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Post by knightingale on Sept 18, 2015 8:23:38 GMT
I can't help feeling the abstractions are a worrying sign of Coyote's thought processes, and I'm afraid to see how terrifying the cute art style is going to get when he gets to the parts that piss him off. D Welp. Thar she blows. Waiting for subsequent pages to descend into spirally sketchy madness like the title page, but I'm also curious how long this chapter is going to be, since it feels nigh-unsustainable at this pace. What a peculiar pose Tony's in -- broken and twisted, yes, but also relatively static compared to anything else. Can't quite decide if the bit with Annie is literal (as in he's in the room and has placed himself between Annie and Coyote) or figurative, given the narrative. He almost looks protective of Annie there, but I'm sure that's the last thing Coyote gives a shit about. |
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Post by darththulhu on Sept 18, 2015 8:33:37 GMT
I'd say the court doesn't already know that. You don't poke a bear and you don't try to play power games with Coyote. Unless one plans on eventually killing/controlling the bear and eventually killing/controlling Coyote. In the modern world, all bears are endangered species that live or go extinct at modern humanity's whim. All wolves and all great cats and all coyotes likewise. Humans poke the bear all the time, with utter impunity. We fully expect to get away with it, because if the bear gives us any guff we can pump it full of lead or tranq it and imprison it and euthanize it at our leisure. Not the wisest plan, certainly, because the end result is that we probably render all these species extinct in our domination of them. Then we get to uselessly mourn and regret their loss when it's way too late to actually get them back. Regardless of whether or not it will succeed, the Court is unwisely trying to grow into a position to dominate and defang Coyote. If they fail, it's a temporary catastrophe, but even if they succeed, it is a long-term catastrophe, since killing/controlling Coyote and the Forest will quite possibly destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs that make the Court function. The Court gave up on sincere diplomacy with the Forest a long, long, long time ago. That's why Annie the Medium was such a threat. The Court has been deliberately moving toward an end goal of Domination since the first founders. They aren't ignorantly provoking a powerful force ... they're aggressively provoking well-known forces, testing their always-expanding capacity to dominate and enslave those forces. Jeanne is where their efforts began, not where their efforts ended. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but sooner or later the multiplying etheric power compounded over generations will prompt some factions within the Court to provoke (another) war with the Forest, with the usual rationalizations ("Ysengrin is insane!" and "Coyote is a dangerous threat!"), fully looking to win. |
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Post by rafk on Sept 18, 2015 8:55:18 GMT
I love the art of this chapter.
I love the pace.
I can't help think that Coyote is dancing to the Court's tune here, though, and that perhaps this is the whole point of what they have been doing to Anthony and Annie for years.
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Post by hypixion on Sept 18, 2015 8:59:34 GMT
Noticed the buildings have roots, so that the court grew from the seed of bismuth could be literal...
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Post by philman on Sept 18, 2015 9:13:39 GMT
Uh oh...
Will this start a war? Will this be the excuse the court have been waiting for to unleash some big etheric weapon on coyote? Will this push Annie to finally pull herself together (literally), or will that take something else? I reckon it might be an intervention, or direct threat to Kat, that finally causes her to pull out of her funk. the theme of their friendship has been running through this comic from the start, and would make it fairly fitting.
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Post by sherni on Sept 18, 2015 10:08:36 GMT
So much detail in this page, but we only get to see Coyote's point of view.
His pose in the first panel is rather odd. What exactly is it supposed to show? Gnawing at the ground in frustration as a result of talking with Anthony?
And what did Anthony say to him to make him that angry? Let's hope this doesn't spark off a full on war. This might just be the opportunity the Court has been waiting for. I hope no one was in that building, though...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 18, 2015 10:25:34 GMT
After meditating on this page for a while I wondered if Anthony's standard operating procedure for dealing with people (including hidden desire or self-fulfilling prophesy for hatred/punishment?) was as much a factor as his desire to protect Antimony in him saying whatever he said that set off Coyote. For all the Court *may* have disrespected Coyote in the past they seem to have avoided consequences beyond that one death; we know from the Renard/Renardine the Court has pulled stuff in the past, so I guess the lack of more bad happening shows how good and/or attractive a medium Surma was and how effective the Court's strategy has been in the past. But maybe also the Court has started buying into its own propaganda about Coyote, as a victim of its own success. Good thing for Anthony he has Antimony as an excuse else the Court might be pissed at him for going off-script. Not entirely sure he'll get away with it unscathed, though. But he'd probably like that. Even though this is another demonstration that there are some things he can't control it does put him in the center of things.
