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Post by pxc on Aug 5, 2015 20:17:52 GMT
The moment that Tony recognizes that his actions can't be excuse and does the right thing, then I'd be inclined to give the character more of a break. This is something good to keep in mind. Other than a few excessively angry people, I think most would like to see true contrition from Tony. An explanation and apology to Annie, more warmth and respect and support as a father going forward, etc. That is what would be best for Annie after all. No one so far in this comic (except Hetty I guess, she was probably the most foul character) has been beyond saving. But simply saying he feels bad isn't enough. There need to be active, intentional, positive steps toward reconciliation first. |
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Post by kelantar on Aug 5, 2015 20:47:12 GMT
Ha! Sweet vindication for those of us who've remained loyal to Team Tony. I look forward to all y'all scrabbling to find new and inventive ways to demonize a guilt-stricken man with probable PTSD. First of all, I have never heard anyone say that a person has PTSD because they become sad when a person they love who has been dying for twelve years has finally passed. But that's not even a valid excuse for abuse even from people who actually do have PTSD. I have never doubted that Anthony has reasons for the things that he did. I did (and still do), however, believe that his reasons aren't good enough to be treating his daughter like utter crap. If he's aware that he's not there for her like he should be, that makes it inexcusable that he would separate her from the people she does have, like her classmates, Rey, and her friends in the forest. |
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Post by mordekai on Aug 5, 2015 20:50:43 GMT
Also, is this going to turn into another "immortality is bad, dying is good" Fantastic Aesop? Because that only works if you're in a universe with a confirmed afterlife, which is exactly what is not happening here. Yep. When I read about one of those stories, I always think that many people (maybe most) would adapt to it. Human beings have an great capacity of adaptation. An immortal would lose everybody he or she cares about, but you know what? Everybody is going to lose many of loved ones, unless you die young. You should better not marry or have children, but many people don't marry or have children by their own choice. An immortal would stop forming relationships and become very lonely for fear to losing friends? There are many lonely mortals. And an immortal wouldn't need to remain lonely forever, he or she could move every twenty or thirty years or so to avoid watching his or her friends die and seek new friends elsewhere. An immortal would get bored? Bullshit. There are a ton of things I want to do and I keep postponing them due to work, lack of time...etc. If I were immortal I would learn to write novels, to play music, to paint, to sculpt, martial arts, skying, archery, I would travel all the world, learn many languages...etc. An immortal would probably have trouble keeping with the advences of technology, but that would be a real problem only for the last two or so centuries. Before that technology advanced so slowly that you would have plenty of time to adapt. |
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Post by matoyak on Aug 5, 2015 20:59:31 GMT
Ha! Sweet vindication for those of us who've remained loyal to Team Tony. I look forward to all y'all scrabbling to find new and inventive ways to demonize a guilt-stricken man with probable PTSD. First of all, I have never heard anyone say that a person has PTSD because they become sad when a person they love who has been dying for twelve years has finally passed. I would have to assume the PTSD would be from the loss of hand and permanent scarring, rather than death of a loved one. (Now, I don't think he has that, nor do I think it would somehow justify his behavior [explain it, maybe, possibly, but not justify it], especially as it's his fault entirely that it happened IF it happened because of the bone laser thing). |
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 5, 2015 21:10:21 GMT
Ha! Sweet vindication for those of us who've remained loyal to Team Tony. I look forward to all y'all scrabbling to find new and inventive ways to demonize a guilt-stricken man with probable PTSD. First of all, I have never heard anyone say that a person has PTSD because they become sad when a person they love who has been dying for twelve years has finally passed. But that's not even a valid excuse for abuse even from people who actually do have PTSD. I have never doubted that Anthony has reasons for the things that he did. I did (and still do), however, believe that his reasons aren't good enough to be treating his daughter like utter crap. If he's aware that he's not there for her like he should be, that makes it inexcusable that he would separate her from the people she does have, like her classmates, Rey, and her friends in the forest. Not to mention that trying to pass the blame off someone for questionable actions because of something like PTSD or autism is pretty much a slap in the face to those who have symptoms of either yet strives to do better towards others (speaking as an autistic). Even if either were true, Tony's problem is still an unwillingness to change or improve on himself because aside from blaming himself for Surma's death, he tends to think he knows best in everything else. |
