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Post by popo on Dec 5, 2007 6:16:51 GMT
Early update.I guess Annie wasn't unhappy to see Ketrak after all.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 5, 2007 6:26:00 GMT
Huh.
Considering how many insects there are, he/she must not get a minute's rest.
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Post by spritznar on Dec 5, 2007 6:51:46 GMT
one could probably say the same thing about the guides for humans. what was the last count? six billion ish?
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Post by popo on Dec 5, 2007 6:58:50 GMT
one could probably say the same thing about the guides for humans. what was the last count? six billion ish? There are multiple guides for humans. It's still alot for each of them, but it's got to be easier than what Ketrak gos through.
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Post by Goatmon on Dec 5, 2007 7:01:06 GMT
one could probably say the same thing about the guides for humans. what was the last count? six billion ish? Hey, at least there's multiple guides. Imagine doing it alone.
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Post by Ed130 on Dec 5, 2007 8:11:21 GMT
Theres probably a separate guide for different insect classes like one for ants and such, still the shear numbers for just flies alone must me incredible.
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Post by La Goon on Dec 5, 2007 11:01:50 GMT
Well, as Annie says - Ketrak is probably "immensely busy as always". I guess those guides can somehow bend time or be at more places at a time. Most likely it's something one isn't supposed to think too deeply about or do maths on. It is mythology (-ish) after all.
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Post by Boksha on Dec 5, 2007 11:33:10 GMT
I'm sure Kat will get to that.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 5, 2007 12:26:13 GMT
I do hope we get to see Ketrak soon.
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Post by Neon on Dec 5, 2007 12:38:40 GMT
This page is full of adorable and pretty. Annie's smile in the third panel makes me melt.
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Post by todd on Dec 5, 2007 12:39:56 GMT
If Ketrak's a guide for insects, maybe we're better off not seeing him - considering what those things look like up close. (He's almost certainly going to be a giant bug.)
It makes sense that the Guides would be assigned to specific individuals. The one other specific case of a Guide coming for somebody (besides Ketrak coming for the fly) in the webcomic so far is Muut coming for the shadow-man who was killed on the bridge. The shadow-people were created by Coyote, who comes from the same body of myth as does Muut: the Native Americans of the southwestern United States. So Muut probably attends to them because of that link.
Other Guides that we've already seen (in the Good Hope flashback that Tom linked to in his comment) include Hermes, the Grim Reaper, and three others whom I don't recognize: one who seems to come from ancient Egypt (and whom Annie was presumably talking to in hieroglyphics), one with two faces and a Hindu-ish appearance, and one with a snake's body and a humanoid head. Tom must know more about those last three than I do.
(One group of Guides from myth whom Annie probably hasn't met yet are the Valkyries; they attended only to the souls of those slain in battle. Since Good Hope wasn't in a war zone, I doubt it would have received any visits from them. Of course, if a war between Gunnerkrigg Court and Gillitie Wood ever erupts, and people get killed in the fighting, the Valkyries might show up - assuming that the people slain were ones that Odin wants in Valhalla.)
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Post by cenit on Dec 5, 2007 13:12:44 GMT
So we got the guides thing right hooray for all of us. I agree with the general idea that the guides might respond to the personality (culture and such) of the people who die (although I wonder, why Hermes?)...what do atheist get when they died? I want to see Ketkrak!!!
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Post by Yin on Dec 5, 2007 13:58:39 GMT
Prob'ly they get just darkness. I hope they get Death, though. She's nice.
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Post by La Goon on Dec 5, 2007 17:56:58 GMT
Atheists get a big glowy "Game Over" sign.
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Post by Grey on Dec 5, 2007 22:20:23 GMT
And nerds gets BSOD, Blue Screen Of Death ^^
Anyways, i share idea about why human have so many different guides. Because human have more cultures and persons than flyes, so they (humans) have many different guides..
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Post by sebastian on Dec 5, 2007 22:50:06 GMT
Something I just noticed, I don't know if someone already mentioned it before. Something in today comic hit me as unusual so I checked the first comics of GC, if you do you'll notice that Annie and Kat look different. Maybe it is just the natural change and evolution of an artist, but maybe Tom is actually showing how the characters are aging and growing up, and if it is the case this is some incredible level of attention to details rarely seen in comics, web-based or not.
What do you think?
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Post by sebastian on Dec 5, 2007 22:51:25 GMT
Prob'ly they get just darkness. I hope they get Death, though. She's nice. Sandman's or discworld?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 5, 2007 23:01:47 GMT
I wonder who carved "S <3 B" in the tree. The only characters so far with those first initials would be Surma, Basil, and Bob the gardener.
Or maybe Tom just picked those letters because Sb is the chemical symbol for the element antimony.
