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Post by warrl on Nov 11, 2013 2:17:04 GMT
Here's an example: If a virus in the wild, in tricking a cedar tree's cells into making copies of the virus, randomly happens to incorporate a section of cedar-tree DNA into the offspring viruses, and then some of those offspring similarly randomly copy a portion of that DNA into, say, the reproductive machinery of a wheat plant, and thus that transgenic wheat plant becomes the progenitor of a new strain of wheat... that's okay. (And by the way, EVERY plant, animal, and fungus has traces in its DNA of this sort of thing having happened several times.) If viruses in the lab, carefully manipulated by humans, are caused to similarly copy a carefully-chosen section of DNA from a cedar tree into a wheat plant, the resulting transgenic wheat strain is absolutely irrevocably untrustworthy and unsafe; it must not be permitted into the food supply, or into the wild, until every possible side effect that anyone can imagine is definitively proven not to occur. My God, you're being sarcastic right? Nope, that last paragraph is exactly the attitude I see. The fact that I put in the paragaph about wild viruses, and the similarity between these paragraphs, should show what I think of that attitude. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 4:51:09 GMT
I meant were you speaking with a sarcastic tone in the second paragraph, but I've got it now.
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Post by thedoctor on Nov 11, 2013 8:12:44 GMT
That's simple. This video explains it better than I can. I liked this movie. To be fair though, the idea of a round Earth goes back at least 2,500 years, and the idea that everybody in the middle ages 'forgot' the shape of the Earth is a myth. I heartily approve both this video post and the correction of Senor Goose! MIB for the win! That agent K quote is one of my favorite descriptions of the human race ever (I'm a little cynical, in case you can't tell). |
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Post by philman on Nov 11, 2013 8:45:30 GMT
I came into theis thread expecting a 4 page argument about PazKat or something, damn was I wrong here...
Religion is fine, atheism is fine, everyone do what they want unless it hurts someone else (love thy neighbour and all that).
Now come on people, let's get back to what this forum is about, watching 14 year old girls kissing? erm...don't quote me on that.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 11, 2013 17:20:36 GMT
I came into theis thread expecting a 4 page argument about PazKat or something, damn was I wrong here... Religion is fine, atheism is fine, everyone do what they want unless it hurts someone else (love thy neighbour and all that). Now come on people, let's get back to what this forum is about, watching 14 year old girls kissing? erm...don't quote me on that. All the original topics are flying off somewhere, we just all get distracted somehow  I now open up a post expecting something entirely different. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 11, 2013 18:09:52 GMT
I came into theis thread expecting a 4 page argument about PazKat or something, damn was I wrong here... Religion is fine, atheism is fine, everyone do what they want unless it hurts someone else (love thy neighbour and all that). Now come on people, let's get back to what this forum is about, watching 14 year old girls kissing? erm...don't quote me on that. All the original topics are flying off somewhere, we just all get distracted somehow I now open up a post expecting something entirely different. I wonder if it was always like this, or if this has happened relatively recently... I could check the older threads, but I am too lazy. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 11, 2013 18:17:15 GMT
All the original topics are flying off somewhere, we just all get distracted somehow I now open up a post expecting something entirely different. I wonder if it was always like this, or if this has happened relatively recently... I think it dates back approximately to the invention of conversation. |
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Post by Toloc on Nov 11, 2013 18:25:50 GMT
Seriously, though, why do people have such a problem with GMOs? Other than cultural bias, I mean. The problem with GMOs is not the GMOs themselves. And no one whose main info source on the matter isn't "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" will claim that. The problem with GMOs is the corporate politics behind them. I could go on, but I'm not into poking hornet's nests on the net. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Nov 11, 2013 18:35:42 GMT
To be fair though, the idea of a round Earth goes back at least 2,500 years, and the idea that everybody in the middle ages 'forgot' the shape of the Earth is a myth. You know what myth never goes out of style? "Every culture that came before ours was either a superstitious, uneducated, mess or a filthy, hedonistic cesspool. Truly, we have achieved the pinnacle of human advancement and enlightenment." (a.k.a. No one will ever be better than we are.) |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 11, 2013 18:59:48 GMT
To be fair though, the idea of a round Earth goes back at least 2,500 years, and the idea that everybody in the middle ages 'forgot' the shape of the Earth is a myth. People in Middle Ages knew perfectly well that Earth was round. Aristotle said so, and therefore it had to be true. Also, sphere is the most perfect form, so God must have made the world in that shape, anyway. They didn't know that it went around the Sun, though. Sorry to point out factual error in what was probably supposed to be just an analogy.  |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 11, 2013 19:21:54 GMT
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Post by sidhekin on Nov 11, 2013 19:42:47 GMT
I wonder if a debate between pastafarians and flat-earthers would be as entertaining as it sounds.
