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Post by kelantar on May 22, 2015 13:49:11 GMT
The heck with Annie's abusive father, let's try not having her " they think they're being helpful" friends commit crimes in her name when she's specifically asked them not to. She said "please". Well it might not be in her name. In the last chapter, the only time Kat really snapped at Annie was when she found out about Rey. Judging by her look in that last panel and her attitude about the whole thing, I have a feeling this is more about a Rey rescue mission than Annie at the moment. That would explain why Kat would go against Annie's wishes, to help another friend who may need her help. And about the haircut, they're clearly not doing it to insult her. Whether or not it was her decision, or whether she was coerced or ordered or attacked by sentient lawnmowers, I think the point is that two of her friends (which is about half of her good friends), upon seeing her hair, either looked like they were about to cry, or actually cried upon seeing her hair. They can recognize that something is wrong, even if she can't (or at least refuses to acknowledge it). |
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Post by hypixion on May 22, 2015 14:59:55 GMT
So are they going to do it now or when they are at the Donlan's?
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Post by youwiththeface on May 22, 2015 15:44:05 GMT
So are they going to do it now or when they are at the Donlan's? Scout out the place now, then actually burgle it while Anthony's at the Donlan's maybe? Also: Antimony: "Kat, will you please not break in to my father's house?" Kat (out loud): "Sure, I will not break in to your father's house." Kat (thinking): "I mean it's going to be Don Katherine and Her First Robot who is going to do that anyway" The pedantic stooge in me feels the need to correct one point: Don Katerina. Otherwise, very much yes. |
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Post by nero on May 22, 2015 16:12:25 GMT
And then Kat pulls out the layout of Anthony's house and goes over the plan with Parley and Smitty.
At least now we know that the Forest knows.
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on May 22, 2015 16:55:59 GMT
And then Kat pulls out the layout of Anthony's house and goes over the plan with Parley and Smitty. During which, the Mission: Impossible theme begins to play... |
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Post by catsneezes on May 22, 2015 17:11:57 GMT
Yay for more hugs! And for hearing that the forest is concerned over Annie's disappearance. And good on Smitty for actually asking how Annie is doing.
Pretty excited to see the break-in, not gonna lie.
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Post by karl on May 22, 2015 17:29:30 GMT
Also: Antimony: "Kat, will you please not break in to my father's house?" Kat (out loud): "Sure, I will not break in to your father's house." Kat (thinking): "I mean it's going to be Don Katherine and Her First Robot who is going to do that anyway" The pedantic stooge in me feels the need to correct one point: Don Katerina. Otherwise, very much yes. Thanks to you I just found out that Kat's real name is Katerina and not Katherine. Also, there is no such thing as being too pedantic. A friend of mine learned that during his military service (which was quite a while ago, he just keeps on repeating that story every time we meet). Before a platoon can go on a weekend-leave they have to clean up all the assigned areas and they could not leave before the areas are satisfactory (unofficially known as clean enough to eat from it). A single grain of sand was found in a far-off corner, under some furniture and well, "the areas are not clean enough" and they needed to re-do everything. |
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Post by Sadie on May 22, 2015 17:47:39 GMT
The heck with Annie's abusive father, let's try not having her " they think they're being helpful" friends commit crimes in her name when she's specifically asked them not to. She said "please". Well it might not be in her name. In the last chapter, the only time Kat really snapped at Annie was when she found out about Rey. Judging by her look in that last panel and her attitude about the whole thing, I have a feeling this is more about a Rey rescue mission than Annie at the moment. That would explain why Kat would go against Annie's wishes, to help another friend who may need her help. And about the haircut, they're clearly not doing it to insult her. Whether or not it was her decision, or whether she was coerced or ordered or attacked by sentient lawnmowers, I think the point is that two of her friends (which is about half of her good friends), upon seeing her hair, either looked like they were about to cry, or actually cried upon seeing her hair. They can recognize that something is wrong, even if she can't (or at least refuses to acknowledge it). Agreed! I was watching Tom's commentary videos and he noted that Annie's infrequent changes in hairstyle (especially compared to Kat) reflected her resistance to and discomfort with change. While that's a story device, it's also something that in-universe characters would notice. Because Annie hasn't had such an obvious and dramatic hair cut in three years (aka the entire time anyone at Gunnerkrigg has known her), it's going to catch EVERYONE'S attention. It would strike them as completely out of character. If nothing else significant in her life had changed at that point, I'm pretty sure they'd all quickly transition from surprise to approval without too much drama. Good on you for shaking things up, Carver, 'bout time you tried something different, looks cute on you, etc. and so forth. The fact that it's an out-of-character change on the heels of a complete life upheaval is what's alarming everyone so much. Especially since it's been paired with an equally out-of-character lack of make-up. Again, Annie is resistant to change; so why, in the midst of a major life change largely beyond her control, would she willfully change herself? |
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Post by csj on May 22, 2015 18:44:10 GMT
Her father having a home is probably the biggest reveal on this page.
