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Post by calpal on Dec 11, 2014 6:42:13 GMT
Moving this here... Hmmm interesting...that would be an intriguing tie to the ether. Then the ship would have been sent to the ether, with its last vision of an avenging goddess. That could make a splash. One thing I was thinking about is that, maybe, Zimmy's powers work by manifestating the Ether and weaving it with reality. As long as her powers are active, the Ether stuff is just as real as reality and both are the same. If we go by that token, you don't really need anyone or anything to take whale-ship to the Ether because, in essentia, it was already there. I don't know why, but that just sounds off with your statement about the ship already being in the Ether. It wouldn't really explain how Kat turned into her angelic form after Zimmy already felt the rain, thus neutralizing her powers and severing all bond between the Ether and the material world in that area. I'm more inclined to believe that she's some kind of gateway to an etheric version of purgatory, where ideas are not yet fully absorbed and made real only when allowed - or forced - through the gate ( even Zimmy might have hinted at this before). Right now, I'd say that door is closed shut, so whatever caused Kat's transformation had to be manifested in her after leaving... It might be more likely the whale was blown away to RotD, or maybe a psychopomp who deals with aquatic life mistook it for an actual whale - after all, for all intents and purposes, this boat whale was no less different from other whales, being made an organic being and all before dying. Then again, we may yet see what actually happens after Kat's form calms down... maybe a psychopomp comes around in the next few pages? |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 12, 2014 8:03:33 GMT
So the image of RoboKat was indeed just a temporary phenomenon. Let's see when that will be discussed again, though...
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Post by calpal on Dec 13, 2014 15:08:19 GMT
Also, I just had this realization:   Did Annie put the stars in the sky? Don't know if anyone else has made this connection, but I had to get this off my mind. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 13, 2014 15:10:46 GMT
Maybe it was the Ship's hopes and dreams that died and passed into the ether, leaving behind a soulless CPU with just code and data storage.
Which death is harsher punishment? Physical death, death of personality, death by deletion, soul death, ...
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 13, 2014 15:26:17 GMT
Also, I just had this realization: Did Annie put the stars in the sky? Don't know if anyone else has made this connection, but I had to get this off my mind. I think it might be told more like... And the Fire Elemental made the stars as a gift to the Angel and the Angel placed them in the sky for all to see. I assume the Robot Angel will be immortal even after Kat lives her normal human life and her body expires. Others have already speculated that the Fire Elemental could theoretically live forever in successive generations of daughters. So could the Angel and Fire Elemental remain friends in both the real GKC world and in the robot religion? |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 13, 2014 17:17:13 GMT
Also, I just had this realization: Did Annie put the stars in the sky? Don't know if anyone else has made this connection, but I had to get this off my mind. As awesome as that might be, I think that for the moment it might be going past the realm of probability. All of Kat's dealings so far have had to do with robots directly, and I think the use of stars twice there was a coincidence. But that would indeed be epic, haha - Robot's next sermon listing off epic things that the Angel has done: raise the dead, smite the wicked, place the stars in the heavens. |
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Post by KMar on Dec 13, 2014 18:02:38 GMT
Also, I just had this realization: Did Annie put the stars in the sky? Don't know if anyone else has made this connection, but I had to get this off my mind. As awesome as that might be, I think it might be going past the realm of probability. All of Kat's dealings so far have had to do with robots directly, and I think the use of stars twice there was a coincidence. But that would indeed be epic, haha - Robot's next sermon listing off epic things that the Angel has done: raise the dead, smite the wicked, place the stars in the heavens. No, she clearly made them. Coyote said he found the Great Spirit placing them into sky, and we know he never lies, but did he ever said where the Spirit got them in the first place? *Edit*: Sorry, mistaken protagonist. Annie made the stars and gave them to Kat. But where the Great Spirit got the stars? When is the last time we've seen the stars in the possession of Kat? Though 'smite the wicked, got the stars in the sky stolen from you' does not sound as impressive. *End of Edit* |
