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Post by alpacalypse on Jun 23, 2014 14:19:25 GMT
Im glad Annie has gotten good at not burning her clothes. It'd be pretty bad if she did so here
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Post by Intelligence on Jun 23, 2014 16:03:36 GMT
as Coyote is completely selfish Why does everyone hate on Coyote so much?  He's such a nice guy! |
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Post by philman on Jun 23, 2014 17:34:44 GMT
Maybe not this chapter, but things are going pear-shaped very soon now. Not the first time Tom made such a remark about Annie. Although I'm perfectly happy with an endless string of successes for miss Carver, that's not going to happen. I don't know, I think you're reading too much into To's comment, I took it as a friendly bit of snark based on her suddenly setting herself on fire, and, yes, showing off. That fairy is about to say something though, she's going to raise an objection, or ask a difficult to answer question that brings the whole mirage of an ordered introduction to the Mediums crashing down though. And Coyote will laugh. |
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Post by sidhekin on Jun 23, 2014 20:03:45 GMT
I'm a little uncomfortable with the amount of smiling our favorite deadpan fire elemental is doing today. A happy medium is probably best. |
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Post by KartoffelnMcNugget on Jun 23, 2014 20:59:25 GMT
Why does everyone hate on Coyote so much? He's such a nice guy! Oh, the irony...! |
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Post by keef on Jun 23, 2014 21:09:05 GMT
Maybe not this chapter, but things are going pear-shaped very soon now. Not the first time Tom made such a remark about Annie. Although I'm perfectly happy with an endless string of successes for miss Carver, that's not going to happen. I don't know, I think you're reading too much into Tom's comment, I took it as a friendly bit of snark based on her suddenly setting herself on fire, and, yes, showing off. Yes, good chance it's just that, but I was really impressed with that hubris theory.. The end-result is always the same  |
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Post by toodleboots on Jun 24, 2014 3:49:34 GMT
If Tom hadn't commented otherwise I wouldn't think she was showing off. I first thought that she was trying to distance herself from the court (as much as she can, given that she lives there) and make herself more approachable and familiar to the forest creatures. They're wary of humans, but a fire elemental arguably belongs in the forest more than it does the court and in that form they may be more accepting of and comfortable with her as their medium.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 24, 2014 9:39:30 GMT
Im glad Annie has gotten good at not burning her clothes. Happened only once, IIRC. And this time doesn't go this far to begin with. Though it's mostly because she doesn't play with fire involuntarily when distracted. It'd be pretty bad if she did so here Parley would be furious that she did it in front of Smitty, and he would feel awkward... I doubt anyone else in that company would be upset.  |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 24, 2014 11:43:13 GMT
Ooooooh, just had a thought. What if sad little Green here had had hopes of becoming the forest medium? It would be pretty awesome to see her challenge Annie for the right to the credentials, and forest creatures challenging each other is the normal way. Annie herself just asked them to speak to her as one of their own, so she's opened that door. And Coyote would surely find the situation hilarious, so I doubt he'd interfere. Jones is in the background in case anything goes sideways, so no major concerns for Annie in case something really nasty gets called up. And after Annie's recent showing off (both here and with her butt-kicking against Ysengrin's Army) she's due for a humbling. I'm sure I'm wrong as always, but this sounds like a wonderful cookie recipe to me. Just sayin'. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 24, 2014 11:55:26 GMT
I'm starting to wonder... A few chapters ago we saw that it's Anthony's desire to imprison or restrain the elemental side of Antimony, which is fine for him, having watched the same thing kill his wife. What if Coyote's intent or end goal is to manipulate Antimony or the fire elemental side until Antimony forgets or willingly gives up being human? That would be a neat parallel, though it's obviously speculation and seems...off somehow to me. (Also because I still don't believe that interpretation of Divine.) What's particularly entertaining to Coyote about this? Perhaps he would find her moving away from her friends and the Court entertaining...or maybe he just wants her around more because she stirs up so many interesting intrigues. Or something else unfathomable. I'm a little uncomfortable with the amount of smiling our favorite deadpan fire elemental is doing today. To me it seems forced after the Mort tragedies of last chapter (shrug) The end-result is always the same Watch that be the last panel of the whole comic. Why does everyone hate on Coyote so much? He's such a nice guy! (backing away slowly) |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Jun 24, 2014 12:29:04 GMT
Since Ysengrin's such a boring and dry character to hang around, I want to see Firehead Girl to incinerate him. She must become medium through trial by combat!
