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Post by foresterr on Apr 3, 2015 7:45:55 GMT
If he tries to take Rey from her next... this is gonna end in either a wake-up scene or a patricide. If he tries and comes closer then within an inch of succeeding, Annie will restate her offer to free Rey and under the circumstances Rey will take it this time. So, if Tony even tries, the Court will rein him in. |
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Post by avurai on Apr 3, 2015 7:47:35 GMT
Yep, I think it's the former too. Or this is all a dream, it feels unreal. More unreal than bio-robot whale-ship abominations. Point against this simply being a dream: Annie wouldn't know her father's face looks like this. If that split lip is really from Zimmy, then it shouldn't show up in her dream. Annie remembers Zimmy punching him in the face. She simply recalled the event as a dream. The real thing she probably wouldn't know would be his prosthetic hand, and even that could be chalked up to subconscious awareness of what the bones jutting out of her etheric body actually were (probably fingers). |
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Post by elppa284 on Apr 3, 2015 7:47:42 GMT
Doing something awful for the right intentions doesn't make it ok. I think he knows what he's doing isn't the nicest way to go about it either, even if he might not realize just how emotionally abusive he's actually being.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 3, 2015 7:48:50 GMT
He's her dad. He either came back on his own or was brought back to rein his daughter in and this is what that looks like. The school didn't jerk her back a year, he did. But cheer up, folks. Even if she doesn't say no to him today she's still a kid. That grants her licence to cave now and then go and do whatever she wants later when he's not looking. The implications of that are twofold, as that means the Court has known Anthony's location and contact info this entire time. This changes a lot of things one way or the other. Either the Court knew where Anthony was before he returned and didn't disclose that information or Anthony returned of his own volition and has significant control over Court decisions and affairs. Regardless of which, Anthony and the Court are presently linked in an unforeseen way. Either the Court has control over Anthony or Anthony has control over the Court. 3rd possibility: A faction at Court knew where Anthony was hiding or at least how to contact him. Anthony having control over the Court... Would you settle for control over the school and his own daughter? Because that's what he's demonstrating. |
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Post by avurai on Apr 3, 2015 7:49:46 GMT
If he tries to take Rey from her next... this is gonna end in either a wake-up scene or a patricide. If he tries and comes closer then within an inch of succeeding, Annie will restate her offer to free Rey and under the circumstances Rey will take it this time. So, if Tony even tries, the Court will rein him in. That might be even more dangerous. Considering the control Anthony has exhibited over Court affairs so far, Renard could easily end up back in Court shackles and thus possibly in Anthony's control. |
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Post by Refugee on Apr 3, 2015 7:54:15 GMT
I don't think the Court approved of Annie being Coyote's Medium as much as tolerated it. They've probably been looking for an excuse.
And not to put too fine a point on it, but Annie is a minor child who has been misbehaving. Anthony is her Father.
He has grounded her, indefinitely. And yeah, that does sort of inconvenience everyone.
Huh.
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Also, I very seriously doubt this is a matter of Anthony "controlling" the Court. First of all, he's controlling his child, not the Court. And second, the Court has likely been looking for an excuse to do most of this. They might have suggested it to him.
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As for Rey? I think he's concerned for Annie as well. He might voluntarily withdraw from her. Or remain as a guard--I do not say guardian--against the agents of the Forest.
