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Post by Ombre on Jun 8, 2015 19:18:18 GMT
Oh, my... This will be a long evening.
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Post by Sadie on Jun 8, 2015 19:23:27 GMT
He's not trying to be rude by not giving a handshake. His words to Anja are friendly. I think he's always been this distant, non-touching, no-unnecessary nonsense person. Agreed. I also get the strong impression that he doesn't want to draw attention to his hand or talk about it at all. Which may be part of why he avoided even contacting his old friends until he was given a direct invitation. Anja forgot, or maybe she thought a reunion after 15 years of absence would make a difference. Donald, who knows him best, didn't. I think it's clear now that he's not behaving this way towards Annie because he hates her*. That's how he is, all the time, to everyone. Annie was right: he wasn't trying to humiliate her. The humiliation factor was at no point part of the equation for him. Either he considers feelings to be useless things to be ignored, or he has no understanding whatsoever for the entire concept. Or both. (SNIP...!) This, and I would emphasize... Tony becomes robotic and acts like an asshat in socially stressful situation. He seems slightly more tolerable when there are fewer people around and when the situation is less stressful. He was an asshat on the first day of class (stressful to him because there were a number of students and it was the first time reuniting with Annie). He was marginally tolerable when he picked up Annie’s homework (it was just Annie and Kat with nothing else going on). Now he is being an asshat again and I bet it is because of the stress he feels reuniting with Donald and Anja. I think he blurted out his apology for Annie’s behavior because the embarrassment is unbearable. This is largely how I'm leaning toward in reading him, too. The only thing is that I don't believe it's that he ignored the humiliation factor or didn't understand the concept. I think he's fully aware of what humiliation feels like when he's experiencing it and a lot of his attitudes and actions are an effort to avoid being humiliated himself. I would not be surprised if prior to big social events, he carefully scripts out the conversations in his head so that he won't be caught off-guard or put on the spot. I also think he's a manipulative person. Not out of specifically malicious intent, at least originally, but as a way of managing social anxiety and emotional distress. If he can keep control of the situation, the conversation, and himself, he'll be fine. The real question, for me at least, is how much he prioritizes Annie's emotional experience. He knows full well that public humiliation is god awful (for HIM), but does he have the empathy and self-awareness to understand her experience would be equatable to his? I don't think he purposefully set out to humiliate Annie, but I do think he knew that that approach would bring her better under control, and how badly this may impact her either now or in the long term doesn't even factor. |
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Post by deuswyvern on Jun 8, 2015 19:51:17 GMT
I would agree that this is lack of social skills rather then intended rudeness. I personally don't dislike him for his poor social skills. If I wanted to hate him, his treatment of Annie is more than sufficient reason. I still need to see more of him to make up my mind, but Annie needs to get out of the relationship right now. I suspect that Anthony is not as hateful as he seems which will make it hard for Annie to cut ties with him.
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Post by linchie on Jun 8, 2015 22:26:16 GMT
With people talking about Anja's expressions: She is Russian...from the far eastern edge (e.g. Kamchatka). People from that area have a more Asian look. The girl I knew, who was from Yakutsk, did not have that curly hair that Anja and Katarina have, but they are both distinctly non-European. Her eyes are just stylized, not closed. And honestly I don't see the fuss! Anja is a really expressive character already. But Anja is confirmed to be Romanian... Not Yakutian. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 8, 2015 23:32:43 GMT
With people talking about Anja's expressions: She is Russian...from the far eastern edge (e.g. Kamchatka). People from that area have a more Asian look. The girl I knew, who was from Yakutsk, did not have that curly hair that Anja and Katarina have, but they are both distinctly non-European. Her eyes are just stylized, not closed. And honestly I don't see the fuss! Anja is a really expressive character already. But Anja is confirmed to be Romanian... Not Yakutian. Specifically, Anja is Romani. Tom is not specific about her place of birth and also said she travelled enough to be from various places. And her dot eyes in panel 2 kind of creep me out. Not so much in panel 8 for some reason. |
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Post by Refugee on Jun 9, 2015 0:55:54 GMT
I'm still not convinced that everything is as it seems, or even that Anthony is actually Anthony, or at the very least in his right mind. I hope this is Tony; anything else would be cheating, but he is nevertheless not the Tony Anja remembers. The scars on his face set her back more than a little. He took a serious blow, it may have appeared to come from Annie or even from Kat. This goes beyond awkwardness; I can't really believe Annie was ever devoted to this person. He's changed, a lot, and Annie keeps trying to make excuses for the Father she used to know. Donald's expression goes beyond deep thought; I agree that he is seriously displeased. As unpleasant as this is, I believe Tom's handling the scene well. |
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Post by catsneezes on Jun 9, 2015 1:52:04 GMT
I enjoy how Kat is perpetually like "WHY I OUGHTA" around Tony.
