[1536] Flame on, kinda.

[pxc]

Maybe the cut fire hair = no affecting the physical realm.

edit: Bah.  keef already said it.

[Gauldoth Half-Dead]

Jul 6, 2015 8:55:42 GMT keef said:

Jul 6, 2015 7:08:09 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

Oooh, looks like someone doesn't approve of Anthony's interior design choices, yes?

Well he completely ignored all the rules of Feng shui. Terrible.

In other news, could the haircutting be meant to render the fire harmless? Sever the link between the elemental and the real world, instead of the link between Annie and her fiery side?

Or Sky Schemer is right; Annie stores all her anger and frustration in the elemental.

I'll refer to my earlier post;

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

Alright, so what I'm thinking, based on the signs I noticed:
Annie cut her hair on her own accord to temporarily sever her elemental "side" from herself, since it was mentioned that being part fire elemental affects temper, and emotions in general. I don't think Annie was broken by Anthony at all, I'm gonna say she has some sort of plan, but keeps it to herself. A plan she can't carry out with her emotions running amok, especially since she literally has a flaring temper. ( I am a very funny person, you see.) I'm thinking cutting her hair isn't a foolproof way to achieve control over her emotions either, since it still "taking all of her energy not to break down."
Furthermore, the fire elemental's whole form and distorted expression on the last page of the previous chapter all confirm this for me. The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership. It was all oil to Annie's fire, and she could not handle it without creating detachment from the whirlwind of emotions in herself.

Well, that's my two cents anyways.

[sherni]

Oooh, Fire-Everything Girl isn't happy at all. And she's lashing out at the books. If they're textbooks I don't blame her in the least.

I'm leaning more and more towards her being an actual 'half' of Annie's spirit and not a separate entity at all. Annie literally cut out her anger and resentment, her fire, and split herself in half in the process. So 'Mask' Annie goes through her day like normal, drawing no suspicion (or so she thinks) while Fire Annie seethes in her room. She has enough sense to not take out her rage on her other half, probably because she's in on the plan (I'm guessing so because she's likely hiding from the others) or because she doesn't want to injure her own body.

But... this is not a good situation. After all, the last woman who gave up her fire died a lingering death. Annie might have a plan, but I truly hope she (they?) have considered all the implications. She's a teenager, an intelligent one, but not a genius. If this was done as an act of desperation or by accident, then Annie might already be dying.

A bit of wild speculation, but I wonder if Annie was 'sacrificed' like Jeanne was, then is this what she would end up like? Was Jeanne some manner of Elemental herself then? Maybe a light Elemental, because of her colouring? Is that why Diego said his plan would only work with Jeanne? Because his plan involved somehow separating the Elemental part from the rest of the spirit?

[keef]

Jul 6, 2015 11:48:37 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

I'll refer to my earlier post;

I missed that, holidays and so on..

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

Alright, so what I'm thinking, based on the signs I noticed:
Annie cut her hair on her own accord to temporarily sever her elemental "side" from herself, since it was mentioned that being part fire elemental affects temper, and emotions in general. I don't think Annie was broken by Anthony at all, I'm gonna say she has some sort of plan, but keeps it to herself. A plan she can't carry out with her emotions running amok, especially since she literally has a flaring temper. ( I am a very funny person, you see.)

..you might be very right..

I'm thinking cutting her hair isn't a foolproof way to achieve control over her emotions either, since it still "taking all of her energy not to break down."
Furthermore, the fire elemental's whole form and distorted expression on the last page of the previous chapter all confirm this for me. The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership. It was all oil to Annie's fire, and she could not handle it without creating detachment from the whirlwind of emotions in herself.

..I wouldn't be surprised if you were spot on.

[youwiththeface]

I don't know, this:

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership. It was all oil to Annie's fire, and she could not handle it without creating detachment from the whirlwind of emotions in herself.

Seems to contradict this:

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

I don't think Annie was broken by Anthony at all, I'm gonna say she has some sort of plan, but keeps it to herself. 

"The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership" sounds more than a little bit like being 'broken'.

[arf]

It seems that when the mouse is away, the cat will play.

[Gauldoth Half-Dead]

Jul 6, 2015 13:11:20 GMT keef said:

I missed that, holidays and so on..

It is quite alright.
And thanks, but I'd be surprised if I were completely spot on. I praise Tom for his mostly unpredictable storywriting, and although this idea might seem to be very possible, the truth may be something different. And I love that feeling.

-

Jul 6, 2015 13:16:44 GMT youwiththeface said:

I don't know, this:

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership. It was all oil to Annie's fire, and she could not handle it without creating detachment from the whirlwind of emotions in herself.