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Post by chrisjenl on Apr 3, 2015 7:55:36 GMT
There are now only a few options how things can end for me
1 this is a test for Annie/Kat/robots to see how they act and/or lor them out. (Robots after boot trip disester)
2 This a dream (very weak if I say so)
3 Annie run away to the forest and this is the begin of a big war into the future. Whit Annie at one site and Kat at the other site
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Post by Sky Schemer on Apr 3, 2015 7:56:05 GMT
Ok, I'm gonna call BS on Anthony for this. Not even the court as a whole has the authority to revoke the Forest Medium status, from what I recall. The Court might not, but a father? Abilities aside, Antimony is still a minor and Anthony is still her legal guardian. Push too hard, though, and she can run to the forest for good. It's not like Coyote is going to send her back. |
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Post by kagredon on Apr 3, 2015 7:58:49 GMT
Yep, I think it's the former too. Or this is all a dream, it feels unreal. More unreal than bio-robot whale-ship abominations. Point against this simply being a dream: Annie wouldn't know her father's face looks like this. If that split lip is really from Zimmy, then it shouldn't show up in her dream. Dream Anthony aught to have a face like the one in Annie's flashback. The panel where we see Kat's expression as she eavesdrops outside the door also makes me think it's not a dream--if the POV were more tightly centered on Annie, I'd believe it. I still think this is some kind of bluff on Anthony's part, though. |
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Post by The Anarch on Apr 3, 2015 8:00:49 GMT
It's a dream within a mystery wrapped inside an enigma.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Apr 3, 2015 8:01:18 GMT
Point against this simply being a dream: Annie wouldn't know her father's face looks like this. If that split lip is really from Zimmy, then it shouldn't show up in her dream. Annie remembers Zimmy punching him in the face. She simply recalled the event as a dream. The real thing she probably wouldn't know would be his prosthetic hand, and even that could be chalked up to subconscious awareness of what the bones jutting out of her etheric body actually were (probably fingers). More points against it being a dream: this is all entirely reasonable if you accept that this is just the sort of asshole thing the Court would do. "Anthony, can you come back here and help us control your child? We'll let you do whatever you need." |
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Post by avurai on Apr 3, 2015 8:03:39 GMT
The implications of that are twofold, as that means the Court has known Anthony's location and contact info this entire time. This changes a lot of things one way or the other. Either the Court knew where Anthony was before he returned and didn't disclose that information or Anthony returned of his own volition and has significant control over Court decisions and affairs. Regardless of which, Anthony and the Court are presently linked in an unforeseen way. Either the Court has control over Anthony or Anthony has control over the Court. 3rd possibility: A faction at Court knew where Anthony was hiding or at least how to contact him. Anthony having control over the Court... Would you settle for control over the school and his own daughter? Because that's what he's demonstrating. It likely remains to be seen, you're correct, as to whether he can actually keep Annie from being the forest medium by direct means or if he's simply not allowing her to perform her duties by way of being a controlling father. Regardless, the level of connections necessary for this to happen are shady and dubious in all sorts of ways. Parts of the Court obviously have vested interest in her being useful for political reasons, where (under the assumption the Court called him in) another part of the Court wanted him to reign her in at the cost of political gain. This is a conflict of interest if I've ever seen one, and somebody's not happy in the Court as a result of this. My question is, who gave Anthony this much control? Himself? Some unknown entity? A minor character we've seen in the comic once or twice? A collection of reoccurring characters? Are Donny and Jones in on this? Something shady is necessary for any of this to make sense. From what we've learned about the Court as a larger entity, they don't care about rule-breaking so long as students don't get caught... However, seeing as the Court didn't make Annie Court medium, but she instead became Forest medium by the Forest's decision, the Court (or parts of it) could be trying to cause a great imbalance and incite a negative reaction from the Forest. If they want to start a war. Apparently the Forest knows who Anthony is, and Ysengrin's claim that Anthony Carver planted tech by the Annan Waters is quite the interesting story-inclusion to be meaningless. Everything is speculation at this point, but there's fishiness required for this not to be part of a dream. |
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Post by csj on Apr 3, 2015 8:07:03 GMT
Okay I Will Make Up For Not Being Your Father By Being An Overbearing, Domineering Parent, Now That I Am Present
I Will Isolate You From All The Things Preventing You From Becoming What I Want You To Be
Your Education Is More Important Than Socialisation
It Is All For The Best
Fun Is A Distraction
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Post by karl on Apr 3, 2015 8:09:19 GMT
So, effectively, Anthony is saying that everything Antimony has done and achieved so far is expressed as "I'm very disappointed". Renard is probably next to go and after that I don't think there's anything left to take.
