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Post by ctso74 on Sept 17, 2014 13:35:06 GMT
Etheric glue! Also I instantly distrust Jenny now for actually LIKING Zimmingham... I don't know. I'd find that decor pleasing, as well. Spiders, too. Things eating my face, not so much. Of course, how aggressive will the denizens of Zimmingham be? So is the lack of annie's facial scar significant? Well, she isn't anywhere near Zimmy right now, so it's not too strange at the moment. Kat was pretty close... I have a question. Where the hell did the robots get talismans that powerful? Is there a room labeled "Powerful Ofuda. DO NOT ENTER."? |
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Post by keef on Sept 17, 2014 13:42:52 GMT
So is the lack of annie's facial scar significant? Maybe the influence of the price-tag? |
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Post by gary on Sept 17, 2014 13:47:38 GMT
I have a question. Where the hell did the robots get talismans that powerful? Is there a room labeled "Powerful Ofuda. DO NOT ENTER."? The court would have them for obvious reasons. If you have lots of etherically talented teenagers you need a way to switch them off or you have no way of enforcing discipline. I mean Annie's a nice girl but it's not difficult to think of teenagers you wouldn't want being able to set people on fire (like me as a teenager, for instance). And if the court has them, the court needs them to be powerful enough that students can't take them off or they're useless. And how much attention to the court pay the robots? If they wanted something court security had, how dififcult would they find it it to either steal them or make their own copies? After all robots work in court security. |
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Post by todd on Sept 17, 2014 15:27:07 GMT
The most unsettling part is that the robots did all that research on how to neutralize the students' abilities, how to set up the siphons, etc. (and presumably all without the Court suspecting a thing - of course, the humans, staff and students alike, probably failed to pay enough attention, dismissing them as "only robots"), and yet failed to realize how dangerous Zimmy's reality-warping powers were - treating them as if they were as safe as a fairy godmother waving her wand and turning a pumpkin into a coach (or a cruise ship into a merostomatazon). Either the Court hasn't included enough information about Zimmy in its files on her, or the robots stopped reading halfway through and missed the most important part.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 17, 2014 15:28:13 GMT
I love that Jenny likes Zimmingham, at least based on the way it looks. I think she's kind of like what Jack imagined Zimmy to be, but the two actually have quite different personalities. Worse... now Jenny will hang out with Zimmy. Gamma gets more sleep. Zimmy appreciates extra help. Jack learns to headdesk. So is the lack of annie's facial scar significant? Could have regenerated long ago. Then again, when it was last seen?.. in Chapter 36? |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 17, 2014 15:33:41 GMT
So is the lack of annie's facial scar significant? Could have regenerated long ago. Then again, when it was last seen?.. in Chapter 36? , it turns out. I'm a bit surprised it was that far back, though...I expected to find it when Annie walked to the edge of the ether with Mort. It was enough to make her hair wavy, but not show the scar... |
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Post by keef on Sept 17, 2014 16:05:33 GMT
The whole "my love" thing seems weird to me too. I'm no expert, but in most cases I've seen where (mostly English) people are casually calling others something like that, its been rendered as just "luv" and only if the people were close. Annie and Jenny literally just met. AFAIK the full "My Love" is reserved for the respective SO. Of course it might be a regional thing or just a quirk of hers and people actually living in the UK will know better. I had a half hour conversation with a lady from London once and in that short period was called "love" "sweetheart" or "sugar" at every sentence. I loved it. In Dutch it wasn't to unusual to be addressed with all kinds of pet-names by the elderly, sadly the habit is dying out. Anyway: Depends where she's from, 'my love' sounds fairly generic to me. if she's from out in the West Country it would be 'Moi Luvver', from Lancashire she'd be calling Annie 'duck'. and he is British afaik. |
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Post by troll on Sept 17, 2014 16:43:14 GMT
I hope they remember poking everyone they meet. Jack seems quite... enthusiastic to be back. It may have given him greater mental capabilities and possibly his new-found appreciation of Goth chicks, but I'd guess it would be still quite traumatic. Or he's having a nervous breakdown and trying to play it cool. "Hahahaa, I hoped I'd never see this place again, Hahahaha. I'm fine, I'll just go around this corner and spend some time in a fetal position, screaming..." Well, they just launched the drone. Jack and Jenny had been working on that all night, and finished with seconds to spare. Meeting a deadline like that can get some laughter from people. |
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Post by davidm on Sept 17, 2014 18:08:03 GMT
I hope they remember poking everyone they meet. Jack seems quite... enthusiastic to be back. It may have given him greater mental capabilities and possibly his new-found appreciation of Goth chicks, but I'd guess it would be still quite traumatic. Or he's having a nervous breakdown and trying to play it cool. "Hahahaa, I hoped I'd never see this place again, Hahahaha. I'm fine, I'll just go around this corner and spend some time in a fetal position, screaming..." Well, they just launched the drone. Jack and Jenny had been working on that all night, and finished with seconds to spare. Meeting a deadline like that can get some laughter from people. Can be both coping mechanism and strategic. Before there might be a reason to be "angry", influence others to see risk of impending doom. Now doom has struck, everyone sees it and is on same team, Annie just gave blinker and choose "the best destination", Jenny is helping best she can, so Jack wants to keep morale up to help team defeat the doom. Because Jenny looks so much like "ideal Zimmy for Jack", I still see chance of Jenny being a creation or alteration by Zimmy that is going to disappear by end of this adventure leaving Jack heartbroken and being comforted by Annie. We don't know exactly what it means that Zimmy can alter reality and already had hints that Coyote and Jones are products of altered reality, and Zimmy might be able to turn a robot ship into a living creature. |
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Post by icekatze on Sept 17, 2014 18:23:05 GMT
hi hi
Carver, you can't just ask someone if they're a witch!