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Post by Refugee on Aug 5, 2015 21:18:22 GMT
Ha! Sweet vindication for those of us who've remained loyal to Team Tony. I look forward to all y'all scrabbling to find new and inventive ways to demonize a guilt-stricken man with probable PTSD. I can't count myself as an "Anthony loyalist" (instead, I held out for knowing what the heck was going on, and for recognizing that at least some of what he was doing was justified by Annie's cheating), but this moves me firmly into the anti-Tony camp. He is a weak and spiteful coward who, in order to avoid confronting his own sense of failure, has refused to even acknowledge Annie as his daughter, except to say how disappointed he is in her. I have hope that he and Annie can be reconciled. I'm interested in his view of the psychopomps, and how he will react to finding out that Annie is in regular communication with them, and has acted as one herself. But here we find that he is using Annie's cheating as an excuse to punish her for his own failings, which is inexcusable. (Forgivable, yes, but not excusable.) His actions confirm that he's a massive failure as a father. He had no chance of saving Surma (and his promise that he would do so was foolish to say the least), but he could well have been a good Father. === That said, I hope Don and Annie can help him begin to heal. He is severely wounded, in his soul as well as his body. But he brought it all on himself with his pride and arrogance. |
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Post by scalesandfins on Aug 5, 2015 21:56:36 GMT
First of all, I have never heard anyone say that a person has PTSD because they become sad when a person they love who has been dying for twelve years has finally passed. But that's not even a valid excuse for abuse even from people who actually do have PTSD. I have never doubted that Anthony has reasons for the things that he did. I did (and still do), however, believe that his reasons aren't good enough to be treating his daughter like utter crap. If he's aware that he's not there for her like he should be, that makes it inexcusable that he would separate her from the people she does have, like her classmates, Rey, and her friends in the forest. Not to mention that trying to pass the blame off someone for questionable actions because of something like PTSD or autism is pretty much a slap in the face to those who have symptoms of either yet strives to do better towards others (speaking as an autistic). Even if either were true, Tony's problem is still an unwillingness to change or improve on himself because aside from blaming himself for Surma's death, he tends to think he knows best in everything else. Okay, a lot of the discourse here on Anthony's behavior and possible underlying mental health issues has really been bothering me, as someone who deals with mental illness and who has a long family history of mental illness (including asd spectrum issues and PTSD). I find the mental health defense bizarre, I wonder if the people who are using it could possibly have any real experience with personal or family mental illness. I can't even begin to articulate how dangerous and alienating the attitude of "see, it's not his fault he's acting like this, he's austistic/has PTSD!" is to people who are currently struggling with trauma and mental health. Because it essentially says, if you are neurodivergent, if you have been traumatized, and if you find this having a devastating impact on your happiness and your relationships with others, it's not your responsibility to change that, and it's not society's responsibility to give you the opportunity to do so. Getting mental health treatment is very difficult in most of the world, and when I see this faux-supportive attidude of "well, he's just mentally ill, stop judging!" I think of all the people I know who have fought so, so hard to get access to help for their PTSD because they don't want to be in pain, and they don't want to put their children in pain. Because "stop judging, that's just the way they are", to me, is a code for "don't get help." If Anthony loves his daughter and wants to protect her from harm, but is unable due to his own issues of treating her any better than what we've seen, Anthony needs help. He doesn't need people saying "oh, that's just Anthony." If he's incapable of realizing how harmful his behavior is on his own, pointing it out isn't "hate", it's a key part of the recovery process. I do actually want Anthony to recover and to repair his relationship with Annie, but he can't get there if he's allowed to stay stuck in his own head, abusing his daughter out of some distorted sense of guilt. That doesn't change if his guilt is being reinforced by untreated mental health issues; in fact it makes them even more of a priority. |
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Post by arzeik on Aug 5, 2015 22:02:36 GMT
