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Post by Lightice on Aug 8, 2014 13:43:55 GMT
If Red, Blue, Shadow, and Jackalope appear, this really will start shaping into a Beach Episode. . Those nincompoops probably have to stay at home. And because misreading at first what you said here, I started to wonder what kind of swimwear Zimmy would have. Now I'm imagining her in Wednesday Addams' swimsuit. Thanks.  |
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Post by freeman on Aug 8, 2014 13:50:39 GMT
Aww. I had some doubts about Gamma and Zimmy's relationship before, I had never seen it as close as many of the others here were suggesting, but this page really turns me around on it. Zimmy agreeing to come on a boat, something she hates, just to see Gamma be happy, is quite sweet really. Given we saw Jack earlier as well, I predict we are going to see a lot more of Gamma and Zimmy's relationship this chapter. Also the "Selfish" comment, I took that to just be Tom being sarcastic. Zimmy is often seen by a lot of people, both in GC and on these forums, as being selfish, making Gamma stay up, lying to her about what others say, etc. This page is showing her being the opposite of that, doing something she hates just to see her friend be happy. Zimmy is being the opposite of selfish here, opposite to what a lot of people usually expect her to do, and showing how much she cares for Gamma more than just a dampener. For Annie to ask that question is her also assuming Zimmy's being selfish would have won out over making Gamma happy, and shows how poor a judgement of relationships that Annie really is. It could ALSO be interpreted that Zimmy did attend out of selfishness, to keep Gamma around. As in, she didn't do that for Gamma, but for herself so she can survive as Gamma's presence is essential for her not to be eaten by her own hallucinations. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 8, 2014 13:55:22 GMT
*staring at Gamma*"Shut up, man, you wouldn't understand." Translation: Dat ass. Edit: Dammit! Someone beat me to it. Panel four provides the answer. Zimmy loves da booty.
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Post by Toloc on Aug 8, 2014 13:59:35 GMT
I was skeptical, but I think the "Jenny is a merger of Zimmy and Gamma"- hypothesis is looking more and more likely.
Zimmy is physically dependent on Gamma, if the two were divided bad things would happen. From what we know, the dependence is one sided and Gamma could lead a normal life were it not for Zimmy. Zimmy is aware of that. Of the destructive results this has on Gamma's life.
She loves her and she is the reason her love's life is nearly as screwed up as her own.
She tries to make it better for Gamma, on the surface by agreeing to go on that cruise for example.
Further down, quite likely subconsciously, she created the Jenny persona; a normal girl, able to blend in and just live a little; Kind of like a Dr Jekyll, another Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde thing. For now I'd say none of the three is aware of this.
Could this possibly even be a permanent solution for the problem Zimmy's powers pose?
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 8, 2014 14:13:19 GMT
Annie's question pretty much ignores all of that. What I can't figure out is why Annie would ask that question... I think she just doesn't get interpersonal relationships on a visceral level, particularly when they don't directly involve her. She's shown herself to be particularly oblivious to such entanglements before, after all. I suspect it's largely attributable to growing up in the New Hope hospital, where she didn't have any actual peers. Hanging out with psycopomps, old dead folks, and your mum isn't exactly the best environment for fostering good people skills, IMO. See exhibit A: Annie's lack of understanding of societal normsShe's getting better, slowly, but right now it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic to such a degree that it effectively blinds her to the attraction other people share for one another. Edit: She also doesn't think things through. She may be calmer than her mother, but she still tends to react emotionally and selfishly rather than logically or altruistically. Edit2: I take it back. I think she's getting worse. |
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2014 14:19:39 GMT
