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Post by csj on Aug 9, 2014 11:53:21 GMT
Hey, maybe Zimmy might end up accidentally crashing the ship with her powers. she is literally a bane of shipping worldwide, sounds legit |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Aug 9, 2014 17:08:10 GMT
Hey, maybe Zimmy might end up accidentally crashing the ship with her powers. Nah, I think she'll crash the ocean for better effect. Also, maybe to stop that damn rocking. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 9, 2014 21:54:32 GMT
Yeah, that's what going to happen... Seasickness eventually gets Zimmy and she runs to whatever board is closer. And after done with this, gives the water a look. The sea gets curdled.
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Post by todd on Aug 9, 2014 22:09:17 GMT
Or worse yet, Zimmy's seasickness produces a kraken-like monster which devours the entire ship and everyone on board - with the caption "Rocks fall. Everybody dies." And on the very next page - the last page of all - Tea answers protests from the readers about how there were no rocks on that page.
On a more serious note, I remembered today Coyote's statement that etheric beings and phenomena are created by the collective subconscious of humanity in the ether. What if Zimmy's abilities (which often conjure up a lot of bizarre, nightmarish creatures) are a variation of that feature, only cranked up to a thousand?
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Post by jasmijn on Aug 10, 2014 17:55:45 GMT
it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic Interesting idea that I hadn't even considered (strangely). That would of course mean that the whole "you die when you get a kid" thing becomes less relevant, but what will that mean for her later on? Does that mean she would live forever or that she would feel obligated to mother a child regardless of her lack of sexual attraction to anyone, just to make sure the fire spirit thingy won't die out? |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Aug 10, 2014 19:17:56 GMT
I think Annie is asexual, but she has shown heteroromantic tendencies many times. She is probably not aromantic.
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Post by warrl on Aug 10, 2014 19:40:23 GMT
I think Annie is asexual, but she has shown heteroromantic tendencies many times. She is probably not aromantic. And I'd add that most children under 10 are asexual and Annie is at an age where a fairly decent percentage of people are still asexual. Which doesn't say anything about whether she'll remain that way or not. |
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Post by crater on Aug 10, 2014 20:59:15 GMT
i think gamma will have a good time while zimmy will stay in maintenance the whole time and everyone forgets about her
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Post by keef on Aug 10, 2014 20:59:45 GMT
it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic Interesting idea that I hadn't even considered (strangely). That would of course mean that the whole "you die when you get a kid" thing becomes less relevant, but what will that mean for her later on? Does that mean she would live forever or that she would feel obligated to mother a child regardless of her lack of sexual attraction to anyone, just to make sure the fire spirit thingy won't die out? I said it before, it's Destiny, Coyote does not choose his words lightly. When not if.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 10, 2014 21:07:58 GMT
I said it before, it's Destiny, Coyote does not choose his words lightly. When not if. There's no point. This thread is already on its way to "Antimony X Boxbot" fanfic.  |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 10, 2014 21:13:20 GMT
Interesting idea that I hadn't even considered (strangely). That would of course mean that the whole "you die when you get a kid" thing becomes less relevant, but what will that mean for her later on? Does that mean she would live forever or that she would feel obligated to mother a child regardless of her lack of sexual attraction to anyone, just to make sure the fire spirit thingy won't die out? I said it before, it's Destiny, Coyote does not choose his words lightly. When not if. I have a bit of a theory about Annie getting more and more emotionally expressive as she gets older. |
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Post by todd on Aug 10, 2014 22:17:04 GMT
I like the notion of Annie being just uninterested in romance and remaining that way throughout (and not just because of Coyote's revelation about her life-cycle and that of her mother - and all her remale ancestors on her mother's side; I felt that way even before we got to that chapter), but that bit about her fantasizing about Kamlen in "Annie in the Forest", alas, put paid to that. (There's also some of that business about Jack, but it's too ambivalent at present to know whether she has hormonal feelings about him or not.)
