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Post by edzepp on Mar 27, 2015 14:43:34 GMT
You know what, cuttlefish? I like the way you think.
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Mar 27, 2015 15:00:01 GMT
You know what, cuttlefish? I like the way you think. Why thank you, glad I'm off to a good start. And looking forward to participating around the place, love GC. |
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Post by Max on Mar 27, 2015 15:06:15 GMT
I hope Kat can forgive Annie sooner rather than later. She has every right to be angry at Kat, but Annie is really going to need her friend around after this is over.
ETA: Of course, sharing an apartment is going to force them to interact at some point.
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 27, 2015 15:19:00 GMT
You know what, cuttlefish? I like the way you think. Seconded. |
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Post by heranje on Mar 27, 2015 15:19:35 GMT
I feel like the logical next step of pushing Annie and Kat apart from each other and into the respective worlds of the Forest and the Court (as seems to be the overall theme of their friendship in the story) would be for Annie to be transferred to Foley. Perhaps her fire elemental heritage and closer ties with the forest could serve as justification for that as a measure to separate them and stop the cheating.
Edit: Though I could also see it being Chester - the "house for weirdos", right?
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Post by machival on Mar 27, 2015 15:25:24 GMT
A rather condescending, and old school (1950s old school), position to take. One that isn't supported by reality – students, even exceedingly gifted students (sometimes especially gifted students), struggle for all sorts of reasons. That attitude is one of the reasons why so many go unaided in their struggles. We do, after all, live in a world where Darwin was considered dull by his teachers, Churchill failed 6th grade and Einstein was expelled at 15 (and, if I remember rightly, was considered the class dunce by the headmaster who expelled him). We don't know why Antimony cheats. But assuming the only reason a person could struggle at school is because they aren't pulling themselves up by their bootstraps hard enough is not a good worldview. I most definitely agree with this. One thing we should remember when it comes to Antimony is that she probably wasn't receiving anything like a classroom education prior to her arrival at Gunnerkrigg Court (given that until her mother's death, she'd have been unable to travel far). She was probably getting the equivalent of home schooling from either Anthony or Surma, (or both)and we don't know what the quality of that was. Given that she's doing well in history and biology, but cheating heavily everywhere else, we can assume she got her best education in the specialties of her parents. That doesn't mean though that her parents adequately prepared her for other subjects she'd face at Gunnerkrigg, such as the nuances of "Double Physics." She probably started cheating because she was completely lost in certain subjects. Switching educational institutions can lead to big drops in performance if a student is dropped into a curriculum they aren't prepared for. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 27, 2015 15:26:02 GMT
You know what, cuttlefish? I like the way you think. Why thank you, glad I'm off to a good start. And looking forward to participating around the place, love GC. Well, you basically perfectly elucidated my own thoughts and added some I hadn't considered. You also remind me of the flying octopus from 'Catalyst'. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 15:58:04 GMT
A rather condescending, and old school (1950s old school), position to take. One that isn't supported by reality – students, even exceedingly gifted students (sometimes especially gifted students), struggle for all sorts of reasons. That attitude is one of the reasons why so many go unaided in their struggles. We do, after all, live in a world where Darwin was considered dull by his teachers, Churchill failed 6th grade and Einstein was expelled at 15 (and, if I remember rightly, was considered the class dunce by the headmaster who expelled him). We don't know why Antimony cheats. But assuming the only reason a person could struggle at school is because they aren't pulling themselves up by their bootstraps hard enough is not a good worldview. I most definitely agree with this. One thing we should remember when it comes to Antimony is that she probably wasn't receiving anything like a classroom education prior to her arrival at Gunnerkrigg Court (given that until her mother's death, she'd have been unable to travel far). She was probably getting the equivalent of home schooling from either Anthony or Surma, (or both)and we don't know what the quality of that was. Given that she's doing well in history and biology, but cheating heavily everywhere else, we can assume she got her best education in the specialties of her parents. That doesn't mean though that her parents adequately prepared her for other subjects she'd face at Gunnerkrigg, such as the nuances of "Double Physics." She probably started cheating because she was completely lost in certain subjects. Switching educational institutions can lead to big drops in performance if a student is dropped into a curriculum they aren't prepared for. She was studying better than her peers early on, when that home education was still in her recent memory, and longer the time that has elapsed since she quit that home schooling, the worse she's been doing. She did not start out handicapped, but has only not advanced like the others, and the reason is obvious and has so been for so long that it is mere denialism to not accept it now: she has been head full of all kinds of adventures and has not been doing her school work, instead copying from Kat. By the way, there's a lot of myths about famous scientist having been bad in school, Einstein being the number one object of completely false myths. Reality is, he was always an excellent student, albeit rebellious. He entered two very competitive schools under official age of acceptance, one of them requesting knowledge of language to which he had been exposed for only a short while (French), and was not expelled from the Luitpold Gymnasium, but left it voluntarily (getting a doctor's order to stop the school) to join his family in Italy with the probable motivation of avoiding military duty in Germany. And as far as I know, the remarks on him being unable to get far were from his Greek teacher and concerned, yes, his Greek, a subject he apparently was not interested in and considered to be in his most weak area, and yet passed with decent grades. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 27, 2015 16:32:04 GMT