I don't know man, I agree roughly with the first half of your analysis but I'm not convinced Zimmy is capable of maintaining a sociable projection of herself for any length of time (let alone without warping the rest of existence in the process). Can't rule it out, admittedly. EDIT: Surely there's no way this could end badly. |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 8, 2014 14:33:46 GMT
She's getting better, slowly, but right now it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic to such a degree that it effectively blinds her to the attraction other people share for one another. I have to disagree with most of what you're saying. For one thing, she's quite aware of Zimmy and Gamma. For another, she is most definitely not aromantic. She's simply clueless at times. Perhaps especially in this particular case, since even in spite of herself, she doesn't think very highly of Zimmy, and may be confused because she doesn't realise that Zimmy might be willing to do something selfless for Gamma's sake. Or more generously, she may assume that Zimmy and Gamma are so joined at the hip that she can't see how they could have different likes and dislikes. EDIT: Weird, I had copy-pasted my first link right from the page, but it still lead to the wrong page for some reason. It seems to be working now, anyways... |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 8, 2014 14:40:01 GMT
She's getting better, slowly, but right now it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic to such a degree that it effectively blinds her to the attraction other people share for one another. I have to disagree with most of what you're saying. For one thing, she's quite aware of Zimmy and Gamma. For another, she is most definitely not aromantic. She's simply clueless at times. Perhaps especially in this particular case, since even in spite of herself, she doesn't think very highly of Zimmy, and may be confused because she doesn't realise that Zimmy might be willing to do something selfless for Gamma's sake. Or more generously, she may assume that Zimmy and Gamma are so joined at the hip that she can't see how they could have different likes and dislikes. Ok, point. I had forgotten about the summertime extra comics. Her behavior though does seem to swing wildly at times from cold, emotionless logic to pure passion or anger. I still think that her upbringing has something to do with it overall, but maybe we can just summarize Annie's psyche as "it's complicated" for the moment. Edit: I'll stand by my implications that she seems much more in tune with things when they involve her (or occasionally Kat) than anyone else. |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 8, 2014 14:49:28 GMT
Annie has repeatedly been shown to be clueless and out of touch with her peers. The fact that she speaks without thinking here does not surprise me. Also, while she knows that Zimmy and Gamma are strongly linked she doesn't have all of the same information that the readers do about their relationship and the influence Gamma has on Zimmy. She knows Zimmy has expressed a strong desire to please Gamma (" I'd kill everyone in the world and myself if she wanted it") but it's easy to overlook hyperbolic statements like that and she's unaware of how Gamma convinced Zimmy to help while she was in the hospital in Divine and clueless enough to have missed the look Gamma gave Zimmy just before Zimmy asked Annie to apologize to Jack for her at the end of Spring Heeled, 2. |
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2014 15:13:04 GMT
Spending your childhood in a hospital, talking to the imminently/previously deceased (and those coming to meet them) isn't ideal.
I mean, what with how low child mortality rates are these days...
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 8, 2014 16:20:57 GMT
Well with the assumption this is going to turn into Annie getting jealous of couples, the only ones left to appear are... Red and Blue assuming that them being a pair is enough to count... aaaand... William and Janet, unless I'm missing any.
Of course this could just be the chapter where the Court decides to stuff all the students onto a ship without adult supervision to see how long it stays afloat. Less likely, but I sure as hell wouldn't mind watching that. You're forgetting Sullivan's John and Margo -- I'd love to see them again! |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Aug 8, 2014 16:21:04 GMT
I missed these guys so much.
That is all I have to say.