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Post by calpal on Dec 13, 2014 20:46:14 GMT
Also, I just had this realization: Did Annie put the stars in the sky? Don't know if anyone else has made this connection, but I had to get this off my mind. As awesome as that might be, I think it might be going past the realm of probability. All of Kat's dealings so far have had to do with robots directly, and I think the use of stars twice there was a coincidence. But that would indeed be epic, haha - Robot's next sermon listing off epic things that the Angel has done: raise the dead, smite the wicked, place the stars in the heavens. But according to Coyote's theory, based on what Jones explains, every great and powerful being explains how the stars in they sky were placed by them. I suppose the only tricky part is in whether Kat would ever choose to explain to the Robots how the stars got into the sky in such a hokey way. More comically, I'm betting that Robot is looking at the skies one night, wondering how they got there and, when he asks Kat, she thinks he's talking about the jar of stars Annie made for her many summers ago. Hence, she claims that Annie put them in the sky, so that is what Robot and his worshippers believe now. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 13, 2014 21:33:13 GMT
As awesome as that might be, I think it might be going past the realm of probability. All of Kat's dealings so far have had to do with robots directly, and I think the use of stars twice there was a coincidence. But that would indeed be epic, haha - Robot's next sermon listing off epic things that the Angel has done: raise the dead, smite the wicked, place the stars in the heavens. But according to Coyote's theory, based on what Jones explains, every great and powerful being explains how the stars in they sky were placed by them. I suppose the only tricky part is in whether Kat would ever choose to explain to the Robots how the stars got into the sky in such a hokey way. More comically, I'm betting that Robot is looking at the skies one night, wondering how they got there and, when he asks Kat, she thinks he's talking about the jar of stars Annie made for her many summers ago. Hence, she claims that Annie put them in the sky, so that is what Robot and his worshippers believe now. "The stars - where did they come from?" "Oh, Annie made them over the summer and gave them to me. I put them there. It took a while, haha!" Though Jones did not say *every* being tells that story, and I still think this is a coincidence. How about this: if you're right, I give you claim to a quarter of my Gunnercookies  |
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Post by calpal on Dec 14, 2014 19:44:13 GMT
We have a deal, Daedalus! I will enjoy your Gunnercookies very much, with chocolate sprinkles and hot chocolate.
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Dec 14, 2014 20:17:13 GMT
We have a deal, Daedalus! I will enjoy your Gunnercookies very much, with chocolate sprinkles and hot chocolate. If you turn out to be incorrect, I think you would go well with some sage and butter. Mmmmm. |
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Post by calpal on Jan 1, 2015 22:20:35 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 1, 2015 23:45:49 GMT
We've definitely talked about the Tic-Tocs before several times (see below), but I don't think they've ever been suggested as the Angel's eyes. I love this idea. New headcanon, at least for me  (Slightly expanded and added to OP...) From OP: |
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Post by Chancellor on Jan 2, 2015 7:10:06 GMT
Oooooh.
We've never really seen anything rattle Zimmy so much as The Angel, so heck, I could totally see that being a possibility.
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Post by hp on Jan 22, 2015 23:46:52 GMT
Hello folks. I`m a longtime brazilian reader of GC but I just registered to the forum.
I like the GodKat theory and all the possibilities you guys summed up about the story endgame.
I have a question... How do you think Jeanne (and her likely journey into the ether) fits in the long run?
Her role right now is to keep the Annan river unpassable, which is a defining rule of the current status quo. Annie`s gang self-appointed quest to get Jeanne to the ether is, AFAIK, only known by the psychopomps, the RotD and Jones (who is neutral). Taking Jeanne off the table appears set to be a gamechanging move that will come as a wrench to both the court and the woods plans. I wonder if it would precipitate some kind of confrontation between the two sides.