This explains his strictness with her. I think he intends to try and help her, or find some way for her to get tutoring? Not sure. Also, every one of you should keep in mind that he was not cruel enough to call her out on her cheating while everyone was there watching. She's been embarrassed a lot up to this point, but I think Anthony waiting until everyone was gone to talk about this, especially in such a personal way ("I am disappointed in my daughter, I thought she was better than this." For once his strict tone seems to make sense. He is upset with her, but he DOES NOT appear to HATE her. If he hated her, he would be doing much more than just talking to her about this after class. Fair enough. I've been critical of him (hell, I still am), but I'm willing to give him this point. On the other hand... the thing about "in class" cuts both ways. He is apparently one of the two teachers who should *not* be discussing this with her *as a teacher*. He hasn't given himself an opportunity to resume being her father, he hasn't been established as a mentor, and he certainly hasn't acted as a friend; so "teacher" is the only role he has at present. If, after the day's classes are over, he had gone to the dorms and said "Excuse me, but I need to have a private conversation with my daughter", that would be fine. In fact, acknowledging the relationship would count for a lot. But he didn't. He's doing this as a teacher - and because she (almost certainly) has another class to go to, there won't be time for discussing any other topic, so he can't start now on any other role. Net effect: he's out of line because of really lousy timing. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 27, 2015 16:32:24 GMT
Annie may have been cheating so heavily because she wanted to stay in the same classes as Kat. Over time Annie would have been placed in the basic classes while Kat got placed in advanced classes. The only classes they might share would be biology and history.
I am confident that Kat will forgive Annie quickly. Kat may even feel bad for not noticing that Annie was struggling to keep up even though Annie was hiding the problem from Kat.
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Post by warrl on Mar 27, 2015 16:37:17 GMT
Anything's machine-readable with enough time, effort, and competence on the behalf of the programmers. I assume it is possible at the Court, because it's possible (but hard) here in the mundane non-GKC universe. I am reminded of a story where over-enthusiastic Universal Translators started translating starlight into English. And on another forum there's a guy who says his handwriting is so bad that a couple hours later he can't read it himself. |
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Post by kelantar on Mar 27, 2015 16:45:31 GMT
I wonder what Gunnerkrigg's policy on cheating is? My worry here would be that Anthony would try to use this as an excuse to have Annie expelled, or to withdraw her from the school. And if he did try that, would Annie come quietly? Would Kat let her go quietly? My hope is that Kat would tell Annie that she's mad for the cheating, and they'd talk about it later, but would still be ready to fight her father in the interim. This has been an excellent crash course in how abuse excusing works. THANK YOU. It is possible that Anthony is referring to something other than an actual syllabus, but I'd question his use of that term then. You are putting way too much stock in one word. Syllabus is a synonym for curriculum. Many people these days use it to refer to a physical copy, but there is no guarantee that he has provided or will provide and form of it to the students. I don't see any evidence that they had to prepare anything beforehand, and if the rule about the makeup was anywhere, don't you think someone (like Kat) would have mentioned it to her, even if she hadn't read it? And if the syllabus is "of his own design," I highly doubt it wouldn't have his name attached to it somewhere. *Unless you've got something like dyslexia, but that's a condition you can work with, just takes a bit more work and requires the teachers to take that into account, and anyway, that's not the case here. Actually, this is an interesting point. I read a book where the protagonist assumed he had dyslexia, but it turned out that because he had a supernatural background (he was a type of creature that didn't use written language), he couldn't process language well. This could be actually what's going on with Antimony, although in a different way. She is an etherical being, and might be unable to understand more advanced science/mathematics/technology in the same way that Donald can't use a blinker stone and Kat can't do Annie's meditation floaty firebird tricks. The brief conversation at the end of this page seems to suggest that Surma was also not good at science, while Anja simply remarks that she is smart in other ways. This is just wildspec on my part though. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 27, 2015 16:50:35 GMT