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Post by fwip on Aug 8, 2014 16:29:28 GMT
Annie's question pretty much ignores all of that. What I can't figure out is why Annie would ask that question... I think she just doesn't get interpersonal relationships on a visceral level, particularly when they don't directly involve her. She's shown herself to be particularly oblivious to such entanglements before, after all. I suspect it's largely attributable to growing up in the New Hope hospital, where she didn't have any actual peers. Hanging out with psycopomps, old dead folks, and your mum isn't exactly the best environment for fostering good people skills, IMO. See exhibit A: Annie's lack of understanding of societal normsShe's getting better, slowly, but right now it seems to me that Annie is both asexual and aromantic to such a degree that it effectively blinds her to the attraction other people share for one another. Edit: She also doesn't think things through. She may be calmer than her mother, but she still tends to react emotionally and selfishly rather than logically or altruistically. Edit2: I take it back. I think she's getting worse.You can't talk about cluelessness in our favorite protagonist without this page. |
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Post by csj on Aug 8, 2014 16:38:25 GMT
I think the only fan theory yet to pop out of this page is that Annie is actually a guy "man, you wouldn't understand"  |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 8, 2014 19:50:34 GMT
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Post by keef on Aug 8, 2014 20:46:04 GMT
Tom's comment "Selfish" is... interesting. I'm not sure who he's referring to. It made me read the page again and again, but not a clue. Must be sarcasm, but directed at whom? Freshwater good, saltwater bad? Doesn't practically all of the rain originate from the seas and oceans? (Okay, originally originally it comes from the stars, and from another viewpoint all the water on Earth circulates, e.g. the water in oceans comes from different sources like rivers, but anyway.) If the etherstuff for one reason or other goes up to the skies with the humidity/water-vapor/those-water-molucules-that-would-be-rain-someday, then oceans might be depleted of it. All water was beer once. True fact. But seriously, most rain falls in the oceans or flows back to them,so how could they end up depleted? She's simply clueless at times. Perhaps especially in this particular case, since even in spite of herself, she doesn't think very highly of Zimmy, and may be confused because she doesn't realise that Zimmy might be willing to do something selfless for Gamma's sake. Or more generously, she may assume that Zimmy and Gamma are so joined at the hip that she can't see how they could have different likes and dislikes. Why do you think she doesn't think highly of Zimmy? I think they know each other very well, not only has Annie taken Gamma's place a few times, but in the beginning of Divine and the end of Spring Heeled part 2 their personalities seem to be mixing. It would surprise me if all that wouldn't lead to some mutual respect. |
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Post by Chromascope 3D on Aug 8, 2014 21:00:18 GMT
Y'know, I don't think water is naturally etheric at all. After all, Zimmy did say that showers don't help either, implying that there is no ether in the water. Maybe it's only rain then, because it comes straight from the sky, and, after all, what is Aether most closely associated with?  |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 8, 2014 21:08:46 GMT
Why do you think she doesn't think highly of Zimmy? I think they know each other very well, not only has Annie taken Gamma's place a few times, but in the beginning of Divine and the end of Spring Heeled part 2 their personalities seem to be mixing. It would surprise me if all that wouldn't lead to some mutual respect. I've always gotten the impression that Annie is more sympathetic to Gamma than Zimmy. She isn't usually as frank as in the dream sequence, but I'm sensing a slight antipathy from her towards Zimmy from time to time; I think it's remnant from that time when she found out that Zimmy had been lying to Gamma to make her think that everyone else hated her. The fact that they have more than a few things in common might be contributing in, as well; Annie may see Zimmy as the ultimate extreme of the same kind of emotional dependence that she's developed for Kat. Y'know, I don't think water is naturally etheric at all. After all, Zimmy did say that showers don't help either, implying that there is no ether in the water. Maybe it's only rain then, because it comes straight from the sky, and, after all, what is Aether most closely associated with? The impression I've gotten is that the water needs to be a part of the natural cycle to work; the sea is brimming with life, so it must be heavily loaded with Ether, as well. But it still might not help Zimmy; she seems to need the water to pass over her to wash her "taint" into the earth. If the water just goes back and forth like in the sea, it might just put her in the middle of a watery cloud of that black goo, and it would probably not be very healthy for her. |
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Post by todd on Aug 8, 2014 22:07:44 GMT
I was suspecting myself something like Zimmy's seasickness might worsen her condition so that Gamma can't block it, leading to a near-cataclysm.
The ex-fairies aren't likely to show up; I got the impression that they were in a different year from Annie, and that only her year's on the ship.