On the bright side though, I foresee robots under the lead of Robot and under the command of Angel (now: Don Catherine) taking all Anthonys pants to the dry cleaners and leaving a receipt so he can reclaim them in the morning. So next morning Anthony wakes up and goes like: "Yesterday was a good day - everything went according to plan and I achieved all of my objectives for the day. Wait - where are my pants?" *Timeskip: 10 minutes*. "It appears that all of my pants have been taken to the cleaners, leaving me with only underpants. However this presents a problem: I need pants to go to the cleaners to pick up my pants".
I'll be going to the alternate universe thread now, the one with androids and stuff and I'm going to pretend that it is canon and this is a grimdark fanfic.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 3, 2015 8:10:26 GMT
Looking at the last two frames, Annie says, "But I work for--", and her Father interrupts, "No".
That is, no she doesn't work for the Forest, or Coyote, and never has. She has always been a student and resident of the Court, which has tolerated this extra curricular activity.
At the very least, the Court can refuse to accept her as envoy. That sort of thing happens all the time. Diplomatic relations must necessarily be two sided.
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Post by aline on Apr 3, 2015 8:19:22 GMT
Looking at the last two frames, Annie says, "But I work for--", and her Father interrupts, "No". That is, no she doesn't work for the Forest, or Coyote, and never has. She has always been a student and resident of the Court, which has tolerated this extra curricular activity. At the very least, the Court can refuse to accept her as envoy. That sort of thing happens all the time. Diplomatic relations must necessarily be two sided. Yeah but that would be an offense to coyote. Otherwise they already would have. I mean clearly they weren't pleased with coyote's choice and the headmaster even tried to have Jones encourage Annie to say no. But he didn't dare directly oppose it. Now if Annie resigns on her own, it's just her decision. No diplomatic incident. Even if she did so because dad said to. |
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Post by KMar on Apr 3, 2015 8:20:48 GMT
I'm beginning to suspect that whatever will be the final outcome of this, Renard will not have to endure those mechanical fools he complained about.
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Post by guyy on Apr 3, 2015 8:23:10 GMT
Uhhh... is Tony aware that she got her forest-medium status from Coyote, who is basically omnipotent? He's probably not going to appreciate this. Nor is he likely to believe that she just resigned out of nowhere of her own free will, being the trickster god and all.
Though, I'm also expecting an explosion of blinker stone flames at some point in this conversation.
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Post by The Anarch on Apr 3, 2015 8:37:26 GMT
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Post by Fishy on Apr 3, 2015 8:40:53 GMT
At this point the only thing that makes me feel like it's not a dream is Anthony's hand. Annie doesn't know about what Zimmy did, at least not without disregarding it as a weird dream (Assuming that the whole hand thing is because of Zimmy). And even if she subconsciously did, would her mind really be able to piece his hand as the bones Zimmy indented into? Not that I doubt Annie's creativity but it's a little abstract to come through so clearly here. And if the whole hand business wasn't because of Zimmy, why would Annie's mind even have brought attention to it?
I'm on board with Rey being next on the hit list though. Either that or she has to room with Boxbot.
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Post by edzepp on Apr 3, 2015 8:44:41 GMT
God, this is all just becoming extremely painful. I mean, there has to be a limit to this right? What's next? No more Renard, no more hanging out with Kat? No more anything? Just study and do what Dad says and have no life at all? Is there an end point here?
