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Post by Nnelg on Oct 2, 2013 15:17:29 GMT
For historical purposes, here's a comparison:  Oh my... Now I see what everyone was talking about. xD |
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Post by exdevlin on Oct 2, 2013 15:28:46 GMT
For historical purposes, here's a comparison: Seeing as I missed the original, I have the same response as Nnelg: "Oh THAT'S what you're all talking about. I thought she looked perfectly fine in the last frame. I actually really like the streamlined effect on Annie, since it really brings a sense of FIRE FLARING OUTWARDS LIKE JET ROCKETS; a sense of motion and force. In retrospect, the final frame does indeed look better than the original. Kat is supposed to be the one with the nose after all. Can't wait for Friday's comic. I hope it's explosive. |
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Post by nero on Oct 2, 2013 15:35:48 GMT
I like to think that Annie burned of the fur from that monster's fingers.
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Post by atteSmythe on Oct 2, 2013 17:08:41 GMT
Ah, I never saw the original version. The updated one is absolutely perfect, IMO. This is the most resolution that I think we've seen Annie drawn in. It's definitely a slightly different style. I think it's a treatment befitting the panel. Wonderful!
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 2, 2013 17:13:08 GMT
"The level of art in this comic is amazing." Well, of course  that's one of the main reasons it's so unique among webcomics. And one of the main reasons, if not the main reason, why I, for example, read it in the first place. |
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Post by csj on Oct 2, 2013 17:19:18 GMT
The original nose looked more Anglo-Irish to me, than anything else. It's not pointing down enough.
I have some rather... unfortunately-shaped noses in my genetic history, all of whom originated in Ireland. I actually find the replacement nose too 'samey' and would've preferred some kind of compromise in the middle. Not everyone has a straight nose, dammit.
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 2, 2013 17:20:35 GMT
For the record, Tom's Twitter reads at time of posting: "Tom changed the recent page because lots of people on the internet were saying "Annie's got a big ol' Jew nose"!!" I noticed this before I came to the forums today and read the critiques. Further proof that Tom surfs the buttzone and the forums simultaneously. Not everyone has a straight nose, dammit. Usually Tom's "mid-distance" style has Annie's nose as a small curved line on her face. Even when we zoom in for the closeup, it's still pretty small. The sudden acquisition of three dimensions plus a significant size gain was... off putting.  |
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Post by Covalent on Oct 2, 2013 17:27:57 GMT
Anyone noticed Annie's face getting more and more detailed? Kinda scary, and she also looks like an adult now, for just being high school age. o.O
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Post by JCBeastie on Oct 2, 2013 17:47:50 GMT
Haha I see. Came here after seeing the updated panel; could not believe how anyone could criticise it.
All makes sense now.
It has to be one of the most beautiful panels in the comic so far IMO.
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Post by davidm on Oct 2, 2013 18:09:20 GMT
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 2, 2013 18:30:06 GMT
For historical purposes, here's a comparison: So, it was the nose that made it. |
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Post by suvoroff on Oct 2, 2013 18:52:48 GMT
I think this is the right music for this episode;
Ink spots
I don't want to set the world on fire,
I just want to start a flame in your heart.
In my heart I have but one desire,
and that one is you,
no other will do.
I've lost all ambition for worldly acclaim,
I just want to be the one you love.
And with your admission that you feel the same,
I'll have reached the goal I'm dreaming of.
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 2, 2013 18:58:13 GMT
Even without the nose, she looks a little different; I think it's mostly the swept-back hair. It's a perfectly logical look from her normal appearance, but her hair is almost never swept back this far, so it throws things off a little.
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 2, 2013 19:06:35 GMT
Also, anybody else think the attacking monster looks vaguely like a Yeti? I think it's the hairy forearms that suggest that.
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Post by Per on Oct 2, 2013 20:32:17 GMT
I guess she's trusting that Coyote and Ysengrin wouldn't put her in too dangerous a position? Otherwise, standing up like this to an oncoming human-crushing thing seems unwise, fire or no fire.
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Post by Weeaboo on Oct 2, 2013 23:12:26 GMT
I like to think that Annie burned of the fur from that monster's fingers. I think she did. |
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Post by eskhn on Oct 3, 2013 1:52:58 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2013 2:01:34 GMT
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Post by eskhn on Oct 3, 2013 2:17:56 GMT
Then again, if we're in for an epic showdown, we'll be needing music to match.
Also, the middle panel would make the best wallpaper if it was in higher res.
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Post by zirka on Oct 3, 2013 2:35:37 GMT
It's a good change. That shadow wasn't quite working. I loved the page already, and am pleasantly surprised Tom took that extra effort to make it that much closer to godlike perfection. He takes his job so seriously, it's sweet. Where's that donation button...