I mean, for all we know, his home is in outer space.
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Post by freeman on May 22, 2015 19:12:59 GMT
Also: Antimony: "Kat, will you please not break in to my father's house?" Kat (out loud): "Sure, I will not break in to your father's house." Kat (thinking): "I mean it's going to be Don Katherine and Her First Robot who is going to do that anyway" The pedantic stooge in me feels the need to correct one point: Don Katerina. Otherwise, very much yes. Insufficient pedancy. Don means about the same as 'sir', as in 'sir Robin of Loxley'; feminine form would be Doña. Thanks to you I just found out that Kat's real name is Katerina and not Katherine. Also, there is no such thing as being too pedantic. A friend of mine learned that during his military service (which was quite a while ago, he just keeps on repeating that story every time we meet). Before a platoon can go on a weekend-leave they have to clean up all the assigned areas and they could not leave before the areas are satisfactory (unofficially known as clean enough to eat from it). A single grain of sand was found in a far-off corner, under some furniture and well, "the areas are not clean enough" and they needed to re-do everything. It's just your normal hazing, or if put nicely: "character building". Main motive is to pass time, because if training is sceduled, training it be, no matter how riculous. Basically till the corporals or whatever you call the lowest rank conscript officers have permission to let the privates go, or llittle longer if they fancy or there's real dirt still around, but not too late, because their weekend leave would be delayed too. |
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Post by ninjaraven on May 22, 2015 19:17:25 GMT
I expect Annie still can't look Kat in the face for a couple of reasons: one is that she's still feeling really guilty about the whole cheating thing. The other is that she really, really hates the way Kat talks about her father. Good or not, abusive or not, Annie still loves her dad very much, and listening to Kat go on about him is likely extremely grating, and might push her to dig in and further overlook her father's flaws. It's going to take some time spent with ol' dad before Annie starts to reevaluate her relationship to him.
And while Rey cold use some rescuing, we don't know the nature of ownership transfer enough to know whether it was successful, or only a partial transfer (a la Hetty contract), or even if it was binding at all. If they rescue Rey, but find out that Tony does now control Rey (and he was just being his original ornery self), what then?
I think Kat is pushing this a bit too soon... but I guess we'll see.
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Post by fuzzyone on May 22, 2015 19:59:02 GMT
You know, I think this storyline is several of Chekov's Guns firing. We have the return of Annie's oft-mentioned father, and see why some people have such a low opinion of him. We have seen that Annie is very sensitive where her father is concerned, and now we're seeing what she's like around him. We have implications of the much-asked conditions of ownership of Reynard. He was left with Annie, because while he was owned by her, he was quite effectively controlled. And forcefully removing him from her would break that ownership. We may, in the coming pages, see the true effect of breaking that contract. While the first part of this was certainly a rough ride, I'm looking forward to seeing where this is going.