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Post by csj on Jun 9, 2015 2:32:52 GMT
Even more specifically... (totally not terrible grammar, heh) One or two words in Gitano, but not really no. The gitano are a branch of Romani that migrated into Iberia - Spain and Portugal. While the Romani has their own language, there is also a regionally-influenced offshoot (Caló) and many speak local languages, like any other Spanish or Portugese person (note; Spain has many languages, not just 'Spanish' - more properly, Castellano). |
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Post by bluevitriol on Jun 9, 2015 2:36:20 GMT
Perhaps Tony is doing this all on purpose so that everyone dislikes him and it will lessen the blow when the inevitable happens? The 'Bone-Lasers" could have been protecting Annie, and when removed put her in danger forcing Tony to stop whatever it was and possible receive those injuries we can see (and possible many more we cannot.) It is quite possible he is trying also to put his daughter on what he sees as the correct path before whatever he has been fighting catches up to him. You don't just get a big gash on your mouth and lose part of your arm off-handedly (heh.)
Never know, he might pull Donny aside and tell him he wants them to take care of her when he is gone which he assumes is very soon. Donny seems to be the only person Tony has ever opened up to and that Tony trusts.
*Edit: Also love how Annie in panel 1 doesn't even have an outline... she is like a background person in an old painting.
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Post by antiyonder on Jun 9, 2015 2:45:21 GMT
Yeah I still don't like Anthony and the recent bit doesn't help change that. But I don't have a problem with having the character being this unlikable.
And I don't see why some are hoping for him to either be an imposter or being under someone's control. Creating that much tension and then trying to wipe it away would be bad writing. As much as I dislike Tony, I'd want the resolution to have the same impact as the tense building, rather than just handwaving it.
As for what I'm expecting. Something along the lines of him possibly being well-intentioned, while still coming out as being in the wrong or at least partially.
I don't know. It's just that as of currently, we're obviously suppose to be against the character, and if the reasoning behind his actions is simple villainy or just plain selfishness, what would be the point of withholding the info when Tony is already despised? Only way that the wait on revealing his motive is if it's to make us reconsider how we view him as opposed to only cementing how unlikable he is.
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Post by csj on Jun 9, 2015 2:48:22 GMT
The Romani are incredibly diverse. It's kinda hard to refer to them in a whole as characters in certain cases, depending on how the culture has evolved over time. Hundreds of years of isolation from the largest Romani communities results in the evolution of a distinct and unique culture. The is more the case with those furthest from Eastern Europe and is probably a combination of isolation and limited population size. The scale of larger Romani populations such as those in Romania and Bulgaria probably allowed them operated more independent of the rest of their regional community, as well as being influenced by a very different environment. That size makes it easier to retain their unique cultural identity over time.
Compare and contrast how other cutltures have developed form isolation over hundreds of years. North Americans and Great Britain, Argentinians (et al.) and Spain. Japan was once colonised by people from China and despite the changes over time (far less recent than most European colonisation efforts), still retains many cultural ties (not to be confused with the indigenous Ainu!).
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Post by arf on Jun 9, 2015 3:40:36 GMT
Now I have an interesting idea. The Seraphs don't like Annie, I'm pretty sure, and certainly consider her dangerous. I wonder if they've found some way to hijack Tony and force him to follow their script in an attempt to neutralize her. The paper tag method failed them on the ship, and this could be a change of tactics. Interesting, except it appears that the Seraphs were put up to that shipping stunt by S13, who is very attached to Mu- Annie. |
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Post by Chancellor on Jun 9, 2015 7:03:49 GMT
Now I have an interesting idea. The Seraphs don't like Annie, I'm pretty sure, and certainly consider her dangerous. I wonder if they've found some way to hijack Tony and force him to follow their script in an attempt to neutralize her. The paper tag method failed them on the ship, and this could be a change of tactics. Interesting, except it appears that the Seraphs were put up to that shipping stunt by S13, who is very attached to Mu- Annie. Be that as it may, if I comes down to his fanatical devotion to realizing the triumph of his Angel, and his sentimental fondness for Annie....Nah...I hope we don't get to that point. |
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Post by sherni on Jun 9, 2015 7:12:21 GMT
Rather mean of me, but I couldn't help but laugh at poor Anja being all awkward. She looks so utterly mortified in the fifth panel. The last panel though... He just can't let up on Annie, can he?