And damn it, he's taking away the Friends apartment. I am all of the sads,
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 3, 2015 8:55:23 GMT
This one was really strange for me. It almost seems like he's trying to protect her (Surma was once the medium.) That or he's just a dick. I think it's the former. Yep, I think it's the former too. Or this is all a dream, it feels unreal. More unreal than bio-robot whale-ship abominations. Occams Razor says no, folks. It says no to all these scenarios that require all kinds of assumptions (or just creating stuff out of whole cloth) that people are desperately making up to try and show that the simplest explanation requiring the least assumptions and based on the most evidence is not the case. And that explanation is: Anthony is a guy who had mental health problems from the get go, since has been even more severely screwed up both mentally and physically, was cold bordering on abusive to Antimony her entire life, and now has jumped well over that border to take out all his anger and pain on her. Yes, sure, this is a story and the author can do what he wants, but even most stories - and definitely this story, being well written - have a logic that they generally follow; that's why, as an example, no matter how nice it would be and all happy jesting over in the other thread aside, Mort is probably not showing up to save the day. Observe: The idea that once everyone was gone he was going to give her a secret message? There was no reason at all to think so and now they are alone...well, that was bupkis; indeed he's getting even worse. And I say the same to the speculations that he really does care about her/is worried about her ending up like Surma/is really a secret agent who is protecting her from his nefarious enemies, and all similar proposals based on absolutely no evidence at all from his history or current behaviour. As for the posters who propose that all the humiliation, verbal and mental jerking around, isolation, threats, and every kind of abuse short of actually beating/starving/molesting...really is just normal and reasonable parental behaviour based on Antimony's having cheated, poo on you all. Poo, I say! and other bodily substances. That aside, a point of curiousity: How does this guy talk when he never moves his lips? He must sound rather odd! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 3, 2015 8:55:41 GMT
God, this is all just becoming extremely painful. I mean, there has to be a limit to this right? What's next? No more Renard, no more hanging out with Kat? No more anything? Just study and do what Dad says and have no life at all? The comic itself might be over... If kids were to actually do everything their parents tell them. Luckily there's that whole "break rules but don't get caught" thing that kids do. And some adults too. Hey, that rhymed. And damn it, he's taking away the Friends apartment. I have to admit that I was never a fan of the Friends apartment. Now it can just exist out there somewhere as an idealized place full of friends where Antimony [usually] isn't. Which was probably the point. |
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Post by pxc on Apr 3, 2015 8:56:51 GMT
I wish Tom would get on with it. I'm sure this will be compelling once we're no longer waiting for updates but my interest in /outrage at Tony Carver being a dickhead has been exhausted. Just get on with it, whatever it is.
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Post by aline on Apr 3, 2015 8:57:36 GMT
God, this is all just becoming extremely painful. I mean, there has to be a limit to this right? What's next? No more Renard, no more hanging out with Kat? No more anything? Just study and do what Dad says and have no life at all? Is there an end point here? And damn it, he's taking away the Friends apartment. I am all of the sads, Relax. Annie is the protagonist of this comic. Things will complicate I'm sure, but she won't end her life doing extra homework and being on time for dinner. Nor are all the characters we've met so far suddenly going to disappear. That would make for a pretty boring story.
It's something Annie has to overcome.
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Post by edzepp on Apr 3, 2015 9:05:20 GMT
I know, but every page is making my emotions hurt.
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Post by madragoran on Apr 3, 2015 9:07:36 GMT
I think this is too horrible to be a dream. Annie may be a minor but she has a family with the Nolans and Rey and strangely with Koyote. Legaly Anthony may have the upper hand but not if Annie goes into the forest (with or without turning him into toast first). I do not subscribe to the "he is the father so you have to do what he says" school of thought. Providing genetic material is not the same as being a parent. Plus I just want to hit him hard in the face. Annie has always been neglected and manipulated (not by her friends) what gives him the right to burge in her life and dictate stuff? Annie is not working as a medium. She is a medium. She is a fire elemental. Forcing her to stop being that would be like forcing me to write with my right hand (I am left handed). It'd hurt me and it only end up in a mess. Doesn't anyone, grown up, care about Annie? (yes Sir James Eglamore I am looking at you!)
