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Post by corruptuser on Aug 16, 2015 8:41:08 GMT
For all those commenting about how Annie's Fire is actually Surma, it's not; it's Surma's mother. And her mother before her, and her mother before her. It was the original fire elemental that mated with a human, and the fire elemental that mated before that. I don't know how fire elementals reproduce; if they can only have 1 child each they would all go extinct; perhaps "pure" elementals can give birth to a dozen flames when dying, or not die, but only hybrids are doomed. Doesn't really matter I suppose.
We don't even know if hybrids can only give birth to daughters. I mean, what if Annie found another hybrid fire elemental like herself? Would her child take the fire from her or her husband, or both?
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Post by sable0aria on Aug 16, 2015 12:41:46 GMT
For all those commenting about how Annie's Fire is actually Surma, it's not; it's Surma's mother. And her mother before her, and her mother before her. It was the original fire elemental that mated with a human, and the fire elemental that mated before that. I don't know how fire elementals reproduce; if they can only have 1 child each they would all go extinct; perhaps "pure" elementals can give birth to a dozen flames when dying, or not die, but only hybrids are doomed. Doesn't really matter I suppose. We don't even know if hybrids can only give birth to daughters. I mean, what if Annie found another hybrid fire elemental like herself? Would her child take the fire from her or her husband, or both? I was thinking about that myself. I wonder if twins would be born in that situation. |
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Post by emmau on Aug 16, 2015 13:31:21 GMT
If he was trying to contact Surma and got Annie's inner fire instead, because it was previously Surma's fire... Does that mean the fire elemental in Annie's room is technically Surma? Yes, or what is left of her. And of all her foremothers.
Well, it was a rhetorical question, but thank you for answering, anyway~ |
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Post by warrl on Aug 16, 2015 18:08:34 GMT
Well, it was a rhetorical question, but thank you for answering, anyway~ What if there were no rhetorical questions? |
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Post by elebenty on Aug 16, 2015 19:00:28 GMT
"One time - a fluke, two - smells fishy, three - ?" Three would be the whole shark. (Although, technically, sharks and other fish don't have THAT kind of fluke. But I don't know if killer whales smell fishy - I would guess not.) Their breath probably would.
Red: Stay away from the killer whales, they eat fairies.
Blue: What? Who told you that?
Red: Lindsey said their breath smelled seelie.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 16, 2015 20:38:25 GMT
So... he made a call through some strange cave, but how the supplies arrived wherever-he-was?
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Post by justcurious on Aug 16, 2015 23:27:18 GMT
We haven't seen Renard so far. I'm guessing that Tony has put him somewhere that he thinks that he can't hear what he is saying. This might be futile because Renard can go into the Ether and spy from there. In fact I expect we might hear from him soon. He may be the person most suited to tearing a strip off Tony.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 17, 2015 2:53:09 GMT
So... he made a call through some strange cave, but how the supplies arrived wherever-he-was? C.O.D.? |
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Post by mordekai on Aug 17, 2015 3:39:17 GMT
So... he made a call through some strange cave, but how the supplies arrived wherever-he-was? He wasn't in a strange cave. His body was somewhere microsat 5 could reach, while his mind was hallucinating about that strange cave. I guess that was how the Court found him. They tracked microsat 5 to its destination. |
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Post by sherni on Aug 17, 2015 4:39:00 GMT
Anthony needed (and still needs) some serious grief counselling. It's kinda touching to see how much he loved Surma, but his behaviour went straight into disturbing obsession territory with his actions here. It also looks like he didn't bother with the ether until she passed away which wasn't very bright of him, because it would have, at the very least, answered a lot of his questions. This also might explain why he dismisses Annie's work with Forest as nonsense here. Since his attempt failed, the ether doesn't work. Therefore, it's nonsense and he doesn't want his daughter to have any part of it. Of course, the fact that he went into it with no clue as to what he was doing and put his trust in some VERY shady critters has no relevance in this at all. Anthony seems to have a rather Manichean point of view. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 17, 2015 5:17:54 GMT