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on May 22, 2015 20:02:36 GMT
It's just your normal hazing, or if put nicely: "character building". Main motive is to pass time, because if training is sceduled, training it be, no matter how riculous. If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, paint it.  |
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Post by nightwind on May 22, 2015 20:06:05 GMT
I concede, you on the other thread, delete your posts. I'm very curious what Kat will finde in the house. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 22, 2015 21:49:14 GMT
The pedantic stooge in me feels the need to correct one point: Don Katerina. Otherwise, very much yes. Thanks to you I just found out that Kat's real name is Katerina and not Katherine. Also, there is no such thing as being too pedantic. A friend of mine learned that during his military service (which was quite a while ago, he just keeps on repeating that story every time we meet). Before a platoon can go on a weekend-leave they have to clean up all the assigned areas and they could not leave before the areas are satisfactory (unofficially known as clean enough to eat from it). A single grain of sand was found in a far-off corner, under some furniture and well, "the areas are not clean enough" and they needed to re-do everything. In regular units that's a make-work exercise. You can always find a dust particle or dig some dirt from a crevice of a rifle with a dental pick. Sometimes it's about maintaining discipline, sometimes it's about being a dick.  |
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Post by warrl on May 22, 2015 22:16:37 GMT
The mention of Coyote and Ysengrin's unhappy responses makes me wonder: did Anthony think out the ramifications of his new rules for Annie when he laid them down - ranifications that could lead to strained relations between the Court and the Wood? It'd be surprising if he hadn't; whatever else you can say about the man, he seems too logical and intelligent not to have considered the consequences. Unless it was a case of focusing so much on Annie that he didn't realize how his disciplining her would affect things beyond her activities - or maybe he simply dismisses the forest-folk as mere talking animals, nothing to be concerned about. Focusing so much on WHAT? He decided Annie should not have etheric abilities, therefore she doesn't get any opportunity to either learn about them or exercise them. Her visiting the Forest does not advance his interests, therefore there's no point in permitting it to happen. And it might allow her to learn or exercise etheric abilities. Effect on the Court? Dealing with that is Eglamore's and Parley's job. No concern of his. ----- Annie has asked Kat not to break into her father's house. She won't. She'll enter only by invitation. Parley will be happy to open the door from the inside and invite her in. |
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Post by TBeholder on May 22, 2015 23:48:18 GMT
Hey hey hey, Annie is looking Parley in the face when speaking to her. That's a politer behaviour then the way she treated Kat. That's because to turn away Annie would need to wrestle out of her grasp. After having all air squeezed out of her. Sometimes Parley's inability to recognize personal space is an advantage.  forcefully removing him from her would break that ownership. We may, in the coming pages, see the true effect of breaking that contract. While the first part of this was certainly a rough ride, I'm looking forward to seeing where this is going. It may go unanswered forever. Because the easiest and least suspicious way to extract Renard now is to "forcefully remove" him from the doll in question and provide him a new vessel. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 22, 2015 23:53:43 GMT
I said Coyote would be pissed about this, but everyone was all, "Nooo Coyote never gets angry about anything" From Kat's body language this whole chapter, it's become pretty clear that she's concluded that Annie is going to be an obstacle from now on, rather than an ally. It is heartening that's she's telling Andrew to tell the forest folk to be patient. That means she might still want to go back to the forest, and thinks her dad will allow that to happen in the future. She might be wrong about that, though. If there's one thing that could break this hold he's got over her, it's denying her access to the forest after she does everything he says. And he's totally gonna deny her access to the forest after she does everything he says, so it's just a matter of time. |
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Post by fuzzyone on May 23, 2015 0:00:07 GMT
Terrifying thought... Wildspec territory... Rey can possess anything with eyes. Giggleblade has eyes. Rey possesses giggleblade(I believe he hides it inside himself, as denoted in the chapter where Parley first uses it and slices Robot into bits and pieces.) Rey now wields the destructive power of Coyote's Tooth and is still in something Annie owns. And very few people knows she owns it.