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Post by fish on Sept 17, 2014 18:41:58 GMT
Well, she isn't anywhere near Zimmy right now, so it's not too strange at the moment. Kat was pretty close... That thought unsettles me greatly... |
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Post by warrl on Sept 17, 2014 19:13:29 GMT
Also, Britishism or not, I am having a hard time not thinking "My Love" is a bit too personal. Isn't it more a witchism than a Britishism? I'd guess it's a combination. Addressing semi-random people as "love" is definitely a predominantly-British thing (I suspect it's actually more specific than that, but since I've met only a slight handful of British folks I can't get detailed), and making things personal and affectionate is fairly common among Wiccans. It's the sort of place a goth would like... until they find out that it isn't makeup and decorations. Being a Goth in the Gunnerverse is slightly different from our universe; here witchcraft is just entertainment. No, for some people it's religious ritual. And some of it definitely works sometimes - the part that can work by altering the thoughts, expectations, and behavior of the practitioners, so they pursue reasonable goals with greater intelligence and dedication. Nothing special about that, any other religion, even one completely made up on the spot, can do the same. Heck, if you find inspiration and motivation in quantum mechanics and Care Bears, that works too. On the other hand, a magical ritual to power and guide a drone aircraft - that's a bit beyond real-world witchcraft. (One could possibly help inspire and motivate the drone's designers, but that's not the same thing.) |
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Post by shadowhunter on Sept 17, 2014 20:08:56 GMT
As a Brit, I find the 'my love' thing really awkward. Maybe it is just a regional thing but I'd feel pretty uncomfortable if someone addressed me like that. But I think Jenny's supposed to come across a little weirdly. It's how I felt about her wink a few pages back, too. She's just a bit out there. Feeling pretty bad for Annie, though. Out of all the people she could have been trapped in a dangerous, illusory labyrinth with...  |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 17, 2014 20:19:54 GMT
In all seriousness, though, I'm intrigued to find out exactly what Jenny's powers entail.
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 17, 2014 21:16:32 GMT
"just an apprentice..."
Why do I think that's not quite the entire story here? I don't know, it's weird. I have no concrete reason to actually distrust her, other than her being slightly odd. And who of all these kids is actually entirely normal? But something about her just brushes me the wrong way.
It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager.
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 17, 2014 21:34:10 GMT
"just an apprentice..." Why do I think that's not quite the entire story here? I don't know, it's weird. I have no concrete reason to actually distrust her, other than her being slightly odd. And who of all these kids is actually entirely normal? But something about her just brushes me the wrong way. It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager. Yeah, that is what it feels like; an early 20th century lady in the body of a 21st century teenager. Sets me just a bit off-balance too. "Hahahaa, I hoped I'd never see this place again, Hahahaha. I'm fine, I'll just go around this corner and spend some time in a fetal position, screaming..." I can see this. Though I can also see it as defiance. Laughing in the face of his greatest fear. Also, he's not alone this time. He may hold up yet. Pfft! What are you talking about? He's fine! (wink wink, nudge nudge). In all seriousness though, his facial expression reads as somewhat sincere; maybe just because he's got hope for the drone. |
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Post by davidm on Sept 17, 2014 22:18:29 GMT
"My love"
Here in canada "My dear" happens, but mostly seen from an older secretary/public relations/answering phone dealing with lots of people...
Unusually outgoing/lack of shyness for a teen in my limited memory (agree with other poster who also said this).
Possible this is common from being part of a sisterhood/club, etc where people are used to being very social with their peers, and Annie as a powerful "magic user" would seem like more of a "sister" to an apprentice magic user.
Zimmy does not read, Jeannie and Jenny would seem like same name to her, Jeannie was upset she lost chance at love, and Zimmy is believed capable of transforming a ship into flesh and blood. So imo at least tiny chance that there is a little Jeannie in Jenny. We know very little about what Jeannie was like socially, eg stern picture in formal wear does not feel so extroverted, but then could be she just hated formal and was very extroverted hanging out with elves, in casual, etc.