I most definitely agree with this. One thing we should remember when it comes to Antimony is that she probably wasn't receiving anything like a classroom education prior to her arrival at Gunnerkrigg Court (given that until her mother's death, she'd have been unable to travel far). She was probably getting the equivalent of home schooling from either Anthony or Surma, (or both)and we don't know what the quality of that was. Given that she's doing well in history and biology, but cheating heavily everywhere else, we can assume she got her best education in the specialties of her parents. That doesn't mean though that her parents adequately prepared her for other subjects she'd face at Gunnerkrigg, such as the nuances of "Double Physics." She probably started cheating because she was completely lost in certain subjects. Switching educational institutions can lead to big drops in performance if a student is dropped into a curriculum they aren't prepared for. She was studying better than her peers early on, when that home education was still in her recent memory, and longer the time that has elapsed since she quit that home schooling, the worse she's been doing. She did not start out handicapped, but has only not advanced like the others, and the reason is obvious and has so been for so long that it is mere denialism to not accept it now: she has been head full of all kinds of adventures and has not been doing her school work, instead copying from Kat. I think where I have the most trouble with your viewpoint is that the educational aspect of Gunnerkrigg, and really Annie's education in general, has never been focused on long enough for us to get a total feel for how well she's doing or how she behaves in class. Yes, the unruliness has probably not helped, but the problems have existed even when she wasn't having as many adventures. And the point about geniuses may not have been well-informed, but I think the general point is that her problems may be rooted in some issue with learning and not some inherent character flaw. Again, the later behavior issues wouldn't help matters, but her issues started before it got to that point. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 17:12:57 GMT
I wonder what Gunnerkrigg's policy on cheating is? My worry here would be that Anthony would try to use this as an excuse to have Annie expelled, or to withdraw her from the school. And if he did try that, would Annie come quietly? Would Kat let her go quietly? My hope is that Kat would tell Annie that she's mad for the cheating, and they'd talk about it later, but would still be ready to fight her father in the interim. Rather, he might be able to keep her in the school. If he just tells about it, sure she's expelled or at least dropped to an earlier year automatically. Come on! It's not as if she cheated in one or two exams, but that her answers from last two years are almost only copied from others. It is possible that Anthony is referring to something other than an actual syllabus, but I'd question his use of that term then. You are putting way too much stock in one word. Syllabus is a synonym for curriculum. Many people these days use it to refer to a physical copy, but there is no guarantee that he has provided or will provide and form of it to the students. I don't see any evidence that they had to prepare anything beforehand, and if the rule about the makeup was anywhere, don't you think someone (like Kat) would have mentioned it to her, even if she hadn't read it? And if the syllabus is "of his own design," I highly doubt it wouldn't have his name attached to it somewhere. is not a synonym to curriculum. It's sense is to tell what is expected to them, what is offered to them, how this is evaluated, and what happens if they fail it. The whole concept of syllabus makes no sense whatsoever if the students are unaware of it. It is like giving laws without publishing them. Even if it was not distributed as it may not be for the elementary school kids (can't remember ever seeing a syllabus there), it must somehow be communicated. "Prepare beforehand", I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand to some people here, but "prepare for the course" is not "prepare something for the course in beforehand". Good preparation for the course is an elemental part of going through it well. The minimum is that you inform yourself of what will be taught to you, what are the objectives of the course, what you are expected to know already. There may be more required, if the course, for example, requires you to use a calculator or a book that is not distributed, in which case you will have to get a one. But you cannot prepare for the course if its basic contents, objectives and rules are not told you. And if you have no clue about the course is about, then it will be just that much harder for you to follow it. It is the same reason why you're always instructed to read the table of contents and the introduction first from every book, not to skip them like hasty kids tend to do "to cut straight to the business", because those parts give you the key to understand the particular parts of the content relative to the whole. *Unless you've got something like dyslexia, but that's a condition you can work with, just takes a bit more work and requires the teachers to take that into account, and anyway, that's not the case here. Actually, this is an interesting point. I read a book where the protagonist assumed he had dyslexia, but it turned out that because he had a supernatural background (he was a type of creature that didn't use written language), he couldn't process language well. This could be actually what's going on with Antimony, although in a different way. She is an etherical being, and might be unable to understand more advanced science/mathematics/technology in the same way that Donald can't use a blinker stone and Kat can't do Annie's meditation floaty firebird tricks. The brief conversation at the end of this page seems to suggest that Surma was also not good at science, while Anja simply remarks that she is smart in other ways. This is just wildspec on my part though. It suggests Surma was significantly worse than Anja, which could make her normal. I'm bound to think that she sucked at science, however, like Annie, but since there has been not a single occasion in which Annie would have focused on something like maths or physics here, it at least has not required an incapacity to understand it for her to fail it. She would have to work with it first. |
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Post by calpal on Mar 27, 2015 17:17:35 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but reading all these pages as they come makes me feel like I'm on a roller coaster ride, and I can only talk about how good it was AFTER getting off the ride.