Seems to contradict this:

Jul 2, 2015 9:09:45 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

I don't think Annie was broken by Anthony at all, I'm gonna say she has some sort of plan, but keeps it to herself. 

"The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership" sounds more than a little bit like being 'broken'.

I used broken in the sense of quiet acceptance, unable to or unwilling to do anything against it all. Maybe even deluding herself into everything being fine and dandy as it should be, as Father would have it. That is utterly broken. This seemed the case until recently, but not so much now.
Her own little world was broken into a million pieces indeed, but she persists, shaken up and forced to change, but persists.
Otherwise, she would not be the Antimony we came to know.

[yhbc]

"Hey Dad, you know all that wacky stuff with the bone lasers and the experiments and the mysterious satellite to try and separate the fire elemental from my corporeal self? Well, I already did that with a pair of freaking scissors, so knock that shit off, okay?"

[atteSmythe]

Oh yeah, this is a totally healthy response. Look at how in control and proactive Annie's been.

[nero]

Fire elemental must really hate that card with the remark about the haircut.

[freeman]

Jul 6, 2015 7:19:47 GMT madragoran said:

Annie keeps cutting herself while trying to clean up a mess [broken glass incident].

Does this remark have deeper insight, just a throwaway remark?

If it does, I'd be interested hear it, because I didn't get it, nor did I get the chapter where it was. Could just have been an allegory, but it had a huge foreshadowy taste in it.

[youwiththeface]

Jul 6, 2015 14:04:02 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

Jul 6, 2015 13:11:20 GMT keef said:

I missed that, holidays and so on..

It is quite alright.
And thanks, but I'd be surprised if I were completely spot on. I praise Tom for his mostly unpredictable storywriting, and although this idea might seem to be very possible, the truth may be something different. And I love that feeling.

-

Jul 6, 2015 13:16:44 GMT youwiththeface said:

I don't know, this:
Seems to contradict this:
"The white-hot rage towards a father long absent, mixed with despair and confusion stemming from Tony's sudden return and cruel, new rulership" sounds more than a little bit like being 'broken'.

I used broken in the sense of quiet acceptance, unable to or unwilling to do anything against it all. Maybe even deluding herself into everything being fine and dandy as it should be, as Father would have it. That is utterly broken. This seemed the case until recently, but not so much now.
Her own little world was broken into a million pieces indeed, but she persists, shaken up and forced to change, but persists.
Otherwise, she would not be the Antimony we came to know.

You're assuming this is Antimony acting against her father or his wishes. The small amount of evidence we have doesn't throw out the possibility that this is his wish. And her 'That went quite well, I think.' sounds a lot like deluding herself into everything being fine and dandy as it should be.

[ctso74]

Jul 6, 2015 12:19:56 GMT sherni said:

A bit of wild speculation, but I wonder if Annie was 'sacrificed' like Jeanne was, then is this what she would end up like? Was Jeanne some manner of Elemental herself then? Maybe a light Elemental, because of her colouring? Is that why Diego said his plan would only work with Jeanne? Because his plan involved somehow separating the Elemental part from the rest of the spirit?

I've always thought Water Elemental. Jeanne's visuals match water, though it's hard to say. The Ether seems to have a flowing like nature to it. Plus, Jeanne's been down there a long time; maybe long enough to affect her form. Narratively, it would be interesting to pit a Fire Elemental against a Water Elemental. Perhaps one day, we'll have a flashback with a living Jeanne in the Ether, and find get a better idea.

She's incorporeal. I wonder, if she leaves the room and eavesdrops on people, or is it to risky due to Ether-sensitive students/faculty? I think it would be nice, if this chapter was a day in the life of an firey fly-on-the-wall.

[kelantar]

Jul 6, 2015 12:19:56 GMT sherni said:

Oooh, Fire-Everything Girl isn't happy at all. And she's lashing out at the books. If they're textbooks I don't blame her in the least.

I'm leaning more and more towards her being an actual 'half' of Annie's spirit and not a separate entity at all. Annie literally cut out her anger and resentment, her fire, and split herself in half in the process. So 'Mask' Annie goes through her day like normal, drawing no suspicion (or so she thinks) while Fire Annie seethes in her room. She has enough sense to not take out her rage on her other half, probably because she's in on the plan (I'm guessing so because she's likely hiding from the others) or because she doesn't want to injure her own body.