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Post by todd on Sept 17, 2014 22:41:39 GMT
It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager. Tom will definitely need a good explanation for that phrase, in light of how many people here it's unsettling. |
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Post by keef on Sept 17, 2014 22:49:24 GMT
Carver, you can't just ask someone if they're a witch! Not even if you see them perform magic? Being a Goth in the Gunnerverse is slightly different from our universe; here witchcraft is just entertainment. No, for some people it's religious ritual. I meant to say there is no actual magic here; I'm aware of the religious movement. I like them. As an old cancer-researcher used to say: None of it works, but it does help. I was very happy with the news that placebos are effective even when you know they're placebos. I ordered the most expensive kind immediately. Our powers of (self)deception and trickery are bewildering. Exactly. It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager. Yeah, that is what it feels like; an early 20th century lady in the body of a 21st century teenager. Sets me just a bit off-balance too. I like Jenny, and I like that "my love" stuff. That's one more reason I'm sad to say... In all seriousness, though, I'm intrigued to find out exactly what Jenny's powers entail. .. I think she is not going to survive Zimmingham. She will battle and she will die. The etherical guidance system shows she did really study, but I get this feeling I had when Picard took an unknown actor with him on an away-team mission. You know he's a goner. And of course Jack and Annie are meant to be. |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 17, 2014 23:21:39 GMT
In all seriousness, though, I'm intrigued to find out exactly what Jenny's powers entail. .. I think she is not going to survive Zimmingham. She will battle and she will die. The etherical guidance system shows she did really study, but I get this feeling I had when Picard took an unknown actor with him on an away-team mission. You know he's a goner. And of course Jack and Annie are meant to be. Perhaps she will donate the flesh necessary to transform the ship? #darkeranddarker |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 17, 2014 23:38:36 GMT
In all seriousness, though, I'm intrigued to find out exactly what Jenny's powers entail. .. I think she is not going to survive Zimmingham. She will battle and she will die. The etherical guidance system shows she did really study, but I get this feeling I had when Picard took an unknown actor with him on an away-team mission. You know he's a goner. And of course Jack and Annie are meant to be. By Zero's nose, I hope not! She and Cookie Monster haven't had a chance to interact, yet. That would be a crime against Goth Cuteness. In my head, I imagine Jenny saying "Pshaw" to that. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 17, 2014 23:53:03 GMT
I think I know where the Seraphs got the etheric tags...
Jenny made the tags! She's a witch! She's secretly working with the Seraphs!
Jenny is fascinated with Zimmingham because, like the Seraphs, she either doesn't understand the risk or she thinks that they can handle the risk. She may have tags ready to put on Zimmy to bring her back under control.
Why would Jenny work with the Seraphs? Maybe she wants some of Zimmy's reality warping abilities and the Seraphs offered the opportunity to see those abilities in action up close and on overload.
Why isn't Jenny worried about being dumped in the sea after the Ship becomes flesh? Because she floats, she's a witch! Burn her...
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 18, 2014 0:11:02 GMT
It's a fair cop.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 18, 2014 0:35:40 GMT
Because she floats, she's a witch! Burn her... She turned me into a newt!! ...I got better. |
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Post by davidm on Sept 18, 2014 0:40:34 GMT
It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager. Tom will definitely need a good explanation for that phrase, in light of how many people here it's unsettling. IMO Tom doesn't have to say anything, a world of quirky people with special powers and strange ways of doing things... and we use what we are given as hints to guess the direction things go... eg various Annie insanity way of doing things like faking crisis to get on Kats good side, Zimmy quirks, etc... To me, my dear says by itself extremely extroverted but certainly possibly normal, opposite/foil of Zimmy. She looks like Zimmy, has name similar to Jeannie, is sudden girlfriend of Jack who had romantic tension with Annie before, etc... game of trying to solve the mystery using the clues given. (Annie being respected mage and fire elemental and forest mediator and leadership in many adventures might give her special treatment by a "witch" wannabe.) |
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 18, 2014 2:14:55 GMT
Every verbal tic and affectation must have a more sinister meaning and agenda behind it! THE FANDOM DEMANDS IT!
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Post by Pig_catapult on Sept 18, 2014 2:47:39 GMT
Etheric glue! Also I instantly distrust Jenny now for actually LIKING Zimmingham... It's the sort of place a goth would like... until they find out that it isn't makeup and decorations. I must admit that I can totally identify with Jenny's initial reaction, even if she knows about Zimmingham. The real danger hasn't presented itself yet, so squeeing over the creepy landscape is still 100% valid. I'd prolly be all like "Oh my god it's like we're in a horror movie!  . . . Oh my god it's like we're in a horror movie!  " |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 18, 2014 5:49:08 GMT
 I still rather not get caught.  For basic equality, one requires equal parts fairness. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 18, 2014 11:20:04 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 18, 2014 13:06:47 GMT
"just an apprentice..." Why do I think that's not quite the entire story here? I don't know, it's weird. I have no concrete reason to actually distrust her, other than her being slightly odd. And who of all these kids is actually entirely normal? But something about her just brushes me the wrong way. It's probably the "my love" thing. I don't know that much about British slangs, but that strikes me as rather old fashioned. I'd expect an elderly person to use that term, rather than a teenager. Do you expect an apprentice to learn nothing from the master? Why isn't Jenny worried about being dumped in the sea after the Ship becomes flesh? Because she floats, she's a witch! Burn her... Jenny is far ahead of you. Already she is becoming a good pal to the one who gets to say what is going to burn and what isn't.  She turned me into a newt!! ...I got better.
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