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Post by quark on Nov 2, 2015 21:07:12 GMT
To be honest, I kind of don't want Kat to give back ownership now, or at all - as speedwell said, it would be like expecting to be handed the leash of a dog back. Frankly, I don't think Annie is even thinking of the ownership thing right now. The fact that Rey is wearing her symbol in that page isn't surprising. It's simply what he's looked like for the last few years. Annie probably never got to see him wearing Kat's mark in the first place. He has no mark in his doll form, and she didn't get to talk to him since the transfer of ownership in the carriage. The fact that she pictures him that way in her mind doesn't mean she is expecting to get owner rights given back to her.
Maybe, maybe not, but I do think she and Rey got to talk. Seeing how angry Kat was at Annie for forbidding Rey to speak, she would have allowed him after the transfer (and she did - Rey didn't need her permission when they broke into Anthony's House). Even if he stayed in Doll form, the symbol would have been visible. It's one of Antimony's flaws she shares with her father - she thinks her feelings are more important than anything else. Granted, she has friends who'll call her out on it and she'll apologise/change her behaviour (which is what separates her from her father), but still. It showed when she ran to the forest in Fire Spike, and again when she didn't even arrange for her replacement as forest medium. (and a few times more). She wants to save Renard now, even though he's perfectly safe - Anthony has no power over him, and he has permission to defend himself with lethal force. |
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Post by matoyak on Nov 2, 2015 23:25:56 GMT
Frankly, I don't think Annie is even thinking of the ownership thing right now. The fact that Rey is wearing her symbol in that page isn't surprising. It's simply what he's looked like for the last few years. Annie probably never got to see him wearing Kat's mark in the first place. He has no mark in his doll form, and she didn't get to talk to him since the transfer of ownership in the carriage. The fact that she pictures him that way in her mind doesn't mean she is expecting to get owner rights given back to her.
Maybe, maybe not, but I do think she and Rey got to talk. Seeing how angry Kat was at Annie for forbidding Rey to speak, she would have allowed him after the transfer (and she did - Rey didn't need her permission when they broke into Anthony's House). Even if he stayed in Doll form, the symbol would have been visible. It's one of Antimony's flaws she shares with her father - she thinks her feelings are more important than anything else. Granted, she has friends who'll call her out on it and she'll apologise/change her behaviour (which is what separates her from her father), but still. It showed when she ran to the forest in Fire Spike, and again when she didn't even arrange for her replacement as forest medium. (and a few times more). She wants to save Renard now, even though he's perfectly safe - Anthony has no power over him, and he has permission to defend himself with lethal force. It should be noted that nothing here outright says she means to "save" or "rescue" Renard. Merely that she abandoned a friend and needs to get him back. Which isn't necessarily a literal, physical thing: she needs to get her friendship back. Might not have anything to do with having him back under her control, or even getting him away from her dad. |
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Post by goldenknots on Nov 3, 2015 2:56:24 GMT
It should be noted that nothing here outright says she means to "save" or "rescue" Renard. Merely that she abandoned a friend and needs to get him back. Which isn't necessarily a literal, physical thing: she needs to get her friendship back. Might not have anything to do with having him back under her control, or even getting him away from her dad. That's a reasonable view, but I'm hoping she also means to get him away from Anthony, regardless of any questions of "ownership". She abandoned him to the situation, she needs to fix that; I'm looking forward to seeing the sparks fly when she wades into that fray. :) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 3, 2015 3:54:12 GMT
If I was abandoned to Anthony I'd want to be rescued... even if it was just being stuck having a conversation with him. [looks at watch, starts tapping foot]
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Post by aline on Nov 3, 2015 6:44:17 GMT
She wants to save Renard now, even though he's perfectly safe - Anthony has no power over him, and he has permission to defend himself with lethal force. He's in a place where he really didn't want to go with someone he really doesn't like much. He can't go about his life or be with his friends, he's forced to stay where he is as he can't reveal who truly owns him. He might not be in any physical danger, but he's bascially in prison and she's the one who put him there. So while Rey doesn't need a rescue operation à la Dr. Disaster, he definitely needs Annie to do what she should have done from the start: stand up to her father and say "this person is my friend, now let him go". This isn't about ownership at all. This is about not letting down her friend. |
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Post by matoyak on Nov 3, 2015 6:49:15 GMT
It should be noted that nothing here outright says she means to "save" or "rescue" Renard. Merely that she abandoned a friend and needs to get him back. Which isn't necessarily a literal, physical thing: she needs to get her friendship back. Might not have anything to do with having him back under her control, or even getting him away from her dad. That's a reasonable view, but I'm hoping she also means to get him away from Anthony, regardless of any questions of "ownership". She abandoned him to the situation, she needs to fix that; I'm looking forward to seeing the sparks fly when she wades into that fray.  Oh, I definitely agree with you here. Merely saying that one does not imply the other. Hopefully both happen. |