Of course, Coyote is a god and seems to be pretty well informed (maybe omniscient?). Also, the court seems to be pretty capable of monitoring their students. Perhaps both parties are more aware of Annie`s gang activities than we believe (or even counting on them)?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 23, 2015 0:42:40 GMT
Hello folks. I`m a longtime brazilian reader of GC but I just registered to the forum. I like the GodKat theory and all the possibilities you guys summed up about the story endgame. I have a question... How do you think Jeanne (and her likely journey into the ether) fits in the long run? Her role right now is to keep the Annan river unpassable, which is a defining rule of the current status quo. Annie`s gang self-appointed quest to get Jeanne to the ether is, AFAIK, only known by the psychopomps, the RotD and Jones (who is neutral). Taking Jeanne off the table appears set to be a gamechanging move that will come as a wrench to both the court and the woods plans. I wonder if it would precipitate some kind of confrontation between the two sides. Of course, Coyote is a god and seems to be pretty well informed (maybe omniscient?). Also, the court seems to be pretty capable of monitoring their students. Perhaps both parties are more aware of Annie`s gang activities than we believe (or even counting on them)? I think... The Court Founders thought they needed Jeanne to act as a guardian of the Annan Waters, and they were probably correct on that point at the time. The Court has evolved since then and one could argue that now the Court can protect itself without Jeanne and with robots. But the Founders did such a good job erasing the records that the Court may no longer know about Jeanne or the protection she is providing. There are plenty of monsters in the forest. If and when Jeanne is freed, some of them will probably try to cause problems by crossing the river even if Coyote and Ysengrin forbid it. They are monsters, it is in the nature, and they still hate humans. Annie and the gang may realize this before they try to free Jeanne and prepare for Jeanne's absence. Or they may realize the problem only after they've freed Jeanne and some monsters have run amok in the Court. How that fits in with the Mecha-Angel is harder to tell. If you want a happy ending, maybe Kat will end up leading the Court and re-establish a cooperative relationship with the forest through Annie. If you want something less happy, then how about Kat being unable to restrain the Seed Bismuth, it resumes its expansion, and the forest is consumed. BTW: Coyote may or may not know about Jeanne. He only told Annie that there is something keeping them from crossing the river, he didn't say it was a ghost or spirit. But you would think Coyote would have observed Jeanne by now and we know that Coyote often tells half truths. He never lies because that is boring. But tricking people by telling them the truth (if not the whole truth) is a more interesting challenge. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 23, 2015 2:20:39 GMT
Of course, Coyote is a god and seems to be pretty well informed (maybe omniscient?). BTW: Coyote may or may not know about Jeanne. He only told Annie that there is something keeping them from crossing the river, he didn't say it was a ghost or spirit. But you would think Coyote would have observed Jeanne by now and we know that Coyote often tells half truths. He never lies because that is boring. But tricking people by telling them the truth (if not the whole truth) is a more interesting challenge. On this topic, Tom has said: |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 23, 2015 8:27:37 GMT
Welcome to the forums, hp! If you want a happy ending, maybe Kat will end up leading the Court and re-establish a cooperative relationship with the forest through Annie. If you want something less happy, then how about Kat being unable to restrain the Seed Bismuth, it resumes its expansion, and the forest is consumed. I forget what was said exactly but there was something formsprung that made me think that GC will end because of the Kat/Antimony plot reaches some sort of stopping point and the overall state of the Woods and the Court will be left unresolved. |
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Post by Nepycros on Jan 23, 2015 22:37:05 GMT
I'm starting to think Kat retroactively put Tic-Tocs into the world to watch over the court. The robots say that a mythical being placed them there for surveillance and protection. They are mechanical birds. The spoopy coefficient rises.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 23, 2015 23:32:37 GMT
I'm starting to think Kat retroactively put Tic-Tocs into the world to watch over the court. The robots say that a mythical being placed them there for surveillance and protection. They are mechanical birds. The spooky coefficient rises. Great minds think alike |
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Post by calpal on Jan 24, 2015 0:37:08 GMT
Hello folks. I`m a longtime brazilian reader of GC but I just registered to the forum. I like the GodKat theory and all the possibilities you guys summed up about the story endgame. I have a question... How do you think Jeanne (and her likely journey into the ether) fits in the long run? Her role right now is to keep the Annan river unpassable, which is a defining rule of the current status quo. Annie`s gang self-appointed quest to get Jeanne to the ether is, AFAIK, only known by the psychopomps, the RotD and Jones (who is neutral). Taking Jeanne off the table appears set to be a gamechanging move that will come as a wrench to both the court and the woods plans. I wonder if it would precipitate some kind of confrontation between the two sides. Of course, Coyote is a god and seems to be pretty well informed (maybe omniscient?). Also, the court seems to be pretty capable of monitoring their students. Perhaps both parties are more aware of Annie`s gang activities than we believe (or even counting on them)? My theory is more or less in line with Jellybean. Once Jeanne is gone, the creatures will be able to cross freely. Feeling threatened, the Court starts to utilize etheric magic in weaponized forms to wipe out the forest creatures, which prompts the General - Ysengrin - to counter-attack with a full-out war being waged. I've also theorized that this might come around a time where, interrupting the Annie-gang, the Court invokes the wrath of the robots by trying to seize Kat or her work, which prompts a sort of civil war within the Court prior to a theoretical Battle of the Annan Straight. Basically, Kat somehow dies during this conflict, but comes back through etheric means and transforms into a fully mecha-angel. Have to run, can't theorize any further. |
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Post by Chancellor on Jan 26, 2015 8:20:24 GMT
The Tic-Tock theory is cool by me all except for the Time Travel aspect. Time travel in general hurts my head too much so I'm not a big fan of its use.