This is more along the lines of what I was thinking. It weirds me out when I see people saying "Annie and the Fire Elemental" as if there was some Fire Elemental imprisoned inside her that has been removed. As we've seen from Surma, the elemental is very much a part of Annie, so talking about "the elemental" as if it's some separate entity seems wrong somehow. As far as I'm concerned, the fire we see in this chapter is no less "Annie" than the zombie-like shell walking around. After all, she's part elemental, so this is as weird as a bi-racial person trying to separate their races.

A bit of wild speculation, but I wonder if Annie was 'sacrificed' like Jeanne was, then is this what she would end up like? Was Jeanne some manner of Elemental herself then? Maybe a light Elemental, because of her colouring? Is that why Diego said his plan would only work with Jeanne? Because his plan involved somehow separating the Elemental part from the rest of the spirit?

That would actually makes a certain degree of sense. I feel like there's some differences, as I don't think any of Jeanne was left in her body, but other than that I like it, especially because this

continues to remind me of this.

[TBeholder]

Jul 6, 2015 7:04:30 GMT edzepp said:

Angry ineffectual flailing intensifies.

Yup. How long she had nothing better to do? No wonder she grew so angry by now.

Jul 6, 2015 7:28:21 GMT hnau said:

Ether Annie could move things in the real world. How long will it take for Elemental to learn?

Since it's a part of Annie, zero. If it can't, it must be lacking some components necessary for this. Of course, circumventing this somehow may be possible - but unlikely.
Anyway, we don't know which part (if any) of Annie is in control of the situation now.

Jul 6, 2015 7:34:52 GMT Goatmon said:

Now now, fire spirit
No need to be such a hot head

Fire spirit> [OVERTHOOM]

Jul 6, 2015 7:38:37 GMT warrl said:

It could be controlled anger - deliberately lashing out in a way that does no damage.

Then it will not be for very long.

Jul 6, 2015 7:38:37 GMT warrl said:

(On a previous occasion Annie's fire was hot enough to stop Eglamore from pursuing her, but didn't burn anything.)

It looked like posts have melted.

Jul 6, 2015 12:19:56 GMT sherni said:

But... this is not a good situation. After all, the last woman who gave up her fire died a lingering death.

And here we see her body returning for regular procedures. But even then...

Jul 6, 2015 12:19:56 GMT sherni said:

Annie might have a plan, but I truly hope she (they?) have considered all the implications. She's a teenager, an intelligent one, but not a genius.

...and uncooperative to her own detriment, as Spring Heeled story shows.
We didn't see her having any fallback options and assistants who could save her butt if things go wrong.
Annie easily could have outsmarted herself. She could do whatever she tried - but does she have good enough reasons to be sure she can reverse it even in the best-case scenario? And that this situation will not go worse at any disturbance (there are ether stations and those decontamination rooms around, for one)?
As they say - "Mad Science" means never stopping to ask "what's the worst thing that could happen?"

Jul 6, 2015 14:42:46 GMT atteSmythe said:

Oh yeah, this is a totally healthy response. Look at how in control and proactive Annie's been.

You seem to mistake "docile" for "healthy".

Jul 6, 2015 14:52:29 GMT nero said:

Fire elemental must really hate that card with the remark about the haircut.

Ha, good point.

[Bill]

The fire may also be acting in frustration. And it is possible that fire-Annie controls whether the fire burns (rather than body-Annie), and is exercising restraint in this cathartic act.

[keef]

Jul 6, 2015 15:43:15 GMT freeman said:

Jul 6, 2015 7:19:47 GMT madragoran said:

Annie keeps cutting herself while trying to clean up a mess [broken glass incident].

Does this remark have deeper insight, just a throwaway remark?

If it does, I'd be interested hear it, because I didn't get it, nor did I get the chapter where it was. Could just have been an allegory, but it had a huge foreshadowy taste in it.

Trying to clean the mess, without asking for help. Hurting herself. Thinking she'll be fine.

[Gauldoth Half-Dead]

Jul 6, 2015 15:52:57 GMT youwiththeface said:

You're assuming this is Antimony acting against her father or his wishes. The small amount of evidence we have doesn't throw out the possibility that this is his wish. And her 'That went quite well, I think.' sounds a lot like deluding herself into everything being fine and dandy as it should be.

It's just what seems logical to me, otherwise it would almost be breaking character. I also doubt that giving Renard to Kat in secrecy means she submitted herself completely to Anthony and has no ulterior motives on her own. And the "that went quite well" part to me sounds more like... an attempt at humor, or teasing, I guess.
But we shall see what we shall see, yes?