I'm going with aline and Jelly Jellybean's views on Anthony. But on the same note, that makes him incredibly self-centred. If he dismisses emotion because he thinks it unnecessary then he also ignores how vital it is for other people. Being socially awkward isn't a problem. Not even trying to learn how to be a good parent before coming back to look after his daughter is a problem. He is old enough and intelligent enough for there to be no excuse in this regard.
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Post by speedwell on Jun 9, 2015 8:05:20 GMT
Body language, gee. Notice how everyone is all turned toward Anthony at first in welcome. Then Annie crosses the room toward the Donlans. Anja's hand and plastered-on smile in the "it's been so long" frame is no more and no less than the universal primate "OK, I'm not touching you and not threatening you" gesture. By the end of the strip, the Donlans are gathered around her in protection; Anja is hovering over Annie in affection and concern and making another defensive hand gesture, Kat is full-on defensive/confrontational with two clenched fists, and Donald has absolutely turned his back on Anthony like an angry housecat and for much the same reason (to avoid a destructive fight). They're VERY unhappy. Anthony, however, is rooted to the same spot framed in the doorway like he's expecting the get-away vehicle any second now. Interestingly, if you know the elemental meanings of the five fingers in Hindu mudras, Anja's hand gesture in the last frame looks very much like invoking fire as protection, though I don't think there is much in this. 3.bp.blogspot.com/-BJ5CpY6TXko/UDlIoK7SdwI/AAAAAAAAAOk/ZcNO8562A8Q/s1600/mudras.jpgOh, also, I knew Anthony was a jerk and I was angry about it, but not till this strip, where he publicly humiliates Annie, did I just mentally write him off as a worthless waster. |
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Post by kurwalt on Jun 9, 2015 8:23:40 GMT
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Post by dreki on Jun 9, 2015 17:44:18 GMT
My sticking points:
1. He showed emotion with Surma. Tony can show love, can make it clear he loves someone, even if it's only with small actions.
2. We've never been shown a time, even when he was alone with Antimony, where he showed a similar emotion.
3. The only reason we have to believe he cares for Annie is from what others have said and that he's covered the cost of her schooling. (Which, since it was suggested that Surma is the reason she's at GC, may actually be that her mother left the money to cover the cost in her will, it could also just be about keeping up appearances- which he seems to care about)
Annie was very similar to him when she first started at the Court. She acted cold and unfeeling. Sometimes she still falls into that, especially when her dad is involved. She also shows some ignorance about social norms (ex. picking up the bird-boy to test his weight). But she was still kind.
I don't agree with the socially inept/stressed theory. I agree that he isn't good with social stuff, and neither is Annie. However- this is his daughter. He should have ways to show her that he cares for her that she understands even if others don't. But we've never seen that. I've known people on the autism spectrum, including parents and children. They have ways to show they care. They're not the ways most people accept, it can be hard for someone who isn't familiar with it to realize and understand, but they have ways and a child raised by such a person will recognize them.
Not all families are all affectionate. The Donlans are much more on the mushy side, I think. Part of Kat's problem is that Tony is SO different from her experiences- but even people with more rigid upbringings would still see the problem here. Even in more authoritarian households where no one actually says "I love you", the love is obvious. There's no question about it. I have yet to see that from Tony.
I want to know more about Surma and Tony's relationship. I want to know why Surma chose him. I want to know why they decided to have Antimony (or if she was a 'surprise'). I want to know what Tony's feelings in all of it were.
All we've seen is that Tony was clearly distraught about Surma's declining health, but he refused to show any emotion to his own daughter.