Ha! Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Every major character in this story is very flawed. I did not sympathize with Renard until much later in the comic, when he and Antimony began to have a stronger relationship. Critically, we saw his feelings of guilt and remorse over his attempted murder, and how he was willing to sacrifice himself to save her life. Recently, Annie abused her control over him, but it seems like he's not holding it against her. Ysengrin is a different case. He too started as a very dislikable and hostile character, but it was odd how he and Annie had also become close. When we saw how Coyote was destabilizing his sanity, it all clicked into place - he was noble except when posturing to the Court, or being mind-raped by Coyote. But he too showed as much remorse as was possible for his actions (due to his swiss-cheese brain), and he has tried to support and strengthen Annie later. I still think that Annie is wary around him as of this page, so perhaps there is further to go along this arc. In contrast, I feel bad for Tony's grief and self-blame over his wife's death. But he has not yet showed any remorse over how he treated his daughter. When/if he does that, his path towards redemption – the same path that Renard and to a lesser degree Ysengrin have already taken – might begin, and their parent-child relationship may be mended. Not to mention that two semi-murderous canine demigods have so far unambiguously proved to be more of an emotional support to Annie than her own father...Kind of says something, no? Repairing the relationship between Tony and Annie will probably taken another thousand pages, if it ever happens. Think about how long it took to go from here to here, after all... Sure. I'm not saying I like the guy. I still think that he's proven himself to be a horrible father, based on the suffering he's caused to Annie, whether his intentions were good or not, whether he truly cares about her or not. Intentions and reasons matter, I guess, but they don't fix anything on their own. What I was trying to say is that my opinion of Anthony is not as bad as it was a couple of chapters ago (not that it was too difficult), and my expectations of the whole thing ending in some way that doesn't include someone setting him of fire have since drastically increased. And that if he eventually does something to mend the whole mess he's caused and proves himself to be useful for something more than self-loathing and inept parenting, his past actions are not likely to be something that will make it impossible for me to think he's a good guy after all. |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2015 22:18:24 GMT
Ha! Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Every major character in this story is very flawed. I did not sympathize with Renard until much later in the comic, when he and Antimony began to have a stronger relationship. Critically, we saw his feelings of guilt and remorse over his attempted murder, and how he was willing to sacrifice himself to save her life. Recently, Annie abused her control over him, but it seems like he's not holding it against her. Ysengrin is a different case. He too started as a very dislikable and hostile character, but it was odd how he and Annie had also become close. When we saw how Coyote was destabilizing his sanity, it all clicked into place - he was noble except when posturing to the Court, or being mind-raped by Coyote. But he too showed as much remorse as was possible for his actions (due to his swiss-cheese brain), and he has tried to support and strengthen Annie later. I still think that Annie is wary around him as of this page, so perhaps there is further to go along this arc. In contrast, I feel bad for Tony's grief and self-blame over his wife's death. But he has not yet showed any remorse over how he treated his daughter. When/if he does that, his path towards redemption – the same path that Renard and to a lesser degree Ysengrin have already taken – might begin, and their parent-child relationship may be mended. Not to mention that two semi-murderous canine demigods have so far unambiguously proved to be more of an emotional support to Annie than her own father...Kind of says something, no? Repairing the relationship between Tony and Annie will probably taken another thousand pages, if it ever happens. Think about how long it took to go from here to here, after all... Sure. I'm not saying I like the guy. I still think that he's proven himself to be a horrible father, based on the suffering he's caused to Annie, whether his intentions were good or not, whether he truly cares about her or not. Intentions and reasons matter, I guess, but they don't fix anything on their own. What I was trying to say is that my opinion of Anthony is not as bad as it was a couple of chapters ago (not that it was too difficult), and my expectations of the whole thing ending in some way that doesn't include someone setting him of fire have since drastically increased. And that if he eventually does something to mend the whole mess he's caused and proves himself to be useful for something more than self-loathing and inept parenting, his past actions are not likely to be something that will make it impossible for me to think he's a good guy after all. I'm not actually disagreeing with you in my quote, I was just using your quote as a springboard for my musings about character parallels and contrasts in the comic  Also, I don't think that it makes you a terrible person to like Yssy-Ys and Rey better than Tony at the moment, heh. |
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Post by sherni on Aug 5, 2015 22:28:39 GMT
Huh. He does seem to love his daughter. I'm pleasantly surprised. I never thought that he was a monster, but I was fairly certain that he blamed Annie for Surma's death and hated her for it. But he blames himself, and he's trying to push Annie away because of his grief and guilt. A complete tragedy, all around.