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 19:48:58 GMT
To be fair though, the idea of a round Earth goes back at least 2,500 years, and the idea that everybody in the middle ages 'forgot' the shape of the Earth is a myth. People in Middle Ages knew perfectly well that Earth was round. Aristotle said so, and therefore it had to be true. Also, sphere is the most perfect form, so God must have made the world in that shape, anyway. They didn't know that it went around the Sun, though. Sorry to point out factual error in what was probably supposed to be just an analogy. First off: don't ever apologise for pointing out a factual error. Second, planets become spherical when they become massive enough that the gravitational stresses pull on the surface strong enough to overcome the integrity of the rock, or something to that effect. Thirdly, there isn't a factual error in what I said, and there wasn't an analogy either. I speak literalisms in the sciences. Not sure what you're talking about. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 11, 2013 19:49:30 GMT
I love these people. Quoted, as according to Wikipedia: "Aim: To carefully observe, think freely, rediscover forgotten fact and oppose theoretical dogmatic assumptions. To help establish the United States...of the world on this flat earth. Replace the science religion...with SANITY. The International Flat Earth Society is the oldest continuous Society existing in the world today. It began with the Creation of the Creation. First the water...the face of the deep...without form or limits...just Water. Then the Land sitting in and on the Water, the Water then as now being flat and level, as is the very Nature of Water. There are, of course, mountains and valleys on the Land but since most of the World is Water, we say, "The World is Flat". Historical accounts and spoken history tell us the Land part may have been square, all in one mass at one time, then as now, the magnetic north being the Center. Vast cataclysmic events and shaking no doubt broke the land apart, divided the Land to be our present continents or islands as they exist today. One thing we know for sure about this world...the known inhabited world is Flat, Level, a Plain World. We maintain that what is called 'Science' today and 'scientists' consist of the same old gang of witch doctors, sorcerers, tellers of tales, the 'Priest-Entertainers' for the common people. 'Science' consists of a weird, way-out occult concoction of gibberish theory-theology...unrelated to the real world of facts, technology and inventions, tall buildings and fast cars, airplanes and other Real and Good things in life; technology is not in any way related to the web of idiotic scientific theory. ALL inventors have been anti-science. The Wright brothers said: "Science theory held us up for years. When we threw out all science, started from experiment and experience, then we invented the airplane." By the way, airplanes all fly level on this Plane earth." |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 19:50:22 GMT
Seriously, though, why do people have such a problem with GMOs? Other than cultural bias, I mean. The problem with GMOs is not the GMOs themselves. And no one whose main info source on the matter isn't "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" will claim that. The problem with GMOs is the corporate politics behind them. I could go on, but I'm not into poking hornet's nests on the net. Monsanto? I agree. It's too big a company to control the food supply. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 11, 2013 19:52:44 GMT
The problem with GMOs is not the GMOs themselves. And no one whose main info source on the matter isn't "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" will claim that. The problem with GMOs is the corporate politics behind them. I could go on, but I'm not into poking hornet's nests on the net. Monsanto? I agree. It's too big a company to control the food supply. I have heard that, when GMOs spread to neighboring unaffiliated fields (as they tend to do), Monsanto sues the owner of the fields for theft and patent infringement. |
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Post by philman on Nov 11, 2013 19:56:11 GMT
I always thought the Flat Earth Society was a spoof, people who know what the world is really like but delight in trolling everyone.
And we're onto GMOs now? bloody hell... I don't see what's different about companies like Monsanto controlling elements of the world food supply as opposed to the companies that do it now.
Can't we start a separate subforum to discuss off topic stuff or something?
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Post by Lightice on Nov 11, 2013 19:57:20 GMT
Thirdly, there isn't a factual error in what I said, and there wasn't an analogy either. I speak literalisms in the sciences. Not sure what you're talking about. I was under the impression that you used that assumed fact as comparison to the modern day prejudices and superstitions. But anyway, you did make a factual error of assuming that people forgot that the Earth was round during the Middle Ages. They didn't. It was a well-known fact to even slightly educated people, partially thanks to physical evidence, but mostly thanks to the scholarly and religious authorities of the day liking the idea for the reasons I described -- that Aristotle said so and that God would want to make the world in a perfect shape. And I'm well aware with the actual science of why Earth became a slightly rough flattened sphere, ofcourse. I was talking about the Medieval beliefs. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 11, 2013 19:57:28 GMT
Can't we start a separate subforum to discuss off topic stuff or something? Debatably, the entire forum currently serves this purpose. Every discussion longer than 2 pages has ventured into non-GKC territory. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 11, 2013 20:11:42 GMT
But anyway, you did make a factual error of assuming that people forgot that the Earth was round during the Middle Ages. They didn't. You may want to re-read what he said. the idea that everybody in the middle ages 'forgot' the shape of the Earth is a myth. |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 11, 2013 20:15:53 GMT
[You may want to re-read what he said. *facepalm* Looks like I need some sleep. I didn't notice the quotation marks at all.  |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 20:16:57 GMT
Monsanto? I agree. It's too big a company to control the food supply. I have heard that, when GMOs spread to neighboring unaffiliated fields (as they tend to do), Monsanto sues the owner of the fields for theft and patent infringement. Not true; this seems to be based on an incident where a former Monsanto employee stole a bunch of their seeds to grow his own farm. When Monsanto came around an asked why his crops contained patented genes, he claimed that his crops had been cross-pollinated with a Monsanto crops. He lost the case. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 11, 2013 20:23:53 GMT
For an extra dose of craziness, check out timecube.com, my favorite half-lucid webpage dedicated to revealing the truth about the time cube. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 12, 2013 0:43:03 GMT
Can't we start a separate subforum to discuss off topic stuff or something? Debatably, the entire forum currently serves this purpose. Every discussion longer than 2 pages has ventured into non-GKC territory. And it's a good thing it does or this place would be awfully boring. Personally, I think off-topic discussion was the outlet that took the steam out of previous flame-wars over the issue of Kat and Paz. If you notice, two of the biggest "it's happening" pages just happened, and there was not a single troll in sight. In a world where one man with severe schizophrenia can buy server hosting with his disability payments...