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Post by ctso74 on May 23, 2015 2:10:45 GMT
Annie's indoctrination proves too strong and she snitches and Parsmit and Kat get caught...brrrrr Scary thought, I'm not to certain she won't. From Kat's body language this whole chapter, it's become pretty clear that she's concluded that Annie is going to be an obstacle from now on, rather than an ally. I'm wondering if Rey and Annie don't have more in common, now. Annie acts as if she's under some kind of geas, not to dissimilar to Rey. It doesn't matter why(emotional, etherical, technological) she obeys the geas, only that she does so similarly to Rey, and so she may be able to disobey it similarly to him, as well. If Rey knew and trusted someone trying to break into Annie's room, he wouldn't be happy at all, but he wouldn't turn them in. He'd keep an eye on them. If he thought they were trying to do something right, and it was required, he might even help just a little bit. Maybe even to escape. I wonder if Annie will help them in her own small way. Terrifying thought... Wildspec territory... Rey can possess anything with eyes. Giggleblade has eyes. Rey possesses giggleblade(I believe he hides it inside himself, as denoted in the chapter where Parley first uses it and slices Robot into bits and pieces.) Rey now wields the destructive power of Coyote's Tooth and is still in something Annie owns. And very few people knows she owns it. Damn. Had not even thought of that. I'm not sure he'd be able to move though. Would the blade's protean nature mean he could grow legs? Who knows. Maybe, Coyote meant for it to be a possible escape route for Rey, and he can call it back to his mouth. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 23, 2015 6:50:16 GMT
Terrifying thought... Wildspec territory... Rey can possess anything with eyes. Giggleblade has eyes. Rey possesses giggleblade(I believe he hides it inside himself, as denoted in the chapter where Parley first uses it and slices Robot into bits and pieces.) Rey now wields the destructive power of Coyote's Tooth and is still in something Annie owns. And very few people knows she owns it. Aha! The other day I speculated that Rey's lack of cooperation might have something to do with the lockpicks hidden inside the toy, but I couldn't quite figure out what the loophole would be there. But perhaps the blade makes more sense. I'd forgotten about that. The question is - Coyote is obviously more powerful than Reynardine - does a Coyote eye count as something he can possess? Who knows. Maybe, Coyote meant for it to be a possible escape route for Rey, and he can call it back to his mouth. In other words, from one prison to another ;P |
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Post by hypixion on May 23, 2015 9:00:51 GMT
Terrifying thought... Wildspec territory... Rey can possess anything with eyes. Giggleblade has eyes. Rey possesses giggleblade(I believe he hides it inside himself, as denoted in the chapter where Parley first uses it and slices Robot into bits and pieces.) Rey now wields the destructive power of Coyote's Tooth and is still in something Annie owns. And very few people knows she owns it. The tooth is a part oof coyote so I doubt Rey can do it as he can't take control of coyote. |
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Post by quark on May 23, 2015 13:34:42 GMT
The heck with Annie's abusive father, let's try not having her " they think they're being helpful" friends commit crimes in her name when she's specifically asked them not to. She said "please". Well it might not be in her name. In the last chapter, the only time Kat really snapped at Annie was when she found out about Rey. Judging by her look in that last panel and her attitude about the whole thing, I have a feeling this is more about a Rey rescue mission than Annie at the moment. That would explain why Kat would go against Annie's wishes, to help another friend who may need her help. I must agree - Annie's situation can't be helped anyway, at the moment, at least not by Kat. She could only help her if Annie wanted to help herself, which she doesn't. The only thing Kat can do is be civil to Anthony, bring in her parents and other authority figures such as Jones and Eglamore and then see how it plays out, which she does. The friend she's helping at the moment is Reynardine, and it's just her being courteous that she would tell Antimony about it. It's Annie's fault that he is at the mercy of Anthony, and while she might protest against any attempts to free him, it's not her decision to make, and it wouldn't be in her name. |
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Post by Señor Goose on May 23, 2015 22:56:38 GMT
"Stuff off Annie, let's break some rules!"
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on May 24, 2015 0:15:36 GMT
So close, yet so far. Annie doesn't have some sort of secret plan that she is hiding from her friends. She got caught cheating and now she's trying to make things right, the proper way. That is agency too.
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Post by Knight on May 24, 2015 4:14:08 GMT
"I promise I won't break in to your dad's house. Legion of robot zealots! Apprehend Anthony Carver!"
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Post by keef on May 24, 2015 19:16:43 GMT
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Post by kelantar on May 27, 2015 13:58:03 GMT
The pedantic stooge in me feels the need to correct one point: Don Katerina. Otherwise, very much yes. Insufficient pedancy. Don means about the same as 'sir', as in 'sir Robin of Loxley'; feminine form would be Doña. Well if we're being pedantic regarding others' pedanticalness, I would say that since the reason we're calling her Don Katerina is that we are referring to her as a mob boss, we should probably go with the Italian feminine, Donna. |
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Post by Chancellor on May 27, 2015 18:43:13 GMT
I hope they thought of the Court's tracking capability. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! |
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Post by Daedalus on May 28, 2015 18:05:50 GMT
I hope they thought of the Court's tracking capability. ...Kat knows about this - did she just forget? |
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