But... that still makes him a self centred idiot. It was all about his grief, his guilt, his loss. Annie lost her mother. Did he have to deprive her of her father too? What about what she needs and wants? Can't he see how much he's hurting her by his actions. Tony, so you're not a spiteful jerk. You're a self centred, self pitying masochist. Donald, fix him.
Donald really does know Anthony very well. He knew all along that Anthony did not hate his daughter, and that was what he brought Annie along to learn. Kudoes to him for his faith in his friend.
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Post by justcurious on Aug 5, 2015 22:59:11 GMT
Both Annie and Tony have been displaying the same faults here. Both will wallow in unearned guilt when they fail rather than revise their estimate of their capabilities. Tony saw himself as bearing guilt for Surma's death rather than admit that saving her was beyond his capabilities.
Both have assumed that others share their poor estimates of themselves. Tony just assumed that Annie would blame him. Annie assumed that Kat would think she was stupid if she asked for help, she is not believing the support that she gets from her classmates and she believes that those in her new class are looking down on her.
Bot give in to despair in their dealings with others, in part I think, because it is the easy no effort thing to do.
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Post by Trillium on Aug 5, 2015 22:59:14 GMT
... Donald really does know Anthony very well. He knew all along that Anthony did not hate his daughter, and that was what he brought Annie along to learn. Kudoes to him for his faith in his friend. Donald believed Anthony was the same person, the friend he knew years ago. It was still a risk. Good for him still believing in his friend. What is up with Donald's eye glasses? The top of the frames are are moving now and again like they were eye brows. Have we ever seen Don's eye brows? |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2015 23:03:21 GMT
What is up with Donald's eye glasses? The top of the frames are are moving now and again like the were eye brows. Have we ever seen Don's eye brows? Donny does not in fact have glasses. He is a cyborg, built by Anja, and that is the only part of his face not to be covered in synthetic skin. in the span of a few weeks This is not in fact true. The beginning of The Tree was in March. Time flies when no one's having fun, doesn't it? This is a really good parallel, btw. |
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Post by justcurious on Aug 5, 2015 23:15:43 GMT
First of all, I have never heard anyone say that a person has PTSD because they become sad when a person they love who has been dying for twelve years has finally passed. But that's not even a valid excuse for abuse even from people who actually do have PTSD. I have never doubted that Anthony has reasons for the things that he did. I did (and still do), however, believe that his reasons aren't good enough to be treating his daughter like utter crap. If he's aware that he's not there for her like he should be, that makes it inexcusable that he would separate her from the people she does have, like her classmates, Rey, and her friends in the forest. Not to mention that trying to pass the blame off someone for questionable actions because of something like PTSD or autism is pretty much a slap in the face to those who have symptoms of either yet strives to do better towards others (speaking as an autistic). Even if either were true, Tony's problem is still an unwillingness to change or improve on himself because aside from blaming himself for Surma's death, he tends to think he knows best in everything else. I think most people have said that even if Tony has psychological problems such as Autism or Aspergers that partially explains but does not excuse his actions. He has not, to our knowledge, tried to deal with these problems and that is culpable. Aspergers would have contributed to Annie and Tony believing that others would share their poor opinions of themselves. But it does not excuse them for any harmful things they migh have done. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 5, 2015 23:15:46 GMT
What is up with Donald's eye glasses? The top of the frames are are moving now and again like the were eye brows. Have we ever seen Don's eye brows? Donny does not in fact have glasses. He is a cyborg, built by Anja, and that is the only part of his face not to be covered in synthetic skin. A) Now I can't picture him as anything but Anja's sexbot and they went from really sweet to really skeezy in about zero seconds flat. B) So what does that make Kat? |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 5, 2015 23:20:56 GMT