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Post by popo on Dec 5, 2007 23:17:35 GMT
I didn't even notice the carving until you mentioned it
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Post by benpaulintx on Dec 6, 2007 2:01:56 GMT
Clever work on the chemical allusion, Mezzaphor. I'd guess that's what it is, unless we get some extra info relatively soon. (There've been a lot of students over the history of the school, I'm sure. Can't have everything in the world revolve around the main characters and their plotlines, or they might get big heads.) Todd, have you considered that the figure on page 157 you call Reaper might be Odin himself? I'm not sure if I've ever seen Big O represented with a scythe, but the broad-brimmed hat and cloak are consistent with pictures I've seen. Also, his hands in the picture are not skeletal, and something about the way he is rendered tells me that he is just as culturally specific as the other four Guides. Best match I can find for the Egyptian one seems to be Neith, a war goddess. Crossed arrows are mentioned as one of her symbols. Hindu is probably Agni. ( Wikipedia) Note the axe. The last one is evasive, but may be the horned serpent who associated with Cernunnos. I notice a tendency towards the more warlike and destructive of the psychopomps available from each mythology. Significant? Also, I believe that Ketrak must be either small or invisible, with small being the more likely of the two. And cenit, I could see explaining the atheist question one of two ways: one is the truism that nobody dies an atheist. You always believed in something, even if you never acknowledged it. (I don't think that holds true in actual practice, but it's an easy out for a storyteller.) The other is that the old gods have always been around, and they continue to do their jobs the best they can in the realms they have been charged with. So a person of Greek descent would be under the care of Hermes, whether they believed or even knew the stories about him. (Being largely Welsh, I suppose I would find myself dealing with the snake-ram dude. In which case, I agree with Yin: give me Death of the Endless any day.) **Edit: Silly proboards tags. Links are forum-friendly now.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 6, 2007 3:11:13 GMT
I had assumed that we can't see Ketrak because today's comic is from Kat's perspective and that Kat (like most people) can't see the Guides under normal circumstances. Though it would make sense for the Guide of insects to be insect-sized.
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Post by popo on Dec 6, 2007 3:49:07 GMT
the reaper with the large hat and scythe may be Ankou. Still no idea who the snake dude is.
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Post by Yin on Dec 6, 2007 10:59:36 GMT
Prob'ly they get just darkness. I hope they get Death, though. She's nice. Sandman's or discworld? I was thinking of the Endless' Death, but I suppose Susan isn't so bad. A 'pull up your socks' sorta Death? I can just see it now: Random dead person: Oh no! I can't believe I didn't realise that soldier was behind me! Susan: No use moaning about it. Come here already, there's a valkyrie waiting and valkyries aren't renowned for their patience. If Ketrak is insect-sized, by the way, how would Annie have seen him? Maybe she doesn't just see the guides but also senses them somehow.
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Post by AluK on Dec 6, 2007 12:37:37 GMT
The psychopomp with the hat is surely Ankou. He's usually depicted as using a cape, hat and wielding a scythe.
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Post by popo on Dec 6, 2007 15:07:33 GMT
If Ketrak is insect-sized, by the way, how would Annie have seen him? Maybe she doesn't just see the guides but also senses them somehow. I suppose she noticed the fly dying from the buzz, and that she just knew he would come. he may also be a large bug, or have a unique appearance Edit: They were Mercury, Ankou, Agni, Neith, and Veles. Yay for being right on one of the things.
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Post by todd on Dec 6, 2007 22:20:32 GMT
but maybe Tom is actually showing how the characters are aging and growing up, I've sometimes wondered what the webcomic will be like when Annie moves into adolescence. I can't imagine her having a lot of the traditional problems associated with teens, but then, Tom can show her witnessing, and occasionally offering a helping hand, her schoolmates suffering from those problems - with a Gunnerkrigg-style twist attached to them. (We know that Kat and Aly's story in Chapter Thirteen was a combination of first love and a friend moving away because his parents got a job in another town, so a precedent's been established.)
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 7, 2007 1:51:55 GMT
Oh look. Ch 15 and 16 are listed on the front page table of contents. It seems the "chapters get added to the table when they're almost over" rule has been amended to "chapters get added when Tom adds them".
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Post by benpaulintx on Dec 7, 2007 2:54:46 GMT
Veles is fascinating. And I'm gratified to see that I was almost right with my guess about Cernunnos (Seems they may have been related/identical in some of the earliest Eurasian traditions) even if it was just a stab in the dark.
However, I'm most fascinated by Ankou, because he seems to have been the prototype for, if not the analogue of, the western Reaper. He's like stealth gothic. Also, his name seems eerily similar to the word "ankh", even though the ankh is an Egyptian symbol. (What I don't know is whether the name has any relation to the phonetics of the Egyptian glyph, or whether it was a name made up by English translators in the 19th century.)
popo or AluK (or anybody else)--where can I find out more?
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Post by stephenls on Dec 7, 2007 4:19:40 GMT
I wonder who carved "S <3 B" in the tree. The only characters so far with those first initials would be Surma, Basil, and Bob the gardener. Or maybe Tom just picked those letters because Sb is the chemical symbol for the element antimony. Well, her name is Antimony Carver.
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Post by AluK on Dec 7, 2007 14:21:11 GMT
benpaulintx, most of the material on him is in French, sadly, as he's a Breton myth. He seems to be connected somehow to the Celtic myths, especially the Welsh ones. I'm trying to do some research on it.
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