[stef1987]

Last couple of pages I seem to read a lot of posts about people thinking that Annie has some kind of brilliant plan...
When has Annie ever had a plan? She never plans ahead, she always just does what seems 'right' at the time.
I'm pretty sure this is another case of that, she couldn't handle it it and sought a way to control her rage or whatever

[youwiththeface]

Jul 6, 2015 17:13:32 GMT Gauldoth Half-Dead said:

Jul 6, 2015 15:52:57 GMT youwiththeface said:

You're assuming this is Antimony acting against her father or his wishes. The small amount of evidence we have doesn't throw out the possibility that this is his wish. And her 'That went quite well, I think.' sounds a lot like deluding herself into everything being fine and dandy as it should be.

It's just what seems logical to me, otherwise it would almost be breaking character. I also doubt that giving Renard to Kat in secrecy means she submitted herself completely to Anthony and has no ulterior motives on her own. And the "that went quite well" part to me sounds more like... an attempt at humor, or teasing, I guess.
But we shall see what we shall see, yes?

We shall see, but I do want to say that I don't think the way Annie's acting is breaking character at all. It's what she does. She keeps things to herself, tries to handle things herself, and then....well, we've seen things blow up in her face more than once already over the course of the comic. We're just seeing it from the outside looking in this time, as opposed to the other way around.

As for Rey, remember how she looked when Kat confronted her about it. How she almost broke down, then Kat changed the subject in a hurry? Same thing could've happened in the cab with Kat, after another near freak out, going 'Okay, how about this? You give him to me until we're more sure of what's going on.' And Annie could've gone along with it just to keep from losing her shit, as she could've been just as frazzled by the thought of losing Rey as not following her father's orders. 

[rosencrantz]

Jul 6, 2015 7:35:13 GMT Goatmon said:

Take it easy there, lady

No need for such a fiery temper

Do try to be cool-headed about all this.

[Daedalus]

Jul 6, 2015 17:49:49 GMT rosencrantz said:

Jul 6, 2015 7:35:13 GMT Goatmon said:

Take it easy there, lady

No need for such a fiery temper

Do try to be cool-headed about all this.

Chill out, you all. I don't want to see another heated discussion on this forum

[arzeik]

Jul 6, 2015 18:01:59 GMT Daedalus said:

Jul 6, 2015 17:49:49 GMT rosencrantz said:

Do try to be cool-headed about all this.

Chill out, you all. I don't want to see another heated discussion on this forum

Oh, but I wanted to add fuel to the flames...

[Fishy]

Jul 3, 2015 8:34:51 GMT Fishy said:

I wonder if she ever has to explain "My fire elemental side disintegrated my homework."

Well I guess that answers my question.

Unrelated note, that girl really needs a chair for her desk. And a psychiatrist. And new parents. Amazing how happy go lucky the world seemed back when Annie was securely an orphan in a massive, dangerous court, huh? Now she gets daddy dearest back, gets to focus on her grades, and has a whole room to herself.

[Sky Schemer]

It's also possible that she just can't find the TV remote.

[shadow3]

Here's a theory:

Annie's father tried to purge Annie of her fire elemental nature so that she wouldn't die the same way her mother did.

Annie's elemental essence however survived the process, and Annie is keeping it a secret.

[hajino]

Pretty sure it is not healthy to plot against part of yourself too.
Geez, Annie, you've got the best plans...

[warrl]

Jul 6, 2015 20:15:13 GMT hajino said:

Pretty sure it is not healthy to plot against part of yourself too.

There's no shortage of real-world examples... mostly due to not thinking through all the expected consequences, but sometimes deliberately.

[TBeholder]

Jul 6, 2015 17:27:18 GMT stef1987 said:

Last couple of pages I seem to read a lot of posts about people thinking that Annie has some kind of brilliant plan...
When has Annie ever had a plan? She never plans ahead, she always just does what seems 'right' at the time.

What a strange idea. She had a pretty brilliant plan involving that mad fairy uprising...

Jul 6, 2015 18:49:41 GMT Fishy said:

that girl really needs a chair for her desk. And a psychiatrist.

I think the latter type of furniture is not in her taste. Or good taste at all.

[Per]

Jul 6, 2015 16:53:41 GMT keef said:

Jul 6, 2015 15:43:15 GMT freeman said:

Does this remark have deeper insight, just a throwaway remark?

If it does, I'd be interested hear it, because I didn't get it, nor did I get the chapter where it was. Could just have been an allegory, but it had a huge foreshadowy taste in it.

Trying to clean the mess, without asking for help. Hurting herself. Thinking she'll be fine.

I think the glass is Jeanne? "Falls" to the floor of the ravine, "breaks" and cuts Annie.