To be fair, Anthony's return seems to have derailed the whole "rescue Jeanne" thing and Coyote dialogues, along with other adventures, for the foreseeable future. On the menu is Anthony and more Anthony. While this webcomic gives us a glorious three full-color pages per week with clockwork regularity, waiting for updates does require some patience and commitment; whatever his layers are the simple fact that he's brought Antimony's free-wheeling life to a crashing halt does mean we'll have to wait even longer than otherwise for those plot aspects we've detoured from. What new character who's appearance caused such a thing wouldn't earn some fan-hate and/or nerd-rage? And leaving aside the parenting pro/con debate entirely, he came from nowhere and was/is large and in charge over established characters. Have you ever read "The Wheel of Time"? It's another series that takes abso-fucking-lutely forever to resolve anything. The main character bugs off for virtually an entire book at one point (and the series is 14 doorstoppers long). I understand that it can be frustrating, but I don't think you should take your aggravation out on any particular character. Annie has known about Jeane since, what, chapter 2? 3? It's hardly like Tony is the ONLY thing standing in the way of this resolution, he's just the LATEST thing. Technically, all the chapters with Coyote stood in the way, too. But apparently we like Coyote, but the whole forum just wants(ed) to strap Tony to a guillotine and throw the lever. |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2015 23:21:45 GMT
Apparently we like Coyote, but the whole forum just wants(ed) to strap Tony to a guillotine and throw the lever. They both may be major villains (insofar as GKC has villains), but at least Coyote's entertaining and more emotional than a dead fish  But actually, in all seriousness, chapters with Coyote are often where the most plot-arc-relevant things happen. Off the top of my head, that's where we learn that Renard killed a friend, that he was in love with Surma, what the Court's true purpose is, how to do telekinesis through the ether, how gods are born, the origins of the Court/Forest feud, and more. Donny does not in fact have glasses. He is a cyborg, built by Anja, and that is the only part of his face not to be covered in synthetic skin. A) Now I can't picture him as anything but Anja's sexbot and they went from really sweet to really skeezy in about zero seconds flat. B) So what does that make Kat? A: It explains the look they give each other on the next page when Kat says she wants to build her own robot, doesn't it? Anja's trying to decide if she wants another sexbot in the family. Because that's the inevitable result of a teenage gadgeteer building robots, as we all know. B: Her father was the ether itself. She is the chosen one. She will bring balance to the Court. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 5, 2015 23:32:12 GMT
A: It explains the look they give each other on the next page when Kat says she wants to build her own robot, doesn't it? Anja's trying to decide if she wants another sexbot in the family. Because that's the inevitable result of a teenage gadgeteer building robots, as we all know. OH GOD THE HORRIBLE FANFICTION WRITES ITSELF!!! Wheres the brain-bleach? I need brain-bleach! Sure that's one interpretation I guess... |
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 5, 2015 23:43:02 GMT
My main question I have here is, why does he want to find the psychocomps, is he trying to bring Surma back? It actually seems concerning that he wants to find the psychocomps. I'm worried this will lead to him attempting to mess with the laws of nature which never turns out well in fiction.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 5, 2015 23:43:47 GMT
This is a really good parallel, btw. Another parallel (I think already mentioned by others, sorry, my brain and I are not on speaking terms today)... Annie ditched Kat when she ran off into the Forest, just like Surma ditched Anja when she ran from the Court. Both Annie and Surma felt bad about their actions and probable both knew they had hurt the best friend. At least Kat found out quickly why Annie ran off. Anja still doesn't know why Surma ditched her, at least until Donny tell her what Anthony said. A: It explains the look they give each other on the next page when Kat says she wants to build her own robot, doesn't it? Anja's trying to decide if she wants another sexbot in the family. Because that's the inevitable result of a teenage gadgeteer building robots, as we all know. Did I hear a Bow Chicka Bow Wow? That family needs more Bow Chicka Bow Wow! |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 5, 2015 23:54:33 GMT