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Post by OGRuddawg on Jan 26, 2015 16:01:59 GMT
I have to side with Chancellor on this one. I don't think Kat is involved with the creation of the Tic-Tocs because
1.) I'm not convinced Kat would really want to create surveillance equipment. It just does not seem like something she would do.
2.) Time travel has been used in way too many stories in my opinion, and I don't particularly want to see GKC use time travel as a plot convenience tool.
3.) Even with time travel, I think it would be a logistical nightmare for it to make sense.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 26, 2015 18:48:40 GMT
I have to side with Chancellor on this one. I don't think Kat is involved with the creation of the Tic-Tocs because 1.) I'm not convinced Kat would really want to create surveillance equipment. It just does not seem like something she would do. 2.) Time travel has been used in way too many stories in my opinion, and I don't particularly want to see GKC use time travel as a plot convenience tool. 3.) Even with time travel, I think it would be a logistical nightmare for it to make sense. I'm taking an in-between position on this one: I really do think that Kat created them in the future, but I do not think that there is true time travel involved. Tom has laid the seeds of that mind-bending "retroactive causality"-esque idea that things from the Ether can exist before being created, and I think that will be the solution used here. I mean, saying that they were created by a mythical guardian to "watch over" the robots, then calling them the Thousand Eyes, then giving Kat a bird motif? That's too good of a parallel to pass up! |
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Post by Nepycros on Jan 26, 2015 19:00:53 GMT
I think we can all reasonably expect there to be no time machines, reality warping portals, or other gimmicky McGuffin artifacts to send a bunch of avionic bionics into the past. Coyote's theory stands as a good groundwork for the Tic-Toc theory by itself, while the details regarding the bird motif and mechanical prowess of Kat are added clues.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 26, 2015 19:05:08 GMT
I think we can all reasonably expect there to be no time machines, reality warping portals, or other gimmicky McGuffin artifacts to send a bunch of avionic bionics into the past. Coyote's theory stands as a good groundwork for the Tic-Toc theory by itself, while the details regarding the bird motif and mechanical prowess of Kat are added clues. The only other possibility I can think of would be Zimmy going nuclear (again) since we know she has at least minor time-manipulation powers. But I don't think that would happen, personally. |
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Post by calpal on Feb 2, 2015 13:35:26 GMT
Hmmm...  Hmmm?!  HMMMMMMM?!?! |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2015 16:34:45 GMT
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Post by Chancellor on Feb 4, 2015 7:57:40 GMT
I'm not sure I'm catching the drift here.
Are you implying that the comic is implying that the physical code was some manner of Totem?
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 4, 2015 8:22:05 GMT
I'm not sure I'm catching the drift here. Are you implying that the comic is implying that the physical code was some manner of Totem? It is implying implications that the code is like the soul of a robot, and thus the technological equivalent of this totem. |
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(Slightly expanded and added to OP...)
