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Post by Lightice on Oct 14, 2015 11:55:47 GMT
I just realised that it's been ages since I posted anything here, but right now I've just got to applaud to Ysengrin. Who would have thought that the best insight comes from the mouth of a 20-foot tall tree wolf?
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Post by intotheether on Oct 14, 2015 12:00:16 GMT
Dayum. I mean... Just... Dayum.
I know Ysengrin has been a bit unstable in the past, and I know he's done some horrible things, but it's been fascinating watching the changes Annie's invoked on him and I can't explain how much respect I have for what he's just said and done.
I honestly don't even know if it's the right choice, but for Coyote's sake, at least he's doing something. While everyone else in the story (perhaps minus Donald, and I suppose Rey but we haven't really seen him in several chapters) had been content to let Annie's new status quo abide, Ysengrin has -in no short order-recognized what is wrong with her, called her on her bullshit excuses, forced her to confront her anger, reminded her of her own abilities and growth achieved independently of her father, expressed the respect and admiration that said father never has and offered to be an outlet for all her rage.
The guy in tree suit. Telling the fire elemental to unleash all her rage on him.
It might be wooden power armor, but clearly there are some massive stones hidden in there somewhere.
However this goes down, I respect him for at least trying to reach a lost friend. Maybe between him, Rey and the Donlans she might just make it out of the next few chapters alright.
Also, holy shit Tony. Annie's got all of her suppressed rage at you back. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 14, 2015 12:41:40 GMT
I honestly don't even know if it's the right choice, but for Coyote's sake, at least he's doing something. While everyone else in the story (perhaps minus Donald, and I suppose Rey but we haven't really seen him in several chapters) had been content to let Annie's new status quo abide, Ysengrin has -in no short order-recognized what is wrong with her, called her on her bullshit excuses, forced her to confront her anger, reminded her of her own abilities and growth achieved independently of her father, expressed the respect and admiration that said father never has and offered to be an outlet for all her rage. About the Donlans... They'd probably be doing more with Antimony if she'd let them. My current hypothesis is that Donald is treating Antimony like Anthony would like to be treated with regard to the whole minimalist-help sort of thing. If Antimony had latched on to their family more she would probably have been eating meals regularly with them, gone on vacations with them in Anthony's absence (she nearly did once but for circumstances) and so forth... and when Anthony returned, the Donlans would probably have taken a more active role in all this than what Donald wound up doing. |
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Post by sherni on Oct 14, 2015 12:56:58 GMT
I really love Ysengrin here. He gets it a lot more than he's been letting on. And the talking to he gave Annie was awesome! He pointed out the exact amount of importance her daddy dearest deserves- which is none! Maybe Anthony reduced Annie to the state she's been in, but she was mostly responsible for keeping herself there. And there didn't seem to be anyone in the Court who could bring out of it. Ysengrin may be the only person who is capable of helping her at this point.
That said, and I think my opinion will not be popular here, I'm very iffy about him just snapping her blinker stone/soul jar. Telling her off was fine, but forcing the issue the way he did seems to be a bit much. Very much in character for him, but I wish he hadn't done it. She would have got there on her own if he had kept talking to her, but instead he literally forced all the bottled up anger back inside her.
Also, dude, you're in a forest! Wearing a wooden body! Asking an enraged fire elemental to take her anger out on you! Do you not think, Ysengrin?!
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Post by agasa on Oct 14, 2015 12:59:38 GMT
That old wolf is my new hero. And he's a better dad than mine, and Anthony too. And he's every bit as apparently reckless as I expect him to be. That said, and I think my opinion will not be popular here, I'm very iffy about him just snapping her blinker stone/soul jar. Ah, that old piece of glass. The power was in her all along! Also, actually, they're a semi-available commodity, even if a bit rare, and not at all soul jars. They're just catalysts. Wanna hug him. |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 14, 2015 13:15:10 GMT
Ooh! Panel 4! I just realised Ysengrin knows a *lot* more about Tony than he's been letting on! He probably had a talk with Coyote on the entire matter. Pretty sure Coyote was hoping Ysengrin would do something of the sort.
I like this chapter.
Or he had a talk with helpful Andrew. He could be holding Bunnyboy back, because he perceived the daring drama. Or it could be preplanned by the duo. |
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Post by keef on Oct 14, 2015 13:37:45 GMT
That said, and I think my opinion will not be popular here, I'm very iffy about him just snapping her blinker stone/soul jar. Telling her off was fine, but forcing the issue the way he did seems to be a bit much. Very much in character for him, but I wish he hadn't done it. She would have got there on her own if he had kept talking to her, but instead he literally forced all the bottled up anger back inside her. You're right. Now I think it's strange I focussed so much on Ysengrin when I first saw this page. I was a bit fed up with this passive "let's act like a 9 year old because daddy father likes that" Annie. She is in tatters now. And apart from that, she was so happy with her blinker stone. You can't just crash that. Isn't it good North-English Wood? Every page of it. |
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Post by nero on Oct 14, 2015 13:53:56 GMT
I think Ysengrin is a good father figure for Annie because he actually confronts her issues, and praises her at the appropriate times. He never ignored Annie when he was in control of himself.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 14, 2015 14:16:25 GMT
He probably had a talk with Coyote on the entire matter. Pretty sure Coyote was hoping Ysengrin would do something of the sort.