Annie ditched Kat when she ran off into the Forest, just like Surma ditched Anja when she ran from the Court. Both Annie and Surma felt bad about their actions and probable both knew they had hurt the best friend. At least Kat found out quickly why Annie ran off. Anja still doesn't know why Surma ditched her, at least until Donny tell her what Anthony said. All of these parallels bring Donny's statements here into question... Perhaps it's more that she's not like either of her parents alone, as Coyote noted a while ago. |
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Post by todd on Aug 6, 2015 0:10:46 GMT
My main question I have here is, why does he want to find the psychocomps, is he trying to bring Surma back? It actually seems concerning that he wants to find the psychocomps. Let's hope that he simply wants to talk to them, to understand what happened, and isn't seeking revenge. (Whether he *could* exact revenge on them, I don't know; we don't know the full extent of his resources as yet.) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 6, 2015 2:34:38 GMT
My main question I have here is, why does he want to find the psychocomps, is he trying to bring Surma back? It actually seems concerning that he wants to find the psychocomps. At the moment I am entertaining the notion that Anthony wants to find the 'pomps because he tried every conventional medical technique and Court technology and failed to save Surma, and is now seeking some sort of insight into new avenues of treatment for Antimony from those odd things his wife sometimes nattered on about. Have you ever read "The Wheel of Time"? It's another series that takes abso-fucking-lutely forever to resolve anything. The main character bugs off for virtually an entire book at one point (and the series is 14 doorstoppers long). Sorry, not familiar with it. I understand that it can be frustrating, but I don't think you should take your aggravation out on any particular character. Then what would be a good reason for disliking a fictional character? Villains and antagonists are required for the plot, after all, so what is the protagonist without them? They have to be bad, and the worse they are the better, unless they're boring in which case they're just foils. Would reading a description of a character's fashion choices be enough to dislike him/her, or seeing the depictions of a cartoon character's signature outfit? What if the author developed a character too quickly? Would that be unrealistic enough that you might hate the "mature" version? Annie has known about Jeane since, what, chapter 2? 3? It's hardly like Tony is the ONLY thing standing in the way of this resolution, he's just the LATEST thing. Technically, all the chapters with Coyote stood in the way, too. But apparently we like Coyote, but the whole forum just wants(ed) to strap Tony to a guillotine and throw the lever. Antimony has known Jeanne was there since the broken glass and other things, yes, but solving the mystery of who the ghost of the Annan waters was one thing and saving her is another. And by the way, I am not sure about who the most hated character in GC is. Diego is still my first choice. I'm pretty sure nobody cares enough about Boxbot to hate him. Not sure about Ys. I find Coyote amusing because I am not subject to his crap; if I were a character in GC and were in the Court I would like to read Coyote myths but also be working very hard to turn the ether that Coyote swims through into the swirling waters of a toilet that flushes him into oblivion. I was thinking about starting a poll but decided to wait until after the "humanization" of Anthony. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 6, 2015 3:30:33 GMT
Then what would be a good reason for disliking a fictional character? Villains and antagonists are required for the plot, after all, so what is the protagonist without them? They have to be bad, and the worse they are the better, unless they're boring in which case they're just foils. Would reading a description of a character's fashion choices be enough to dislike him/her, or seeing the depictions of a cartoon character's signature outfit? What if the author developed a character too quickly? Would that be unrealistic enough that you might hate the "mature" version? You're free to dislike a character for whatever reason you choose- I just took umbrage with the people who seemed to be declaring Tony irredeemably bad on what was effectively his very first appearance in the story. |