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Post by deuswyvern on Jun 9, 2015 18:50:16 GMT
My sticking points: 1. He showed emotion with Surma. Tony can show love, can make it clear he loves someone, even if it's only with small actions. 2. We've never been shown a time, even when he was alone with Antimony, where he showed a similar emotion. 3. The only reason we have to believe he cares for Annie is from what others have said and that he's covered the cost of her schooling. (Which, since it was suggested that Surma is the reason she's at GC, may actually be that her mother left the money to cover the cost in her will, it could also just be about keeping up appearances- which he seems to care about) Annie was very similar to him when she first started at the Court. She acted cold and unfeeling. Sometimes she still falls into that, especially when her dad is involved. She also shows some ignorance about social norms (ex. picking up the bird-boy to test his weight). But she was still kind. I don't agree with the socially inept/stressed theory. I agree that he isn't good with social stuff, and neither is Annie. However- this is his daughter. He should have ways to show her that he cares for her that she understands even if others don't. But we've never seen that. I've known people on the autism spectrum, including parents and children. They have ways to show they care. They're not the ways most people accept, it can be hard for someone who isn't familiar with it to realize and understand, but they have ways and a child raised by such a person will recognize them. Not all families are all affectionate. The Donlans are much more on the mushy side, I think. Part of Kat's problem is that Tony is SO different from her experiences- but even people with more rigid upbringings would still see the problem here. Even in more authoritarian households where no one actually says "I love you", the love is obvious. There's no question about it. I have yet to see that from Tony. I want to know more about Surma and Tony's relationship. I want to know why Surma chose him. I want to know why they decided to have Antimony (or if she was a 'surprise'). I want to know what Tony's feelings in all of it were. All we've seen is that Tony was clearly distraught about Surma's declining health, but he refused to show any emotion to his own daughter. It's all solid analysis, but its too soon to tell. Having good relations with your wife and strained relations with your child is neither uncommon, nor is it a sign of not caring about them. Just because he's her father does not mean that he has ways to show he cares. He's clearly abusive and controlling, but I don't think it will be as simple as he doesn't care about her. Toxic relationships can be very complex. I definitely agree that we need to know more about Surma and Tony. I think we will probably see another side of Tony when their past is revealed. |
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Post by dreki on Jun 9, 2015 21:06:09 GMT
It's all solid analysis, but its too soon to tell. Having good relations with your wife and strained relations with your child is neither uncommon, nor is it a sign of not caring about them. Just because he's her father does not mean that he has ways to show he cares. He's clearly abusive and controlling, but I don't think it will be as simple as he doesn't care about her. Toxic relationships can be very complex. I definitely agree that we need to know more about Surma and Tony. I think we will probably see another side of Tony when their past is revealed. I agree it's too early to say anything for sure- but Tony has ways to show he cares, which he's shown to both Donny and Surma, possibly to the rest of the group. That's undeniable. We have never seen any indication of that in his interactions with Annie. We have Surma assuring her Tony loves her, and Donny insisting that his calling Annie meant something (which people suspect was actually related to the circumstances in 'Divine'). A lot of people are asking if he's a robot because he's so unemotional- but we've seen at least two instances that he showed pretty strong emotions. Once with Donny, once with Surma. He can. It says a lot that he doesn't with Annie, and apparently never has. I can understand him being more reserved with Annie than Donny or Surma, most parents try to hold it together around their kids, but that level of iciness is suspicious. And the circumstances are far from common. Anthony spent 10 years watching Antimony essentially draining his wife's life, probably while desperately trying to fix it (Antimony believes that her father worked hard to find a cure). This is somewhat similar to a dad having a hard time bonding with his child after mom died in childbirth- but a lot worse. He was expected to form a bond with the person who was killing his wife, and someone as emotionally reserved as Anthony probably would have had a very hard time bonding with an infant or young child to begin with. Parental bonds don't always just spring up- they need to be formed and nurtured. Many gestational parents give birth and find they don't love the writhing, screaming little alien they spent 9 months creating- but with time they form a deep, unshakeable bond. I don't think that Tony ever formed that bond, it's possible he tried but I don't think he managed. And that's actually something that could have come up even if Antimony was planned. He may have either expected to be able to cure Surma and his negative feelings towards himself for failing were projected on Annie, or he may just not have realized how painful watching it was going to be. I can certainly believe that he wants to care about her- but we've seen how he interacts with loved ones when in private and that's not how he interacts with Antimony. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 9, 2015 22:11:09 GMT