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 24, 2014 12:32:23 GMT
Also, I just had to say it:
Dog goes woof, cat goes meow, bird goes tweet, and elemental goes FOOM!
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 24, 2014 13:20:02 GMT
Also, I just had to say it: Dog goes woof, cat goes meow, bird goes tweet, and elemental goes FOOM! But what does the chickcharney say? |
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Post by legion on Jun 24, 2014 16:43:48 GMT
Why does everyone hate on Coyote so much? He's such a nice guy! Your definition of a "nice guy" is most people's definition of a manipulative, abusive boyfriend. |
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Post by jda on Jun 24, 2014 16:46:56 GMT
The greenbunny fairy has a look like:
1) She has lost everything to the fire, and she is telling herself "But everything changed when the fire nation attacked".
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2) She is about to reveal as being an unwilling asassin, sent to create havoc and initiate war with the Court, mainly by attacking The Mightiest Brows over Eyes present.
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 24, 2014 21:54:40 GMT
Why does everyone hate on Coyote so much? He's such a nice guy! Your definition of a "nice guy" is most people's definition of a manipulative, abusive boyfriend. Manipulative, always. Abusive, sometimes. Boyfriend? Not so much.
please please please ye internet gods let there be no fanfic on that topic...
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Post by eyemyself on Jun 25, 2014 1:50:55 GMT
Your definition of a "nice guy" is most people's definition of a manipulative, abusive boyfriend. Manipulative, always. Abusive, sometimes. Boyfriend? Not so much.
please please please ye internet gods let there be no fanfic on that topic...
I've seen speculation before that Y's devotion to Coyote has much in common with that of an abuse victim who says with an abuser out of love and I tend to agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 3:40:14 GMT
Isn't it strange that Ysengrin, who values honour, integrity, and straightforward behaviour so highly, should love Coyote? The same conflict seems to surface between his desire to emulate a human warrior, purporting a strict code of individual dignity (like a Greek hero, or a legendary ronin) and his inescapable tendency to enter a mind-erasing frenzy, as though he were a regular Dostoevsky character.
In the Ether, Coyote appears as endless strips of eyes and teeth stretching far into space, barely as an animal at all. If that apparition represents the idea through which Coyote came to life, and by which he is thus defined, it's possible that Ysengrin holds a strange affection for such an idea of fate - a fate behind whose whimsical facade there is predatory precision; a fate that is essentially dehumanized and destructive.
In a bitter twist, if Coyote is right, human nature seems to inflict such dehumanization upon itself, by taking unrelated phenomena and selfishly reappropriating them as symbols of a higher world order! Since Ysengrin is also a human creation or recombination, it's possible that he may have inherited such affinities.
Ysengrin's pursuit of strength and dignity blends with his sacrificial love of being a subordinate to a violent fate, if a high-ranking one. I don't want to read this comic (or anything) as a political allegory, but whatever the source of the insanity that Ysengrin is struggling with, it's warping his noble belief in individual strength ("power gives you freedom") into fascist doctrine ("might is right").