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Post by quark on Nov 4, 2015 13:08:50 GMT
She wants to save Renard now, even though he's perfectly safe - Anthony has no power over him, and he has permission to defend himself with lethal force. He's in a place where he really didn't want to go with someone he really doesn't like much. He can't go about his life or be with his friends, he's forced to stay where he is as he can't reveal who truly owns him. He might not be in any physical danger, but he's bascially in prison and she's the one who put him there. So while Rey doesn't need a rescue operation à la Dr. Disaster, he definitely needs Annie to do what she should have done from the start: stand up to her father and say "this person is my friend, now let him go". This isn't about ownership at all. This is about not letting down her friend. I do hope it's about that. I do think she recognises how awfully selfish it was of her not to stand up to Anthony in the first place. I'm just not sure that it's not about ownership - in part, because of the symbol on Rey's head. |
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Post by Trillium on Nov 4, 2015 18:23:50 GMT
He's in a place where he really didn't want to go with someone he really doesn't like much. He can't go about his life or be with his friends, he's forced to stay where he is as he can't reveal who truly owns him. He might not be in any physical danger, but he's bascially in prison and she's the one who put him there. So while Rey doesn't need a rescue operation à la Dr. Disaster, he definitely needs Annie to do what she should have done from the start: stand up to her father and say "this person is my friend, now let him go". This isn't about ownership at all. This is about not letting down her friend. I do hope it's about that. I do think she recognises how awfully selfish it was of her not to stand up to Anthony in the first place. I'm just not sure that it's not about ownership - in part, because of the symbol on Rey's head. We have had long talks about the return of Anthony and the effect he had on Annie by his decisions and actions. In brief his cold and some would say cruel words and actions devastated Annie. He changed her housing and classes removing her from her friends and support structure. Annie was isolated and in shock. That she managed to transfer Renard's ownership to Kat was a brilliant move and probably used up the last of her energy and clear thinking. I think she did the best she could. |
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Post by quark on Nov 5, 2015 23:31:27 GMT
I do hope it's about that. I do think she recognises how awfully selfish it was of her not to stand up to Anthony in the first place. I'm just not sure that it's not about ownership - in part, because of the symbol on Rey's head. We have had long talks about the return of Anthony and the effect he had on Annie by his decisions and actions. In brief his cold and some would say cruel words and actions devastated Annie. He changed her housing and classes removing her from her friends and support structure. Annie was isolated and in shock. That she managed to transfer Renard's ownership to Kat was a brilliant move and probably used up the last of her energy and clear thinking. I think she did the best she could. Not saying she didn't. I myself argued over the last chapters how awful and manipulative Anthony's behaviour was, and how damaging in regards to Annie. I'm just saying - this comic made two things very clear: One, Annie didn't even consider not giving Rey to Anthony, and two, she didn't feel Rey had to have any say in it. The only thing that changed is Kat, and I think it was her idea to transfer ownership. But, here is my argument: Yes, Annie was trying to protect herself, yes, she was hurt, and yes, maybe that was the best she could do. But it's still horrible and selfish to even consider giving a friend away (into torture, maybe, or eternal imprisonment. Death sounds like the more merciful option there) just because she can't stand up to her father, and that's what she did. |
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Post by Trillium on Nov 6, 2015 18:06:00 GMT
We have had long talks about the return of Anthony and the effect he had on Annie by his decisions and actions. In brief his cold and some would say cruel words and actions devastated Annie. He changed her housing and classes removing her from her friends and support structure. Annie was isolated and in shock. That she managed to transfer Renard's ownership to Kat was a brilliant move and probably used up the last of her energy and clear thinking. I think she did the best she could. Not saying she didn't. I myself argued over the last chapters how awful and manipulative Anthony's behaviour was, and how damaging in regards to Annie. I'm just saying - this comic made two things very clear: One, Annie didn't even consider not giving Rey to Anthony, and two, she didn't feel Rey had to have any say in it. The only thing that changed is Kat, and I think it was her idea to transfer ownership. But, here is my argument: Yes, Annie was trying to protect herself, yes, she was hurt, and yes, maybe that was the best she could do. But it's still horrible and selfish to even consider giving a friend away (into torture, maybe, or eternal imprisonment. Death sounds like the more merciful option there) just because she can't stand up to her father, and that's what she did. And now it has been resolved. Annie went to her dad and asked for Renard and got him back. Now she probably has to talk to Kat. Quite a quick turn around. Good for Annie as well as Anthony. |
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