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 6, 2015 4:20:42 GMT
Not to mention that trying to pass the blame off someone for questionable actions because of something like PTSD or autism is pretty much a slap in the face to those who have symptoms of either yet strives to do better towards others (speaking as an autistic). Even if either were true, Tony's problem is still an unwillingness to change or improve on himself because aside from blaming himself for Surma's death, he tends to think he knows best in everything else. I think most people have said that even if Tony has psychological problems such as Autism or Aspergers that partially explains but does not excuse his actions. He has not, to our knowledge, tried to deal with these problems and that is culpable. Aspergers would have contributed to Annie and Tony believing that others would share their poor opinions of themselves. But it does not excuse them for any harmful things they migh have done. Fair enough. Though I'd say my other problem with the whole "he has a disorder/disability" shtick, is well the insinuation that the norms are incapable of doing great wrong, so the only explanation is mental issues. |
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Post by Kitty Hamilton on Aug 6, 2015 7:05:15 GMT
Then what would be a good reason for disliking a fictional character? Villains and antagonists are required for the plot, after all, so what is the protagonist without them? They have to be bad, and the worse they are the better, unless they're boring in which case they're just foils. Would reading a description of a character's fashion choices be enough to dislike him/her, or seeing the depictions of a cartoon character's signature outfit? What if the author developed a character too quickly? Would that be unrealistic enough that you might hate the "mature" version? You're free to dislike a character for whatever reason you choose- I just took umbrage with the people who seemed to be declaring Tony irredeemably bad on what was effectively his very first appearance in the story. Thing is, Tony has been (up until now) set up as bad. That's part of the fun of reading a story. You get caught up in the drama of the moment and feel what the main characters are feeling. I'm willing to bet that many if not most of us hating on Anthony knew that we'd probably get deeper insights into his character eventually, and expected some kind of reconciliation. |
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Post by Refugee on Aug 6, 2015 7:13:45 GMT
Annie ditched Kat when she ran off into the Forest, just like Surma ditched Anja when she ran from the Court. Both Annie and Surma felt bad about their actions and probable both knew they had hurt the best friend. At least Kat found out quickly why Annie ran off. Anja still doesn't know why Surma ditched her, at least until Donny tell her what Anthony said. True enough, but at least Annie got Eglamore to pass a message to Kat, rather than just leaving her hanging. And she had in fact received a huge, huge shock. And by golly, on her return, Annie immediately began trying to make up with Kat, with a gift, an apology, and the enlistment of mutual friends to press for reconciliation. Annie certainly didn't act as coldly towards her friend Kat as Anthony has towards his own daughter. Even when Annie treated Mort so badly, she immediately apologized when she found out the truth, fully accepting responsibility for her actions. She gets more points for that she loses for the original offense. |
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Post by hajino on Aug 6, 2015 7:40:53 GMT
It will take some time and really, the two of them have a lot to discuss and understand about each other, but I'm looking forward to Awkward-Family-Carver-Action. They act so similar a lot of times... they would make a great team when they are acting on the same side of an issue. I see their combined blank stare when someone comments that one of their plans really isn't a good idea! I'm glad the comic took this course the last few pages. Would have been boring, if Tony was a flat antagonist. Not really Toms style. I hope we get to explore a lot more of Tony in the next weeks  |
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Post by philman on Aug 6, 2015 7:50:19 GMT
I'm really hoping that as the result of this whole conversation, and perhaps some strong words from Donnie to his friend, the chapter ends with Annie knocking on Tony's door, or vice versa, and the chapter ends with a hug.
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Also, I don't think that it makes you a terrible person to like Yssy-Ys and Rey better than Tony at the moment, heh.