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 17:19:45 GMT
She was studying better than her peers early on, when that home education was still in her recent memory, and longer the time that has elapsed since she quit that home schooling, the worse she's been doing. She did not start out handicapped, but has only not advanced like the others, and the reason is obvious and has so been for so long that it is mere denialism to not accept it now: she has been head full of all kinds of adventures and has not been doing her school work, instead copying from Kat. I think where I have the most trouble with your viewpoint is that the educational aspect of Gunnerkrigg, and really Annie's education in general, has never been focused on long enough for us to get a total feel for how well she's doing or how she behaves in class. Yes, the unruliness has probably not helped, but the problems have existed even when she wasn't having as many adventures. And the point about geniuses may not have been well-informed, but I think the general point is that her problems may be rooted in some issue with learning and not some inherent character flaw. Again, the later behavior issues wouldn't help matters, but her issues started before it got to that point. It is true that there has been little attention to the classes, for which reason there is a slight speculation here, but it is clear that she has paid never mind to the school since she got invited to the Forest and just copied Kat for two years now. Of course, if you're a genius like Einstein, you can skip classes because you're more advanced than your teacher, but that's certainly not the case with Annie. She's been so much away from the class and she's never made the effort to catch the others - asking Kat to help with homework instead of copying it from her would have been the obvious thing to do. We have never seen her actually struggling with her studies, rather to happily let it pass on any occasion and move on to whatever else there might be. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 17:24:50 GMT
Fair enough. I've been critical of him (hell, I still am), but I'm willing to give him this point. On the other hand... the thing about "in class" cuts both ways. He is apparently one of the two teachers who should *not* be discussing this with her *as a teacher*. He hasn't given himself an opportunity to resume being her father, he hasn't been established as a mentor, and he certainly hasn't acted as a friend; so "teacher" is the only role he has at present. If, after the day's classes are over, he had gone to the dorms and said "Excuse me, but I need to have a private conversation with my daughter", that would be fine. In fact, acknowledging the relationship would count for a lot. But he didn't. He's doing this as a teacher - and because she (almost certainly) has another class to go to, there won't be time for discussing any other topic, so he can't start now on any other role. Net effect: he's out of line because of really lousy timing. He is doing this as a father, which is clear from how he starts this by stating how disappointed he is. And certainly, he must talk about this with her, as soon as possible and I'd say before he talks to anybody else about it, if he wants to keep her in the school and make her stop cheating and start studying. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 27, 2015 17:33:52 GMT
Oh Anthony (if that's really your name, I'm still not entirely convinced*), you're even being hamfisted in tackling this, when it should be so much easier for you. Also, if he is aware Kat is likely to be listening... grrrrr. Though wait, I thought Kat knew Antimony had copied from her in the past? But I wonder if this is setting up the true reason he didn't give her the book - he's going to be personally tutoring her. And presumably keeping the fact she cheated secret, since I suspect no one else knows. *Really, this would have to have been kept from the other staff if it's real. Eglamore, Donnie, Jones... I can't imagine them going along with the "lets ensure Antimony is surprised in class by her father returning as a teacher" plan. I'm glad you mentioned this. I was thinking that the others did find out, gave her the chance to stop on her own, and when she didn't called Anthony to step in. That would have been too awkward. But, if he's the only one that's noticed so far, it gives him the opportunity to deal with things himself. And if that leads to other opportunities... She was probably getting the equivalent of home schooling from either Anthony or Surma, (or both)and we don't know what the quality of that was. Given that she's doing well in history and biology, but cheating heavily everywhere else, we can assume she got her best education in the specialties of her parents. That doesn't mean though that her parents adequately prepared her for other subjects she'd face at Gunnerkrigg, such as the nuances of "Double Physics." Maybe AnUpliftedCuttlefish is correct, and that's why he didn't pass out a book to her. He may have come to personally tutor her. If he shows the same dedication to this, as he has to whatever he's been doing for the past few years, she could end up wishing he never came back. As for reasons why she cheated, she's not be as smart as Kat in some subjects. We don't know how GC does its classes, but if they place students in classrooms based on aptitude, Annie may have had to cheat to stay in so many classes with Kat. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 27, 2015 17:40:27 GMT