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Post by exuberancium on Jun 25, 2014 4:13:20 GMT
Looks like she doesn't need her blinker stone to make fire anymore
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Post by fwip on Jun 25, 2014 4:37:48 GMT
Looks like she doesn't need her blinker stone to make fire anymore I don't believe she had a blinker stone in Fire Spike. I'm starting to wonder... A few chapters ago we saw that it's Anthony's desire to imprison or restrain the elemental side of Antimony, which is fine for him, having watched the same thing kill his wife. What if Coyote's intent or end goal is to manipulate Antimony or the fire elemental side until Antimony forgets or willingly gives up being human? That would be a neat parallel, though it's obviously speculation and seems...off somehow to me. (Also because I still don't believe that interpretation of Divine.) What's particularly entertaining to Coyote about this? Perhaps he would find her moving away from her friends and the Court entertaining...or maybe he just wants her around more because she stirs up so many interesting intrigues. Or something else unfathomable. As I wasn't around during Divine, would you summarize the arguments against this interpretation? Is there another interpretation that makes more sense? The end-result is always the same Watch that be the last panel of the whole comic. Maybe if Coyote is revealed as a major puppet-master. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 5:27:01 GMT
As I wasn't around during Divine, would you summarize the arguments against this interpretation? Is there another interpretation that makes more sense? I can't answer for Daedalus, of course. That sequence about the bones could have been another part of Annie's psyche that Zimmy had pulled out into the open, and she might therefore have decked a manifestation of Annie's own inhibitions in the face, rather than Mr. Carver himself. Alternatively, the bones might not have been restraining bolts, but rather some kind of etheric communications device that Anthony had wanted to use to keep an eye on his daughter, but whose execution he had butchered pretty badly - that is, Anthony had not wanted to restrict the flame's freedom at all. |
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Post by Chancellor on Jun 25, 2014 5:42:19 GMT
Isn't it strange that Ysengrin, who values honour, integrity, and straightforward behaviour so highly, should love Coyote? The same conflict seems to surface between his desire to emulate a human warrior, purporting a strict code of individual dignity (like a Greek hero, or a legendary ronin) and his inescapable tendency to enter a mind-erasing frenzy, as though he were a regular Dostoevsky character. In the Ether, Coyote appears as endless strips of eyes and teeth stretching far into space, barely as an animal at all. If that apparition represents the idea through which Coyote came to life, and by which he is thus defined, it's possible that Ysengrin holds a strange affection for such an idea of fate - a fate behind whose whimsical facade there is predatory precision; a fate that is essentially dehumanized and destructive. In a bitter twist, if Coyote is right, human nature seems to inflict such dehumanization upon itself, by taking unrelated phenomena and selfishly reappropriating them as symbols of a higher world order! Since Ysengrin is also a human creation or recombination, it's possible that he may have inherited such affinities. Ysengrin's pursuit of strength and dignity blends with his sacrificial love of being a subordinate to a violent fate, if a high-ranking one. I don't want to read this comic (or anything) as a political allegory, but whatever the source of the insanity that Ysengrin is struggling with, it's warping his noble belief in individual strength ("power gives you freedom") into fascist doctrine ("might is right"). Oh my. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 25, 2014 5:46:39 GMT
Ehhhhh I have a long response about my interpretation of Ys's character planned, but it'll have to wait until morning.
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 25, 2014 12:35:48 GMT
Looks like she doesn't need her blinker stone to make fire anymore I don't believe she had a blinker stone in Fire Spike. She's had it since she fell off the bridge, actually, when Muut gave it to her. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jun 25, 2014 13:46:08 GMT
I don't believe she had a blinker stone in Fire Spike. She's had it since she fell off the bridge, actually, when Muut gave it to her. She's had it, but have we seen her still using it lately? |
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 25, 2014 14:07:31 GMT
She's had it, but have we seen her still using it lately? I believe the speculation has been for past chapters that the necklace she's wearing has the blinker stone on it, just concealed under the collar line of her shirts. I remember someone mentioning it back during Crash Course, at the very least. |
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 25, 2014 14:52:01 GMT
She's had it, but have we seen her still using it lately? Since she's been trained to use it remotely, to retrieve it at will, and has apparently developed abilities that make its use optional when it comes to things like fire, I think the question is moot. I was merely correcting the misconception regarding her acquisition of the stone being after Fire Spike. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 25, 2014 16:26:26 GMT
As she's part fire elemental, I would expect fire to be among the first things she *doesn't* need the blinker stone for. (Hypothetically, she could do something else a lot and deliberately not do fire-related stuff, in which case that wouldn't apply. However we've seen that she doesn't hesitate to light up in public.)
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Post by lit on Jun 25, 2014 18:09:42 GMT
I figured she learned how to do without the blinker stone once the fairies pulled her off of it in "Red gets a name". She was able to really impress them with her etheric ability at that point, so continuing to use the blinker stone seemed a crutch she no longer really needed.
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Post by exuberancium on Jun 25, 2014 18:30:05 GMT
I believe the speculation has been for past chapters that the necklace she's wearing has the blinker stone on it, just concealed under the collar line of her shirts. I remember someone mentioning it back during Crash Course, at the very least. Yeah, she usually wears it as a necklace, but she's never been shown using it without holding it in her hand. The most recent time she made fire was when she accepted Coyote's offer to be the forest medium, and she had her blinker stone in her hand then. I don't believe she had a blinker stone in Fire Spike. Ah, good catch, you're right. Though, technically she might have used it, and we just didn't see it. More likely, though, is that her emotional state allowed her to use her fire elemental powers without the stone. |
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