Anthony's behavior would make more sense if Anthony knew he wasn't Annie biological father. He does seem to be acting like a Disney step-parent. I've floated this theory before and been struck down by quotes from Tom saying that Anthony is Annie father. Seriously spoiling the fun. |
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Post by Sadie on Jun 9, 2015 23:31:46 GMT
Anthony's behavior would make more sense if Anthony knew he wasn't Annie biological father. He does seem to be acting like a Disney step-parent. I've floated this theory before and been struck down by quotes from Tom saying that Anthony is Annie father. Seriously spoiling the fun. In the long run, I'd be happiest if the story didn't go that way (ignoring spoiler for the moment). Nothing against anyone who as this as a pet theory, but this sort of "obviously non-biological parents are incapable of loving their children the way biological parents naturally and inherently do" theme is common as dirt. (And kinda tiresome for people with loving, supportive step-parents, abusive bio-parents, or people from adoptive and foster families, to be honest.) It'd be interesting to see everyone deal with the consequences of Anthony's behavior toward Antimony without any paternity issues mixed in. |
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Post by dreki on Jun 10, 2015 0:17:50 GMT
Anthony's behavior would make more sense if Anthony knew he wasn't Annie biological father. He does seem to be acting like a Disney step-parent. I've floated this theory before and been struck down by quotes from Tom saying that Anthony is Annie father. Seriously spoiling the fun. In the long run, I'd be happiest if the story didn't go that way (ignoring spoiler for the moment). Nothing against anyone who as this as a pet theory, but this sort of "obviously non-biological parents are incapable of loving their children the way biological parents naturally and inherently do" theme is common as dirt. (And kinda tiresome for people with loving, supportive step-parents, abusive bio-parents, or people from adoptive and foster families, to be honest.) It'd be interesting to see everyone deal with the consequences of Anthony's behavior toward Antimony without any paternity issues mixed in. Agreed. Matilda is the only story I can think of that actually shows abusive bio parents. Everything else is "Guess what, they're not your real parents! You're adopted!" (or they're step-parents, or whatever). It's definitely tiring. Anthony is acting like way too many biological parents do. Plenty of parents have tried to fit very rigid molds on their children and turned cold towards them when they failed to live up to expectations. It's still possible that he's not her sperm donor, unless Tom's explicitly said he's her biological father. Some people are speculating that they had Antimony specifically to try and break the curse (whatever you want to call it), and so they may've chosen a specific biological donor. But Anthony still raised Annie, she's still his daughter. He still should have bonded with her. As I said- plenty of people don't bond with their biological kids immediately, just like plenty of people bond with their adopted kids with love at first sight. She's Surma's daughter, and most of the people who loved Surma care greatly for her as a result. Except (apparently) Anthony. |
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Post by deuswyvern on Jun 10, 2015 2:07:12 GMT
It's all solid analysis, but its too soon to tell. Having good relations with your wife and strained relations with your child is neither uncommon, nor is it a sign of not caring about them. Just because he's her father does not mean that he has ways to show he cares. He's clearly abusive and controlling, but I don't think it will be as simple as he doesn't care about her. Toxic relationships can be very complex. I definitely agree that we need to know more about Surma and Tony. I think we will probably see another side of Tony when their past is revealed. I agree it's too early to say anything for sure- but Tony has ways to show he cares, which he's shown to both Donny and Surma, possibly to the rest of the group. That's undeniable. We have never seen any indication of that in his interactions with Annie. We have Surma assuring her Tony loves her, and Donny insisting that his calling Annie meant something (which people suspect was actually related to the circumstances in 'Divine'). A lot of people are asking if he's a robot because he's so unemotional- but we've seen at least two instances that he showed pretty strong emotions. Once with Donny, once with Surma. He can. It says a lot that he doesn't with Annie, and apparently never has. I can understand him being more reserved with Annie than Donny or Surma, most parents try to hold it together around their kids, but that level of iciness is suspicious. And the circumstances are far from common. Anthony spent 10 years watching Antimony essentially draining his wife's life, probably while desperately trying to fix it (Antimony believes that her father worked hard to find a cure). This is somewhat similar to a dad having a hard time bonding with his child after mom died in childbirth- but a lot worse. He was expected to form a bond with the person who was killing his wife, and someone as emotionally reserved as Anthony probably would have had