Oh Anthony (if that's really your name, I'm still not entirely convinced*), you're even being hamfisted in tackling this, when it should be so much easier for you. Also, if he is aware Kat is likely to be listening... grrrrr. Though wait, I thought Kat knew Antimony had copied from her in the past? But I wonder if this is setting up the true reason he didn't give her the book - he's going to be personally tutoring her. And presumably keeping the fact she cheated secret, since I suspect no one else knows. *Really, this would have to have been kept from the other staff if it's real. Eglamore, Donnie, Jones... I can't imagine them going along with the "lets ensure Antimony is surprised in class by her father returning as a teacher" plan. I'm glad you mentioned this. I was thinking that the others did find out, gave her the chance to stop on her own, and when she didn't called Anthony to step in. That would have been too awkward. But, if he's the only one that's noticed so far, it gives him the opportunity to deal with things himself. And if that leads to other opportunities... She was probably getting the equivalent of home schooling from either Anthony or Surma, (or both)and we don't know what the quality of that was. Given that she's doing well in history and biology, but cheating heavily everywhere else, we can assume she got her best education in the specialties of her parents. That doesn't mean though that her parents adequately prepared her for other subjects she'd face at Gunnerkrigg, such as the nuances of "Double Physics." Maybe AnUpliftedCuttlefish is correct, and that's why he didn't pass out a book to her. He may have come to personally tutor her. If he shows the same dedication to this, as he has to whatever he's been doing for the past few years, she could end up wishing he never came back. As for reasons why she cheated, she's not be as smart as Kat in some subjects. We don't know how GC does its classes, but if they place students in classrooms based on aptitude, Annie may have had to cheat to stay in so many classes with Kat. this one when Annie didn't get a book. |
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Post by bluevitriol on Mar 27, 2015 19:31:00 GMT
There's been no mention anywhere in the text of this chapter of the students being distributed a syllabus containing rules such as "cosmetics is forbidden in this class"; we're only assuming that that happened because some real-life schools followed such a practice. They are presumably in the U.K. and would more than likely have been given a syllabus well before classes. It is part of the U.K. National Curriculum to forewarn students (and parents) of what is to be taught in the class and what is expected to avoid any SNAFU's or problems thereof. This is due to Religion, Allergies, Sensitivities (faint at sight of blood etc)and also so the student can keep track of their progress. In fact, the U.K. and Germany have the most Syllabus' of any countries and have them for just about everything from pre-school up past college and even trade-schools. My entire education from grade 7 up we were given syllabus' on day one of each class, even Physical Education so we knew when tests, etc. were to be had... this being the United states prior to the turn of the century. I would call a class lax if they did not have a syllabus because they are mostly online now. With that being said: 1) I'm sure they were given a syllabus beforehand since they were not handed out FIRST in class (and then discussed as normal) 2) I'm sure that on the syllabus there was mention of NO MAKEUP since it is a biology class, and that is usually not good in that environment. 3) I'm sure Annie didn't read it as she was wearing make-up and nobody else was apparently. 4) Also not no other student interrupted him during class. If for even a moment you think there was no syllabus, then you are alluding that Anthony is a "Lazy" and non-detail oriented teacher. Ok then, I'm still on Anthony's side in this, I'm sure he knows about Jones knowing about her cheating, as I am sure she would let him know something that important. I'm also certain that his teaching Biology isn't coincidence either, maybe there is something that she must know to help her survival. Perhaps he will help her and in the process give Kat the idea to further ethericize her robots into living beings... perhaps even have her write a special paper on Fire Elemental Biology, something she could research in the forest. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 27, 2015 19:38:22 GMT
Asperger syndrome? Kind of fits his personality. Could be. Or schizotypal disorder. Or some combination of both. The line between Schizoid and Schizotypal can be blurry, but "magical thinking" and ideas of reference are strong indicators for Schizotypal. A seeming absence of them, plus a strong inclination to the practical, would put him squarely in the Schizoid camp. Though most Schizoids are better at hiding it, some are not. That alone could explain his entire behavior. |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 27, 2015 19:55:18 GMT
I wonder if Anthony not giving Annie a book had something to do with watching to see how she worked together with Kat. I feel like something about this was important, but I can't fully put my finger on it. I think that he want to separate her from Kat so they take different classes (it is the more logic solution, really), and because she won't be in his class it would be pointless to give her a book. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 27, 2015 19:56:42 GMT
Perhaps I'm just a hopeless optimist, but I'm really hoping for the "assigns Kat as Annie's tutor" Good+ Ending.