I like this chapter.
Or he had a talk with helpful Andrew. He could be holding Bunnyboy back, because he perceived the daring drama. Or it could be preplanned by the duo. I seriously doubt it's preplanned, I think it's just that Andrew knows Annie well enough to know about her fire elemental and her anger. Anyways, as others said, that's quite some balls Ys is displaying (figuratively of course), I wonder if he has some mechanism to protect himself and the surrounding woods from the inevitable flames. |
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Post by Felliss on Oct 14, 2015 14:24:10 GMT
Makes me wonder if Smitty played at least some tiny role in this. We know he's been to the forest at least once since Tony returned and talked with Ynsengrin.
Or if he expected something like this would happen.
Maybe Coyote reminding Annie of her promise wasn't just so she would fulfil it? I'm probably reaching here, though.
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Post by autumnrook on Oct 14, 2015 14:24:45 GMT
Ooooh, I hope so! It's the safest scenario and still lets Annie vent her emotions. It would also make for some gorgeous artwork! |
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Post by aline on Oct 14, 2015 14:29:39 GMT
While everyone else in the story (perhaps minus Donald, and I suppose Rey but we haven't really seen him in several chapters) had been content to let Annie's new status quo abide You're a bit harsh. Many people wanted to help, and tried to take some sort of supportive action. Kat (sending parents into action, maintaining contact with secret talky walky, damage control with the Rey situation), the Donlans (trying to talk to Tony, letting Annie know what was really the deal with her dad), Annie's classmates (awkwardly trying to show their support with a card), Smitty and Parley (Talking to Coyote, helping Kat break into Tony's house). Coyote's help was groundbreaking, but wouldn't the situation be a lot worse without everything Annie's friends did?
They are two reasons they couldn't be very effective: - Tony was backed up by the Court on this one. No appeal there. - They had no freakin' clue what Annie had done to herself. Because of that, they couldn't properly reach out to her or confront her on it
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Post by jda on Oct 14, 2015 14:49:57 GMT
Primal scream in 5, 4, 3...wait for it. Damn if Ysengrin the best ever at this moment. Well, I'd take one of the fore-mentioned mashmallows now. We all know this is coming...  |
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Post by calpal on Oct 14, 2015 14:53:26 GMT
Truth be told, I thought this was going to be an issue that Annie would solve on her own time, finding her own inner strength and whatnot. Ysengrin... seems to be an impatient fellow.
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Post by jda on Oct 14, 2015 15:03:21 GMT
Beautiful art again. Ys is majestic. Sunglasses on for next page. Daedalus knew it forehand!   |
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Post by atteSmythe on Oct 14, 2015 15:03:53 GMT
Or has one nearby. I just realised that it's been ages since I posted anything here, but right now I've just got to applaud to Ysengrin. Who would have thought that the best insight comes from the mouth of a 20-foot tall tree wolf? ...who wouldn't? |
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Post by smjjames on Oct 14, 2015 17:20:55 GMT
Primal scream in 5, 4, 3...wait for it. Damn if Ysengrin the best ever at this moment. Well, I'd take one of the fore-mentioned mashmallows now. We all know this is coming... Bonus points if Annie actually does the pose while firestorming. Speaking of which, it seems like Anthony and rabbit-boy should be backing up even further. Also, Ysengrins mention of creatures which can control fire several chapters ago suggests that he knows how to deal with creatures that have that capability. |
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Post by Per on Oct 14, 2015 17:27:16 GMT
Live wood isn't actually inflammable.
(Is "live wood" correct Englishian? Living wood? Green wood? Unseasoned wood? Non-dry wood?)
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Post by deuswyvern on Oct 14, 2015 17:56:36 GMT
Frankly, I'm not even sure what the point of this arc has been. It wasn't a reflection of her true self, since she had to magically alter her personality. It isn't a trial she had to overcome, she is basically freed from the situation by a stronger party removing her without her own consent. Annie had effectively stopped acting as a character for the past few chapters and I can't think of a good reason for it anymore. Maybe I should be relieved that we are moving on, but honestly this chapter is just making things worse.