a very hard time bonding with an infant or young child to begin with. Parental bonds don't always just spring up- they need to be formed and nurtured. Many gestational parents give birth and find they don't love the writhing, screaming little alien they spent 9 months creating- but with time they form a deep, unshakeable bond. I don't think that Tony ever formed that bond, it's possible he tried but I don't think he managed. And that's actually something that could have come up even if Antimony was planned. He may have either expected to be able to cure Surma and his negative feelings towards himself for failing were projected on Annie, or he may just not have realized how painful watching it was going to be. I can certainly believe that he wants to care about her- but we've seen how he interacts with loved ones when in private and that's not how he interacts with Antimony. I think that I would agree to most of this. My thoughts are that he cares about her, but also harbors feelings against her which combine to cause his negative behavior. I think that if he had no positive feelings for her that he would have simply abandoned her, which is something he never completely did. He probably thinks he is simply being a strict parental figure, instead of abusive and controlling. I think that Surma is the only person that he ever connected with completely. Perhapes I am overlooking somthing, but I don't think Anthony ever showed much intimacy with Donny beyond confiding in him when he was very young. At the present they do not look that close. With his other friends his interactions were just as icy as with Annie. I think that Anthony and Donny's relationship had more to do with Donny's willingness to accept Anthony's strangeness than Anthony being any more open than usual. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 10, 2015 4:21:24 GMT
Is his plastic hand motile enough to give out handshakes? So far it looked like a mannequin-like inanimate part. I think people usually would use the other, functioning hand. If there's the will, there's the way. Should they really want to, yes. But it's also a good excuse to avoid touching anyone. If, for example, someone is really uncomfortable with this. Or - also for example - someone's skin visually can pass as living human flesh in bad condition, but will be revealed as obviously unnatural via most cursory tactile examination. As robots, the Court Robots are malfunctioning* and seem human. * I wish I could dig up the reference for emotional robots being a malfunction, "crazy is for people, robots get defective"? Kaff Tagon, IIRC (can't find that page yet). |
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Post by todd on Jun 10, 2015 12:33:07 GMT
Everything else is "Guess what, they're not your real parents! You're adopted!" (or they're step-parents, or whatever). It's definitely tiring. Yes - protagonists in this genre so often turn out to *not* be the biological children of the people who seem to be their parents at the start of the story that it's refreshing that Antony really is Annie's father - and that Tom didn't intend there to be any mystery about her parentage. |
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Post by kelantar on Jun 10, 2015 12:50:13 GMT
3. The only reason we have to believe he cares for Annie is from what others have said and that he's covered the cost of her schooling. (Which, since it was suggested that Surma is the reason she's at GC, may actually be that her mother left the money to cover the cost in her will, it could also just be about keeping up appearances- which he seems to care about) I even wonder about this. Zimmy and Gamma clearly aren't paying tuition. And none of the forest folk are. I kind of assume that the Court recruits people with special talent free of charge. After all, they're not a normal school which has to pull its budget from tuition; it's basically a self-contained country, and they're not wanting for money. |
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Post by deuswyvern on Jun 10, 2015 14:09:57 GMT
3. The only reason we have to believe he cares for Annie is from what others have said and that he's covered the cost of her schooling. (Which, since it was suggested that Surma is the reason she's at GC, may actually be that her mother left the money to cover the cost in her will, it could also just be about keeping up appearances- which he seems to care about) I even wonder about this. Zimmy and Gamma clearly aren't paying tuition. And none of the forest folk are. I kind of assume that the Court recruits people with special talent free of charge. After all, they're not a normal school which has to pull its budget from tuition; it's basically a self-contained country, and they're not wanting for money. I think Tom has said that Anthony covers her financial expenses. |
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Post by dreki on Jun 10, 2015 18:01:28 GMT
I thought Eglamore told Annie that Anthony had made sure everything would be provided for her. I can't find it, though.
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Post by deuswyvern on Jun 10, 2015 19:47:28 GMT
I thought Eglamore told Annie that Anthony had made sure everything would be provided for her. I can't find it, though. I'm going off of word of tom: Source |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 10, 2015 22:37:09 GMT
I thought Eglamore told Annie that Anthony had made sure everything would be provided for her. I can't find it, though. I'm going off of word of tom: SourceAnd Donald on page 104. |
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