You know, this particular page made me wonder whether Tony, while obviously full of himself, pretends to be a greater fool than he is, especially in the etheric matters - that is, he does in fact have something up his sleeve, just doesn't like it. And who exactly taught Annie to use those lockpicks. Except Don doesn't know what happened re: Annie passing out. In fact, Zimmy is the only person who actually knows what really happened that day. She was talking to Kat in process. ? |
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 17, 2015 6:53:30 GMT
While I'm not willing to go so far as to say Rotting-Pig-Bro Psychopomp is somehow Coyote in disguise, I am rather curious just whose dead Rotting-Pig-Bro is in charge of taking to the Ether. My guess: Rotting-Pig-Bro is actually one of the reasons the psychopomps are in a hurry to get to the newly dead quickly. It (and its kind) are products of human nightmares. Not psychopomps, they have some other use for the dead. Tony seems very much on the edge of crazy. Which edge: near, or far? Boy, now THAT would be a bummer, not only did his plan not work, it was probably never meant to succeed in the first place and they were just dicking with him. |
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Post by Per on Aug 17, 2015 11:37:16 GMT
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Post by Trillium on Aug 17, 2015 16:43:35 GMT
I've been wondering, what Zimmy would see if she met Anthony? |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 17, 2015 18:05:18 GMT
You know, this particular page made me wonder whether Tony, while obviously full of himself, pretends to be a greater fool than he is, especially in the etheric matters - that is, he does in fact have something up his sleeve, just doesn't like it. And who exactly taught Annie to use those lockpicks. Except Don doesn't know what happened re: Annie passing out. In fact, Zimmy is the only person who actually knows what really happened that day. She was talking to Kat in process. ? It seems Zimmy's powers affected you as well: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1052 |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 17, 2015 23:39:49 GMT
Strictly speaking, Gamma would remember as well, since it's almost certain that Zimmy would have told her. And Kat and Annie remember it as a dream, but Annie might recognize it as more than that when Tony recounts the story from his perspective. We'll have to see... |
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Post by Bill on Aug 18, 2015 0:55:31 GMT
edzepp, psybershadow, et al: What we need right now is a good heart-to-heart among all of the characters, where everyone explains their motivations and justifications. But we're not going to get that, because then there wouldn't be conflict nor a story. So the best we can reasonably hope for is somewhere in the realm of: - Donny debriefs Tony on what's happened since he was gone. - Tony has moment of horror when he realizes he almost killed his daughter. - Tony and Annie start to heal their relationship. Talking about Surma? - Tony tells Annie his reasons that he's given here*. - Tony and Kat have some kind of talk (possible with shouting). - Tony gives his reasons and Kat calls him out on the fact that it still doesn't excuse cutting off contact completely, nor how he treated Annie upon returning. -  ? *Yes, she can hear them, but Tony doesn't know that yet, so it's a mark of trust if he tells her of his own free will. Oh, come now, all we need is Zimmy, Gamma, Tony, Annie, Kat, Robot, Renard, and probably Donald in the same room and all willing to talk and listen. Very quickly two things would happen: - Zimmy demands to know what Tony was doing to put Annie in a coma / Zimmy asks (tauntingly) if the broken face was from her punch - We get the current conversation/confession and all that we hope and dream will come of it - Zimmy complains about being around Kat again, possible description of how she looks - Robot asserts that Kat is an angel - Zimmy is unsure whether to be more or less terrified of Kat - Either Annie or Renard make the connection to Coyote's Great Secret Theory - Annie explains - Everyone in shock - Zimmy even more unsure, leaning towards terror/fearful respect split - Robot very pleased, does not reveal this - Annie kind of excited about the possibility - Kat and Tony resistant to the idea, but the plausibility nags at the backs of their minds - Kat redoubles her robotics efforts - Donald doesn't know whether to be disbelieving, proud, or horrified As more participants are added, a discussion moderator becomes necessary. I nominate Jones. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 18, 2015 2:36:17 GMT
Really? I'm the only one who mentioned Hand of Glory? We're well into 5th page. The Aprils Fools raid really dropped the forum's quality.  They remember it as a dream. And even discussed whether Anthony "caused this somehow". And now Annie can put 2 and 2 together. |
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