CHAOS WILL REIGN - THIS SUMMER
DON'T MISS THE SMASH-HIT PARANORMAL THRILLER OF THE YEAR
TIME CUBE
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 12, 2013 1:34:57 GMT
I'd watch that movie.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 12, 2013 6:25:35 GMT
Debatably, the entire forum currently serves this purpose. Every discussion longer than 2 pages has ventured into non-GKC territory. And it's a good thing it does or this place would be awfully boring. Personally, I think off-topic discussion was the outlet that took the steam out of previous flame-wars over the issue of Kat and Paz. If you notice, two of the biggest "it's happening" pages just happened, and there was not a single troll in sight. In a world where one man with severe schizophrenia can buy server hosting with his disability payments...
CHAOS WILL REIGN - THIS SUMMER
DON'T MISS THE SMASH-HIT PARANORMAL THRILLER OF THE YEAR
TIME CUBE
Maybe there were no trolls here because they're all on the GKC comments page. |
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Post by fishtie on Nov 12, 2013 6:30:19 GMT
I love these people. Quoted, as according to Wikipedia: "Aim: To carefully observe, think freely, rediscover forgotten fact and oppose theoretical dogmatic assumptions. To help establish the United States...of the world on this flat earth. Replace the science religion...with SANITY. The International Flat Earth Society is the oldest continuous Society existing in the world today. It began with the Creation of the Creation. First the water...the face of the deep...without form or limits...just Water. Then the Land sitting in and on the Water, the Water then as now being flat and level, as is the very Nature of Water. There are, of course, mountains and valleys on the Land but since most of the World is Water, we say, "The World is Flat". Historical accounts and spoken history tell us the Land part may have been square, all in one mass at one time, then as now, the magnetic north being the Center. Vast cataclysmic events and shaking no doubt broke the land apart, divided the Land to be our present continents or islands as they exist today. One thing we know for sure about this world...the known inhabited world is Flat, Level, a Plain World. We maintain that what is called 'Science' today and 'scientists' consist of the same old gang of witch doctors, sorcerers, tellers of tales, the 'Priest-Entertainers' for the common people. 'Science' consists of a weird, way-out occult concoction of gibberish theory-theology...unrelated to the real world of facts, technology and inventions, tall buildings and fast cars, airplanes and other Real and Good things in life; technology is not in any way related to the web of idiotic scientific theory. ALL inventors have been anti-science. The Wright brothers said: "Science theory held us up for years. When we threw out all science, started from experiment and experience, then we invented the airplane." By the way, airplanes all fly level on this Plane earth." I for one, would watch way more news and educational programing if all the nameplates under the talking heads would say 'Priest-Entertainer' or 'old gang teller of tales'. |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 12, 2013 7:09:40 GMT
All I can think of after reading this "theory" is that, if it were true, I'd spend my entire life trying to melt the ice wall that held the Earth together and love every minute of it. Once again reality ruins another dream. |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 12, 2013 7:56:54 GMT
Monsanto? I agree. It's too big a company to control the food supply. I have heard that, when GMOs spread to neighboring unaffiliated fields (as they tend to do), Monsanto sues the owner of the fields for theft and patent infringement. ...and then burns the field for good measure. Yup. Wonder that someone have a problem with this? Also, it almost by definition multiplies most problems with allergies - shuffle around enough of DNA and you can't really tell what is really contained in what, all possibly affected food becomes one big minefield. And what if the allergy develops to one of proteins copied all over the place? Because copypasting is the sort of monkey business which always happens in all other areas - it's simpler and cheaper than custom work. And in the end all this method solves well is unwillingness to think and invest in optimizing processes elsewhere (e.g. bouncing tomato), usually it have nothing to do with the real bottlenecks except distracting from them and it's certainly not about making strawberries available for poor colonists on Mars. |
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