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Post by kelantar on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:11 GMT
  My assumption was that it was a semantic difference between the US and UK. But I could be mistaken. Also, I've never received a syllabus before the first class session except during an online class. Again, this is just my experience, but from what I've seen in the comic, they had nothing to go on until the class started. |
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Post by nero on Mar 27, 2015 20:04:53 GMT
Was Annie the only one with makeup? I thought Margo had some makeup.
I had hoped that Annie would have stopped cheating after Jones told her to step it up, although she might have stopped, we're not really sure. I was hoping that Annie would have told Kat.
Poor Kat must be remembering what Annie told her back in Thread. That Annie would be the one to push her away by her own actions. I'm sure Kat will be angry but I think she'll also be disappointed that
Annie wasn't brave enough to come clean on her own. However depending on what else Anthony might say, Kat could forget about it for the moment and support Annie.
I don't think teachers would speak out during class about cheating, unless its done during a test.
In middle school my friend asked me beforehand if I would help her cheat on test. Since it was just one test, and this was my good friend, I allowed it.
The teacher did meet privately with the two us after the results came, and I did get a reduced score, but I didn't care about that.
To me it seems that the chapter will just focus on Annie's cheating and we'll never get any details on Anthony's presence. Unless Kat intervenes and confronts him on his horrible parenting.
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Post by sebastian on Mar 27, 2015 20:06:37 GMT
How recently did Annie get discovered I wonder? 2 years of cheating, and no one noticed or said anything until around now? Man, this is really causing my brain to itch now. when I cheated at that age, my school let me keep cheating for half a year before calling me out on it. They knew pretty early on but wanted to give me a chance to stop on my own. Two years is too long tho. I think the court mostly don't really care, remember, in the Court you can break the rules, as long as you are not caught. I think teaching how creatively breaking the rules without getting caught is one of the most important things the court want you to learn, if not the main one, why with the easily hackable security and what-not. |
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Post by kelantar on Mar 27, 2015 20:07:30 GMT
1) I'm sure they were given a syllabus beforehand since they were not handed out FIRST in class (and then discussed as normal) 2) I'm sure that on the syllabus there was mention of NO MAKEUP since it is a biology class, and that is usually not good in that environment. 3) I'm sure Annie didn't read it as she was wearing make-up and nobody else was apparently. 4) Also not no other student interrupted him during class. I could have sworn Margo always wears lipstick, but I could be mistaken and that's just how her lips look. I also highly doubt that there is a syllabus with that rule in it, simply because, once again, I can't imagine that Anthony's name wouldn't be on it, and that Kat or someone else wouldn't have informed Annie of that rule, knowing that she always wears makeup. Also, the shocked look on everyone's faces as he says it would be uncharacteristic of Tom to put in if everyone else already knew. |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 27, 2015 20:26:50 GMT
Yet. You haven't heard his remedy to the situation yet... and the logical one would be to separate Antimony and Kat. I could totally see him pulling that after finally acting somewhat reasonably. Screw that. He's not taking away the person that reached out to her and kept her from being completely alone and supported her while he wasn't around. Not if either girl can help it. To separate them in different classes. I doubt he would forbid them to see each other when out of lessons. |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 27, 2015 20:36:27 GMT
Was Annie the only one with makeup? I thought Margo had some makeup. Honestly, I doubt that there was anyone else with that much makeup. Beside, i like the explanation someone give, that he used it as an excuse to send he out so he could distribute the book without her seeing his hand. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 27, 2015 20:43:32 GMT
If the students had the syllabus before class started, and it said no cosmetics, then I feel confident that Kat would have read it and warned Annie about the cosmetic rule before class.
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