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Post by edzepp on Apr 3, 2015 9:10:23 GMT
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 3, 2015 9:10:45 GMT
He's her dad. He either came back on his own or was brought back to rein his daughter in and this is what that looks like. The school didn't jerk her back a year, he did. But cheer up, folks. Even if she doesn't say no to him today she's still a kid. That grants her licence to cave now and then go and do whatever she wants later when he's not looking. The implications of that are twofold, as that means the Court has known Anthony's location and contact info this entire time. This changes a lot of things one way or the other. Either the Court knew where Anthony was before he returned and didn't disclose that information or Anthony returned of his own volition and has significant control over Court decisions and affairs. Regardless of which, Anthony and the Court are presently linked in an unforeseen way. Either the Court has control over Anthony or Anthony has control over the Court. Hm...in light of recent events and that not unlikely possibility, the confrontation between the court, Coyote, and Ysengrin when they thought Annie's shirt was something Anthony planted takes on a different dimension. |
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Post by speedwell on Apr 3, 2015 9:11:35 GMT
She works, you could say, for the Realm of the Dead. Anthony can strip her naked and lock her in a stone cell, and she will still be a psychopomp. That's not trivial or irrelevant.I think a good hard stare at the 6th treatise is in order: Leaving aside Kat's side of the frame for the time being, we see that Antimony is not depicted as in any way caged, inert, unhappy, or tied by any means to the Court or restrained by the technological. - It's the Tree itself that separates her from the Court and its bleakness. But we see it has its roots in both Court and Forest.
- She is not only "grounded", she is standing barefoot in a plowed field. While this symbolism is mythologically equivalent to becoming pregnant, I think that's hardly appropriate at this point in the story and probably just indicates Antimony being "in touch with the earth" or even being the agent of fertility itself.
- The leaves and twigs coming out of her hair look like they have grown in place and could indicate her being or becoming one with the Forest.
- We see the cut on her face, so she's possibly present in the etheric sense; however, we usually see the cut as red; here, it is a healed scar, or at least healing.
- Ysengrin's wooden form resembles fire; perhaps his alliances are shifting.
- Antimony is standing in a way that seems to be beckoning or inviting. (Kat, by contrast, is standing in a defensive posture.)
- Mort's helmet, that disappeared into the Ether when he did, is present here to remind us that Antimony is a psychopomp; as it is leaning against the roots of the Tree, we could read that either the cause of the separation or its resolution could have something to do with the Realm of the Dead.
- Reynardine is still stuck on the Court side.
Also possibly significant, if speculative: - Is the human figure standing in the redness of the background on the left Anthony?
- Does the redness of that background area itself indicate something on fire?
- The figure on Kat's side at the roots of the tree is an artist's posing mannequin. Is she going to attempt to create androids by incorporating the natural magic of the Forest more into her robot models?
- From bottom to top on Antimony's side of the Tree, we see Coyote (the imagination-created Power), Antimony's symbol (the protagonist), and the Fire Crown (what motivates Antimony and gives her life). On Kat's side of the Tree, we see the Etheric Computer in the Moon's form (the Power created from the imagination of Anja, that is used by Donald to create things out of the Ether), Kat's symbol (the co-protagonist), and the Sun symbol (the "masculine" and technological energy that motivates Kat).
- In the triangle at the top, pointed upward (this mystically indicates "good" or "beneficial" energy, or something originating from "above"), we see zeta at the peak and gamma, curiously, in the sympathetic and warm Forest side. On the Court side, we see iota; I don't think this refers to a character so much as it is actually just the English word I, or Ego, corresponding to selfishness. (I'm still thinking about the bottom triangle, but its orientation typically indicates "base" or "dark" energy, or energy from "below".)
- The vines in the bottom left could indicate encroachment of the Forest upon the Court.
- The fire symbol behind Reynardine could indicate anything to do with Antimony or even Surma.
I noticed, but don't have an explanation for:
- The fairy in the bottom right
- The moon (?) symbol behind Ysengrin
- The exact significance of Kat's Renaissance workman's outfit, though I have some vague notions
- What is meant by the symbols on Kat's and Antimony's left shoulders
- The Taurus symbol at the very top of the Tree
- Possibly most importantly: the symbols in the downward-pointing triangle (other than Mercury in the lowest position, which could indicate Antimony's chaotic tendencies causing her issues)
Naturally my word isn't canon. But I think we don't need to fear that Antimony is going to be cooped up in the Court with no access to the Forest for an indefinite period. |
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