost in a weird etheric purgatory and may be reaching out to Zimmy for help, even if she doesn't understand this yet. I like this idea! If we extend that beyond Sivo and Daniel, it gives us a whole new perspective on the Whitelegs and their quest to hitch a ride out of Zimmingham. Before, I had thought of them as just extensions of her own psyche (which is probably also what she believes them to be), but it's much more interesting if they're actually creatures originally from the outside world. That scene where Zimmy enters Annie's dreams also fits in nicely with this, especially if we think of it more as Annie's dreams entering Zimmy. |
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Post by jda on Jul 5, 2017 16:11:16 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory. It seems you refer to this one. |
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Post by clover on Jul 11, 2017 1:11:58 GMT
Hey all. I was wondering if someone could check through the history of the comic (or perhaps they have this information known to them already!) to see if Daniel Schiff, or something resembling Daniel Schiff, appears anywhere in the strange place that Zimmy goes. I recall that Sivo the rogat orjak or some distorted version of him appears there. I have a brewing theory. It seems you refer to this one. Correct. Thinking about the panel later, I realized that Zimmy has likely no real understanding of what that is. Annie, were she stuck there, would immediately recognize it as the beast Reynardine was trapped in, and this would probably set off a large number of realizations/discoveries about where Zimmy is trapped. To Zimmy, it is just another horrifying creature occupying her mindscape, coming towards her. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 12, 2017 20:33:53 GMT
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Post by jda on Jul 22, 2017 18:29:13 GMT
With Surma's fire, and lastly, her soul being transfered to Annie's, it'd be plausible for Antimony to "access" her mother's memories (and grannies', etc).
That would leave us with a mumble jumble for protagonist, but still, interesting.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 7:22:11 GMT
I took that page as more of a hint that Kat is actually a sophisticated android herself. Like here (her parents getting weirdly nervous when she even mentions robotics), or here (Annie thinks Jones is saying "His voice sounds like yours," when she really is saying, "You also have a robot for a best friend"). Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jul 24, 2017 10:26:30 GMT
I took that page as more of a hint that Kat is actually a sophisticated android herself. Like here (her parents getting weirdly nervous when she even mentions robotics), or here (Annie thinks Jones is saying "His voice sounds like yours," when she really is saying, "You also have a robot for a best friend"). Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 18:01:20 GMT
I took that page as more of a hint that Kat is actually a sophisticated android herself. Like here (her parents getting weirdly nervous when she even mentions robotics), or here (Annie thinks Jones is saying "His voice sounds like yours," when she really is saying, "You also have a robot for a best friend"). Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). So you think Kat is the specialized piece of equipment?! Holy, I never thought of that. That's my new favorite theory. |
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Post by csj on Jul 24, 2017 19:15:07 GMT
Surma is probably a psychopomp due to the whole being literally fire dealio, but the Surma are also arguably psychopomps. For sudden, violent death. like the ones in Annan waters |
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Post by keef on Jul 24, 2017 23:01:02 GMT
Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). Nice catch. But I wouldn't put it past Tom to deliberately feed reader speculation. |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 23:04:19 GMT
Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). Nice catch. But I wouldn't put it past Tom to deliberately feed reader speculation. Agreed. He may be trolling us. But this theory is my baby and I will nurse it with whatever tiny bits of milk I am provided for as long as I can. (The tiny bits of milk are hints Tom has thrown at us, if that wasn't clear.) |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 24, 2017 23:09:10 GMT
Or even Tom's comment here ("A girl with robot parts"). Nice catch. But I wouldn't put it past Tom to deliberately feed reader speculation. Kat undoubtedly has robot parts much in the same way Stephen King has the heart of a small boy. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 26, 2017 11:53:32 GMT
It's not so wild, but here is a spec... inspired by a comment by runningflame drawing an analogy between "reproduction" in fire elementals and the phoenix. In those beings, the "reproduction" or transference is immediate, or nearly so. In the case of Surma, and her line of fire elemental/human hybrids (including Annie of course), death of the parent is slower and the transference more gradual. Annie was maybe 10 when her mother died? My (minor) speculation is that the hybridization of human and fire elemental delays/stretches out the transference process, allowing, for the first time, for a fire elemental to potentially "mother" its offspring. I propose the fire elemental is sometimes the dominant partner in the hybrid, causing many human "mothering" reflexes to be attenuated. Surma is much more willing to let Annie "do/learn it herself", "go it alone" and not prepare her for the difficulties of losing a parent, growing into their fiery powers, becoming a psychopomp, etc. Im thinking that a lot of this is due to Surma's half fire elemental nature, which has no experience at mothering, indeed, it *can't* mother, and thus doesnt see the need for it.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 26, 2017 13:05:12 GMT
But that contradicts the loving way Surma was depicted as treating Antimony. She only failed in the "preparing her daughter" department.