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Post by keef on Aug 11, 2014 8:42:56 GMT
I have a bit of a theory about Annie getting more and more emotionally expressive as she gets older. Please elaborate? |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 11, 2014 13:24:09 GMT
Interesting idea that I hadn't even considered (strangely). That would of course mean that the whole "you die when you get a kid" thing becomes less relevant, but what will that mean for her later on? Does that mean she would live forever or that she would feel obligated to mother a child regardless of her lack of sexual attraction to anyone, just to make sure the fire spirit thingy won't die out? I think Annie is asexual, but she has shown heteroromantic tendencies many times. She is probably not aromantic. already pointed out that Annie displayed some strong romantic tendencies during her summer in the forest, which I had forgotten about. So I'll partially retract my previous claims, but she still does show rather dramatic swings between emotion and obliviousness at times. I'm not sure if that's intentional on Tom's part, and is supposed to be indicative of her upbringing in the New Hope hospital, or something else entirely. I hesitate to call her self-centered because that usually has specific connotations, but I think it applies well to Antimony in that she reacts for more attentively to things that involve her, or her close friend Kat, and kind of ignores everyone else. |
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Post by Chromascope 3D on Aug 11, 2014 15:10:46 GMT
The impression I've gotten is that the water needs to be a part of the natural cycle to work; the sea is brimming with life, so it must be heavily loaded with Ether, as well. But it still might not help Zimmy; she seems to need the water to pass over her to wash her "taint" into the earth. If the water just goes back and forth like in the sea, it might just put her in the middle of a watery cloud of that black goo, and it would probably not be very healthy for her. ^ This I agree with. We know that natural water has Ether in it, that is the whole point of the power station, to extract the Ether from the water. But it is only when it comes down as rain that it helps Zimmy. Showers don't help, I am sure by now she has figured that baths or swimming don't either. Admittedly Sunny Birmingham is about as far from the shore as you can get in the UK, but that isn't saying much. If a swim in a river or at the ocean would have any positive effect on her, you can bet she would have realized this and wouldn't have stayed there. No, it has to have something to do with natural evaporation (solar energy?) that charges the water to a high enough level that when it comes down as rain, it actually helps. I thought about that. Perhaps the Aether seeps straight into the ground (Or floats back up to the atmosphere) once it falls with the raindrops, meaning that it wouldn't be able to stick around very long as it would disperse in some way the moment it hit the ground and was freed from it's watery embrace. In the case of lakes and rivers, meanwhile, the Aether could stick around for a while (since water is a natural conductor, after all), but it ultimately boils back up to the surface, and, while still there, is so diluted by the water sans Aether (since most of it evaporates out of the water bodies) that it has no real effect on Zim Zam's condition. |
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Post by lit on Aug 11, 2014 15:46:42 GMT
Why do you think she doesn't think highly of Zimmy? I think they know each other very well, not only has Annie taken Gamma's place a few times, but in the beginning of Divine and the end of Spring Heeled part 2 their personalities seem to be mixing. It would surprise me if all that wouldn't lead to some mutual respect. I've always gotten the impression that Annie is more sympathetic to Gamma than Zimmy. She isn't usually as frank as in the dream sequence, but I'm sensing a slight antipathy from her towards Zimmy from time to time; I think it's remnant from that time when she found out that Zimmy had been lying to Gamma to make her think that everyone else hated her. The fact that they have more than a few things in common might be contributing in, as well; Annie may see Zimmy as the ultimate extreme of the same kind of emotional dependence that she's developed for Kat. Yes, and there's also this page where Antimony (in the guise of Zimmy) witnesses Zimmy (in the guise of Antimony) behaving fairly cruelly to Gamma. This scene still confuses me, because I'm not sure how much of their personalities might have been affected by the body swap, but provided that Antimony's memory of the night is accurate, I think her opinion of Zimmy may have been lowered considerably by observing this. She's probably extra horrified at seeing that lack of empathy manifested by what appears to be her own self . |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 11, 2014 16:05:53 GMT
I was skeptical, but I think the "Jenny is a merger of Zimmy and Gamma"- hypothesis is looking more and more likely. I, also, am glad that my throwaway proposal is getting popular, even in a slightly modified form. :] It's not a dream sequence, Zimmy isn't asleep. She's just herding her own brain roaches after she let them out. |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 11, 2014 16:07:21 GMT
It's not a dream sequence, Zimmy isn't asleep. She's just herding her own brain roaches after she let them out. It's Annie's dream sequence from Zimmy's perspective.  |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 12, 2014 0:31:49 GMT
I have a bit of a theory about Annie getting more and more emotionally expressive as she gets older. Please elaborate? When Annie first arrived at the court she was very much emotionally shut down and seemed to very much take after her father. As she has grown older and developed some real friendships we've seen her get more expressive, first with bursts of emotion in various situations where the things she's been bottling in have bubbled over and more recently in small expressions of emotion in situations where early she would likely to have just been dead pan. We've also, I think, seen hints of a sense of humor coming through. I think she is starting to open up naturally as she gets used to being around people her own age. I think when she was in New Hope and Surma was so sick and therefor so subdued Annie mostly modeled herself after her father and learned to suppress everything because that was what she saw him doing. The longer she is on her own the more personality she seems to show... and I think that is a natural thing for a girl who is learning to be a child this late in the process of growing up. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Aug 12, 2014 1:10:29 GMT
When Annie first arrived at the court she was very much emotionally shut down and seemed to very much take after her father. As she has grown older and developed some real friendships we've seen her get more expressive, first with bursts of emotion in various situations where the things she's been bottling in have bubbled over and more recently in small expressions of emotion in situations where early she would likely to have just been dead pan. We've also, I think, seen hints of a sense of humor coming through. I think she is starting to open up naturally as she gets used to being around people her own age. I think when she was in New Hope and Surma was so sick and therefor so subdued Annie mostly modeled herself after her father and learned to suppress everything because that was what she saw him doing. The longer she is on her own the more personality she seems to show... and I think that is a natural thing for a girl who is learning to be a child this late in the process of growing up. Thumbs up X 10. This is exactly how I see the progression of Antimony. When we first meet her she is emotionally flat around other people. This is the evolution of Annie, not just Tom's art style. She has to learn social skills that she never used at Good Hope (ironically named) since her life there was just watching her mother slowly die. Then throw in the Guides and her being surrounded by death... but not by peers. She never got a chance to make and keep friends. She says as much in her own words. |
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Post by csj on Aug 12, 2014 8:38:53 GMT
Interesting idea that I hadn't even considered (strangely). That would of course mean that the whole "you die when you get a kid" thing becomes less relevant, but what will that mean for her later on? Does that mean she would live forever or that she would feel obligated to mother a child regardless of her lack of sexual attraction to anyone, just to make sure the fire spirit thingy won't die out? I said it before, it's Destiny, Coyote does not choose his words lightly. When not if. Worth noting; procreation is an integral part of being. Whether or not Annie was obliged to give birth - thus passing on her flame, Coyote would most likely disregard that possibility off-hand. 'Going against nature' and all that. Besides, I'm not sure how familiar a trickster god would be with the concept of modern contraceptives. |
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