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Post by madragoran on Sept 18, 2015 10:42:23 GMT
*happy noises* Coyote is furious! All teeth and two bulging eyes! If someone knocked one of my buildings down it'd mean war though. So either Coyote is somewhat easily led into starting the war or he has a plan of his own. The thing is that Coyote knew Anthony. But he is not naming him. Anthony is not "the" broken man, he is "a" broken man. Unless Anthony is unimportant to Coyote. So he doesn't deserve a name. The thing is we are not sure we can trust Coyote's stories. He is an unreliable narrator. He will not lie but he will present things with a bias. Oh well! I am just enjoying this so much. Come on Monday.
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Post by todd on Sept 18, 2015 12:43:31 GMT
If either side wants a war, this could prove to be a fatal error. Judging from what I've seen so far, such a conflict would probably result in nothing left of the Court and the Wood alike except an enormous smoldering crater - and probably Muut and the other Guides looking down at it, Muut saying with a sigh "Looks like we're going to be working overtime".
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Post by storyteller on Sept 18, 2015 12:49:06 GMT
Uh oh... Will this start a war? Will this be the excuse the court have been waiting for to unleash some big etheric weapon on coyote? Will this push Annie to finally pull herself together (literally), or will that take something else? I reckon it might be an intervention, or direct threat to Kat, that finally causes her to pull out of her funk. the theme of their friendship has been running through this comic from the start, and would make it fairly fitting. I am finding people referring to Coyote starting a war very confusing. He actually has not broken his word, really. His promise was to not interfere with Court Business. Annie is not Court Business though, she was named Forest Medium. Not only that, she was made an honorary citizen of the Forest. As the following pages remove the Court's protection, it is kinda implied that she has the protections given to Forest citizens. By Coyote's reaction, what Annie has done to herself may be (likely is) mutilation in the Forest's eyes. Coyote may be toppling buildings, because the Forest Ambassador has been mutilated while she was visiting a foreign body.And as it was Tony, a member of the Court that pushed Annie over the edge, it could be seen as a psychological attack. Now, we know it wasn't meant to be, except for receiving the control of Renard (which is another reason for Coyote to be mad) but as history can attest (WWI) that often perception is more important than reality when it comes to politics. To Coyote, this may already be war. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 18, 2015 13:33:19 GMT
We a tokusatsu kaiju film now, I guess. The classic "Godzilla roar" played in my head, when I looked at the last frame. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Sept 18, 2015 13:44:40 GMT
Time to call in the court equivalent of a megazord.
Didn't think Coyote would go from zero to force of nature so quickly.
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Post by fwip on Sept 18, 2015 14:05:03 GMT
I don't see how the court could not have foreseen Coyote's displeasure. I'm sure that they've anticipated the possibility of something like this happening, maybe even have countermeasures in place. In this case, though, they're in the wrong. Coyote is portrayed as animalistic, here. He sees the Court members truthfully, but at the same time he probably misses a lot of the subtle nuances of the situation. I could see things being bad for him in the next couple of pages.
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 18, 2015 14:06:20 GMT
*The comic shifts back to normal style.*
Coyote: "... and then we sat down for some tea."
Andrew: "Yes... We know all that. We were there... That was Parley's classes residence."
Parley glares.
It looks pretty hostile. But considering the child-like style so far (and Coyote's nature), the next comic could be him doing an emotional 180, and him taking a calmer route to aid his medium.
Or not. She is an official resident of the Forest.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 18, 2015 14:24:38 GMT
Hmm... it looks almost like Coyote for some reason is not content with being shown a blundering loonie as the fall guy. Don't we all run into a little surprise from time to time? Tip: even when you have an opportunity to treat a god dismissively in the face (or whatever passes for his/her/its face in a given case), the other side is under no obligation to take such crap at all, let alone longer than this remains amusing. You'd think it's reasonably obvious, yet... |
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Post by storyteller on Sept 18, 2015 14:34:25 GMT
I don't see how the court could not have foreseen Coyote's displeasure. I'm sure that they've anticipated the possibility of something like this happening, maybe even have countermeasures in place. In this case, though, they're in the wrong. Coyote is portrayed as animalistic, here. He sees the Court members truthfully, but at the same time he probably misses a lot of the subtle nuances of the situation. I could see things being bad for him in the next couple of pages. Bad or not, Coyote kinda has to respond to this. Child or not, Annie is his ambassador and the Court has been playing roughshod with the Forest for a while. First it was with Renard, who technically invaded the Court, and caused one death in doing so. To hold Renard, the Court had the Forest dead to rights. Annie's crime is: cheating on homework. From a Forest stand point, who honestly I am not sure would care about the cheating, she is being held away from 'home'. Annie is very well liked in the Forest after all, and anyway capture of an ambassador is kinda a big deal after all, the Court has always been disrespectful (not that Coyote is much better), but it is definitely escalating. If Coyote let this go without any action, it would be the equivalent of the Forest rolling over. |
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on Sept 18, 2015 14:57:52 GMT
I am sure "little building" means no more than 30 or 40 stories, tops. Only one little building? Clear proof that the anger management classes Coyote enrolled in have been a success!  |
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Post by csj on Sept 18, 2015 15:52:40 GMT
tree coyote; best coyote
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Post by linkzeldi on Sept 18, 2015 16:04:10 GMT
I guess we can add made Coyote so mad that coyote pushed down a building to the list of things Anthony did wrong.