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Post by saardvark on Jul 26, 2017 13:13:27 GMT
But that contradicts the loving way Surma was depicted as treating Antimony. She only failed in the "preparing her daughter" department. well, she is half human too, so that side could show plenty of love to Annie... Im just trying to partly explain why Surma didn't prepare her well - her fire elemental side didn't feel any need to, and apparently won that "argument". Im viewing Surma as a real hybrid, a mix of human and fire elemental both physically and psychologically. On the psychological side, sometimes she swings more one way, sometimes the other.... |
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Post by gunnerscrag on Jul 28, 2017 5:53:40 GMT
If the Court was grown from the Seed Bismuth (which we can assume, despite Beesmuth being a liar, works through both technological and etheric means), then shouldnt etheric users be able to see more "colors" instead of the grayscale background that appears whenever they project themselves, like in the forest?
On one hand, theres the whole 'willing it to grow too fast' part, which may have made technology a more prominent part of the architecture over the natural landscape (all the huldings vs young park, for example). On the other, theres the whole separation from the Forest, cutting down trees and adding even more buildings. But the originals should remain, and so whatever etheric component that was part of them. We dont know the original point from where the seed grew, but some of the oldest parts should still be at the edge of the river, and yet when Annie projects there, the background is still grayscale.
My theory, after this long introduction, is that the Court's experiments with the ether began way in the past. Not just with the creation of the Power Station in Chapters 19/27/28 (which seem to need some modern-ish technology at least not available during the foundatiom of the Court) but rather through some means that extracted the etheric components of the buildings / Bismuth offspring.
And to the first question I made, when Annie projects into the Ether after returning from the Forest, she does say that the Court isnt 'as empty as (she) though', which Im going to assume is whatever Bismuth-Ether that may cling to the buildings, since she and Kat were pretty much alone in that rooftop the whole time. Not the full palette from the forest, but perhaos not as grey as when she first used her blinker stone with Anja.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 28, 2017 10:27:21 GMT
Maybe the buildings grown from the seed Bismuth are analogous to hair - consisting of dead cells - while the living part is underground? Or the grown technology and structures lose their etheric energy after some time? Or they never meant "growing" like plants, but instead like, for example, stalagmites?
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 8, 2017 4:26:15 GMT
As for the buttons on the Seraphs' heads... If I recall correctly, the old robots stated or implied that their own designs and SO are beyond their understanding. Which is why they had to create simpler models they could repair, after Diego's death. So I guess the red buttons were added by Diego himself. I guess you meant to write "the red buttons were not added by Diego himself"? The S1 model does not have one.It has a CPU slot, though, which is pretty peculiar when you think that this type of integrated circuit was designed in the 20th century. ... OR WAS IT??? New headcanon: Diego was way ahead of his time, inventing electronics while the outside world was still figuring out steam power. His genius died with him--until the 1940s, when the Court stumbled on a room full of old diagrams. They couldn't understand a lot of it, but they started piecing together as much as they could. And they shared their newly rediscovered computing machine technology with the team at Bletchley Park, thus assisting with the war effort. In short: Diego defeated Hitler. |
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