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Post by Chromascope 3D on Aug 8, 2014 22:15:24 GMT
The ex-fairies aren't likely to show up; I got the impression that they were in a different year from Annie, and that only her year's on the ship. I don't think they're coming for the same reason why the Forest students are usually kept separate, i.e. to keep them from being named accidentally. I think that's also partially why they don't get summer break (the other being that they have nowhere else to go anyway). |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 8, 2014 22:16:36 GMT
Y'know, I don't think water is naturally etheric at all. After all, Zimmy did say that showers don't help either, implying that there is no ether in the water. Maybe it's only rain then, because it comes straight from the sky, and, after all, what is Aether most closely associated with? The impression I've gotten is that the water needs to be a part of the natural cycle to work; the sea is brimming with life, so it must be heavily loaded with Ether, as well. But it still might not help Zimmy; she seems to need the water to pass over her to wash her "taint" into the earth. If the water just goes back and forth like in the sea, it might just put her in the middle of a watery cloud of that black goo, and it would probably not be very healthy for her. Maybe the "ether in the rain" is really just Coyote pissing on the Court. The lightning is the sparkle from his eyes and the thunder is his laughter. |
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 8, 2014 22:37:30 GMT
Surely there's no way this could end badly. Just want you to know that I love your avatar |
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Post by todd on Aug 8, 2014 22:50:27 GMT
Maybe the "ether in the rain" is really just Coyote pissing on the Court. Did you have to say that? (Then again, tricksters often display - um - a lot of scatological humor. I wouldn't put it past him to start sniffing at Ysengrin's tree armor while Ysengrin's inside it, then lift a hind leg....) |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 9, 2014 0:33:36 GMT
Maybe the "ether in the rain" is really just Coyote pissing on the Court. Did you have to say that? (Then again, tricksters often display - um - a lot of scatological humor. I wouldn't put it past him to start sniffing at Ysengrin's tree armor while Ysengrin's inside it, then lift a hind leg....) I couldn't hold it any longer... hehehe |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Aug 9, 2014 5:14:12 GMT
Y'know, I don't think water is naturally etheric at all. After all, Zimmy did say that showers don't help either, implying that there is no ether in the water. Maybe it's only rain then, because it comes straight from the sky, and, after all, what is Aether most closely associated with? The impression I've gotten is that the water needs to be a part of the natural cycle to work; the sea is brimming with life, so it must be heavily loaded with Ether, as well. But it still might not help Zimmy; she seems to need the water to pass over her to wash her "taint" into the earth. If the water just goes back and forth like in the sea, it might just put her in the middle of a watery cloud of that black goo, and it would probably not be very healthy for her. ^ This I agree with. We know that natural water has Ether in it, that is the whole point of the power station, to extract the Ether from the water. But it is only when it comes down as rain that it helps Zimmy. Showers don't help, I am sure by now she has figured that baths or swimming don't either. Admittedly Sunny Birmingham is about as far from the shore as you can get in the UK, but that isn't saying much. If a swim in a river or at the ocean would have any positive effect on her, you can bet she would have realized this and wouldn't have stayed there. No, it has to have something to do with natural evaporation (solar energy?) that charges the water to a high enough level that when it comes down as rain, it actually helps. |
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Post by karampurwala on Aug 9, 2014 6:05:58 GMT
Hey, maybe Zimmy might end up accidentally crashing the ship with her powers.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 9, 2014 9:52:57 GMT
She isn't usually as frank as in the dream sequence What dream sequence? The ex-fairies aren't likely to show up; I got the impression that they were in a different year from Annie You think they all are in one year? There's a whole House. I don't think they're coming for the same reason why the Forest students are usually kept separate, i.e. to keep them from being named accidentally. Possibly. If anyone cares about their less than obligatory customs this much. |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 9, 2014 10:19:45 GMT
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Post by todd on Aug 9, 2014 10:41:59 GMT
The ex-fairies aren't likely to show up; I got the impression that they were in a different year from Annie You think they all are in one year? There's a whole House. The onss whom Annie's met (such as Red) aren't in her year. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 9, 2014 10:54:45 GMT
You think they all are in one year? There's a whole House. The onss whom Annie's met (such as Red) aren't in her year. It looks like this, yes. Then again, if those Foleys welcomed Annie with etheric cuddle-pile and "aww"-d at her phoenix for, there's no reason why others won't. And while Annie was at least some help to Zimmy even as a beginner, the whole crowd of ex-fairies who see out-of-body via Blinker stone as something like riding a kiddie tricycle may give off very high background magical level. |
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