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Post by Trillium on Sept 18, 2015 16:21:10 GMT
Hmm... it looks almost like Coyote for some reason is not content with being shown a blundering loonie as the fall guy. Don't we all run into a little surprise from time to time? Tip: even when you have an opportunity to treat a god dismissively in the face (or whatever passes for his/her/its face in a given case), the other side is under no obligation to take such crap at all, let alone longer than this remains amusing. You'd think it's reasonably obvious, yet... In body language it looks like Tony is being thrown to Coyote and next he is jumping back. None of this has impressed Coyote. HE came to find the girl HE befriended and enjoyed playing with in the Forest. I'm sure HE hasn't forgotten that The Court didn't want the girl to have anything more to do with the Forest. She was supposed to be the next Court medium but they chose mighty eyebrows boy. So Coyote chose the girl to be the Forest's medium. Now The Court has interfered with Coyote's friend, keeps her from visiting and has changed her. As explanation they have thrown Coyote a Broken Man as if he were a bone and Coyote a simple pup. This is The Court's fault and Coyote has shown his displeasure. Pandimonium now reigns. An enraged Coyote has toppled a building. Look at all the buildings he can topple. Oh that there were someone who can make order out of chaos and sort out this situation like a really good medium. |
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Post by l33tninja on Sept 18, 2015 16:27:19 GMT
I am sure "little building" means no more than 30 or 40 stories, tops. Sarcasm is definitely in Coyote's wheelhouse |
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Post by l33tninja on Sept 18, 2015 16:30:42 GMT
I think the court is using Anthony as a fall guy here to cover their own actions.
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Post by hnau on Sept 18, 2015 16:50:22 GMT
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Post by Sky Schemer on Sept 18, 2015 17:24:19 GMT
I think the court is using Anthony as a fall guy here to cover their own actions. But Fire Head Girl knows the truth, or at least Tony's side of the story. So that should make things more interesting. Or, maybe Coyote pushed one of those buildings over because he was told the "it's Anthony's fault" story and he's not buying it. He is the trickster after all. Spotting a deception would kinda be his thing. |
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Post by keef on Sept 18, 2015 17:48:59 GMT
Stylistically, I love the renderings of the phrase "Broken Man". The crack of negative space splitting across it is exactly like the physical wall-crack bisecting Annie's head back at the start of the Microsat 5 chapter. Father and daughter share the same kind of spiritual brokenness. Nice catch. I don't know if it was intended, but nice anyway It made the translation of today's page a bit challenging. Probably I made it more complex than necessary  |
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Post by attiem on Sept 18, 2015 19:37:19 GMT
Are moments like this (the crack in Tony) added to past things (the crack in Annie, Rey, Jim, etc) that really drive home, to me, what a devastating trail of destruction Surma left in her wake, she was truly something.
I wonder if this will all end in war, the domino pieces she let fall years ago toppling buildings now.
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Post by l33tninja on Sept 18, 2015 20:58:49 GMT
I think the court is using Anthony as a fall guy here to cover their own actions. But Fire Head Girl knows the truth, or at least Tony's side of the story. So that should make things more interesting. Or, maybe Coyote pushed one of those buildings over because he was told the "it's Anthony's fault" story and he's not buying it. He is the trickster after all. Spotting a deception would kinda be his thing. I think the Court might have underestimated how loyal Coyote is to HIS people; and Annie is one of his. He might be a trickster, but nobody pushes their buttons but him. |
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Post by crater on Sept 18, 2015 23:57:28 GMT
So.... this is the power of Coyote's friendship
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2015 0:28:54 GMT
Annie's crime is: cheating on homework. Officially. The real reason is that the Court was unhappy about her meddling. Her cheating was just the pretext for those restrictions. |
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2015 0:31:19 GMT
Oh that there were someone who can make order out of chaos and sort out this situation like a really good medium. I think this is beyond even Smith's ability to fix. |
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