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Post by l33tninja on Oct 14, 2015 17:57:38 GMT
Ysengrin: Therapist extraordinaire
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Post by Trillium on Oct 14, 2015 18:00:54 GMT
Live wood isn't actually inflammable. No, it doesn't and fresh cut wood is set aside to cure before burning. Also wood has to be green and flexible or it would just snap when twisting and turning. Now wolf fur might singe or scorch but then Ysengrin isn't your average wolf. Yes, this all seems sudden if not harsh but Annie may be in the safest place to have this intervention. The forest has usually been safer than the Court. It's just Annie, Ysengrin, Smitty and bunny boy. No other witnesses. Oh, maybe Coyote is hanging out on the fringe edge of things somewhere. I think just having Smitty there will help. If Smitty is there can Parley be far behind if things get really hairy? Friday! Friday! Friday! |
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Post by matoyak on Oct 14, 2015 18:09:22 GMT
Live wood isn't actually inflammable. (Is "live wood" correct Englishian? Living wood? Green wood? Unseasoned wood? Non-dry wood?) Living wood or green wood, either one works. Though I think you may have meant "...isn't actually flammable." Inflammable means "not able to be burned". Flammable is the one that means "able to be burned" Though I'm not quite sure where you're going with it, as living/green wood is actually flammable, it merely takes more heat and more time. You see this in forest fires that start with the deadwood and underbrush but eventually take out the living trees too. |
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Post by Shire on Oct 14, 2015 18:15:22 GMT
I think Ysengrin is a good father figure for Annie because he actually confronts her issues, and praises her at the appropriate times. He never ignored Annie when he was in control of himself. Yeah, Ysengrin makes a good father figure for Annie. And he's tried to kill her more than anyone! |
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Post by pxc on Oct 14, 2015 18:20:45 GMT
Frankly, I'm not even sure what the point of this arc has been. It wasn't a reflection of her true self, since she had to magically alter her personality. It isn't a trial she had to overcome, she is basically freed from the situation by a stronger party removing her without her own consent. Annie had effectively stopped acting as a character for the past few chapters and I can't think of a good reason for it anymore. Maybe I should be relieved that we are moving on, but honestly this chapter is just making things worse. She's not free of anything yet though. Once her anger/fire returns, she has to figure out how to exist with it. There is still a lot for her to do. We're not close to the end yet. |
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Post by Per on Oct 14, 2015 18:27:02 GMT
Though I think you may have meant "...isn't actually flammable." Inflammable means "not able to be burned". Nope, that's not where my Englishian failed me.  Though I'm not quite sure where you're going with it, as living/green wood is actually flammable, it merely takes more heat and more time. Where I'm going is that this is not something that sets Ysengrin apart from the vast majority of characters. |
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Post by Shire on Oct 14, 2015 18:46:09 GMT
Though I think you may have meant "...isn't actually flammable." Inflammable means "not able to be burned". Flammable is the one that means "able to be burned" Actually, inflammable and flammable are synonymous; they both mean "easily set on fire". The "in-" in inflammable is not the negative "in-" prefix you'd think it was but is instead derived from the prefix "un-", meaning "to cause something to be in". Like "ensnare", for instance. |
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Post by yla on Oct 14, 2015 18:50:32 GMT
THANK YOU YSENGRIN
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 14, 2015 19:32:46 GMT
Inflammable means "not able to be burned". Flammable is the one that means "able to be burned" I hate to be this guy, and someone may have preempted me, but both "flammable" and "inflammable" mean 'easily set on fire'. Despite that "in" indicates "not" under normal circumstances. Because English is stupid  EDIT: Shire beat me to it haha |
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Post by deuswyvern on Oct 14, 2015 19:37:10 GMT
Frankly, I'm not even sure what the point of this arc has been. It wasn't a reflection of her true self, since she had to magically alter her personality. It isn't a trial she had to overcome, she is basically freed from the situation by a stronger party removing her without her own consent. Annie had effectively stopped acting as a character for the past few chapters and I can't think of a good reason for it anymore. Maybe I should be relieved that we are moving on, but honestly this chapter is just making things worse. She's not free of anything yet though. Once her anger/fire returns, she has to figure out how to exist with it. There is still a lot for her to do. We're not close to the end yet. I agree that there's a lot she needs to acomplish still, which is why I don't understand why we had to be subjected to the past few chapters. Why not just start with her acting in accordance with her character? Instead she magically gives her self a more passive persona. I thought that maybe it was necessary for her to act like that, but I can't see how if she isn't even the one who returns herself to normal. |
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Post by elebenty on Oct 14, 2015 20:05:20 GMT
Damn onion-cutting ninjas. I love how eloquently Ys is able to remind Annie of who she is. Funny when you remember his vocabulary used to be sparse and grunt-sprinkled. I think mentioning that Tony only sees "the ghost of his dead wife" may sink in as well. Acting like a ghost of herself just feeds into the big miasma of SNAFU she's been living in. If she begins setting her self apart from her mom by being her true self, her relationship with Tony may start evolving as well. No matter what the next page will not be stagnant. It will be a combination of spring and fall. Some destruction and hopefully new beginnings as well. (Thanks, Smitty!) ...living/green wood is actually flammable, it merely takes more heat and more time. You see this in forest fires that start with the deadwood and underbrush but eventually take out the living trees too. Unfortunately true. (From someone who spent a solid month this summer breathing in smoke from the hundreds of wildfires in the Pacific Northwest.) |
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