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Post by carasanathema on Oct 3, 2013 3:46:23 GMT
I'm having a hard time believing people are spending this much time criticizing the length and style of a character's nose. This is an awesome moment of Antimony coming into her powers in a controlled, beneficial way, facing off against a monster she was cowering away from moments ago, and people are focused on the length of her nostril? Calling it a "big old Jew nose"?! But now it's all small, pretty, and perfect, so everything is fine. What is with people's inability to see things beyond something like that, or Y's "It's a cute widdle smiley face!" muzzle, to the point that they'll harp on it until the author has to change it to get people to focus on the story again? I hope Tom is ultra patient with all this, considering that after thousands of pieces of work he's done to create a beautiful comic with an engaging story, people can only nitpick every little detail. Yes, I'm aware that she looked different from before, but why, why, why is this what people are so hung up on?
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Post by The Anarch on Oct 3, 2013 3:50:49 GMT
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Post by htown on Oct 3, 2013 5:17:21 GMT
My first thought when I saw all the commotion about the nose was "guys relax, when we started out, her head was the shape of a clam"
And then I saw the before-final pictures.
And I was like OH OK. That's reasonable.
But I want to point out something: our first instinct is to identify what we think is a flaw as such- "oh he should have drawn it this way" or "no no, that looks weird"
But it really should be:
1. to think "in what ways could that have been intentional?" it's art. For centuries, artists have painted things with embellishment, warped things to convey a deeper meaning. although this wasn't the case with this instance, Tom has used unique perspectives, "fishbowl" views, and non-realistic proportions before. The best example of this is in fire spike, when Annie freaks out and runs away to the forest and all the buildings are all twisty and stuff. One of my favorite parts of the story. (I even wrote and posted some music to narrate it)
Also we need to think:
2. Tom draws. a lot. I'd guess - just about every day. And yet, this is one of the best comics on the web as far as I'm concerned. If we're gonna be constructively critical, be sure we are being supportive, too. I've had confidence issues for years, and I don't know about Tom, but it sucks when your work is genuinely awesome and all you get is criticism. (Come to think of it, how could Tom possibly have confidence issues with how great of an artist and writer he is, really?)
Sorry for the long post. I don't even have any potatoes, either. :\
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Post by htown on Oct 3, 2013 5:33:03 GMT
It's a good change. That shadow wasn't quite working. I loved the page already, and am pleasantly surprised Tom took that extra effort to make it that much closer to godlike perfection. He takes his job so seriously, it's sweet. Where's that donation button... VERY well put, zirka. and I'm referring to the suggestion made in the last few lines. So delicately put, yet its the most convincing sentence I have read all day. You made a question convincing. wow. Where IS that donation button... |
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Post by arf on Oct 3, 2013 7:44:52 GMT
"in what ways could that have been intentional?" I understand your points. I suspect Tom is bringing out Annie's fire elemental ancestry when she goes flambe. As to criticism... that is a fair point. I know I tend to harp on the less positive aspects of a work. My intentions are constructive, but it certainly doesn't hurt to comment the good bits too (after all, being told 'this really worked' is just as useful as 'that was rubbish, because...') Unfortunately, it is human nature to gag on the little bits that mar an otherwise pleasant experience. The nose being the case in point. Tom *might* have had a reason for it*, but the general reaction was 'that's not really Annie!?' *As it happens, I was looking at an earlier chapter, 'Divine'**, and was struck by Zimmy's proboscis. You know how Zimmy tends to blend into Annie on occasion? I was wondering if the opposite might have been the case now. Not sure why that would be happening, though. ** That chapter also has a slightly odd rendering of a character: Gamma without black lipstick ( panel 2). I suppose everyone was still too stunned from the revelation of Kat's angelic appearance to quibble. |
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Post by meltea on Oct 3, 2013 8:27:59 GMT
I'm having a hard time believing people are spending this much time criticizing the length and style of a character's nose. This is an awesome moment of Antimony coming into her powers in a controlled, beneficial way, facing off against a monster she was cowering away from moments ago, and people are focused on the length of her nostril? Calling it a "big old Jew nose"?! But now it's all small, pretty, and perfect, so everything is fine. What is with people's inability to see things beyond something like that, or Y's "It's a cute widdle smiley face!" muzzle, to the point that they'll harp on it until the author has to change it to get people to focus on the story again? I hope Tom is ultra patient with all this, considering that after thousands of pieces of work he's done to create a beautiful comic with an engaging story, people can only nitpick every little detail. Yes, I'm aware that she looked different from before, but why, why, why is this what people are so hung up on? If I wanted to be snarky I would say 'welcome to the internet'. I don't know, seems pretty much like human nature to criticise, in this case I would have to say it was a valid constructive criticism, which did improve the awesomnes that is 1257. |
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Post by todd on Oct 3, 2013 10:49:07 GMT
I'm having a hard time believing people are spending this much time criticizing the length and style of a character's nose. This is an awesome moment of Antimony coming into her powers in a controlled, beneficial way, facing off against a monster she was cowering away from moments ago, and people are focused on the length of her nostril? Calling it a "big old Jew nose"?! But now it's all small, pretty, and perfect, so everything is fine. What is with people's inability to see things beyond something like that, or Y's "It's a cute widdle smiley face!" muzzle, to the point that they'll harp on it until the author has to change it to get people to focus on the story again? I hope Tom is ultra patient with all this, considering that after thousands of pieces of work he's done to create a beautiful comic with an engaging story, people can only nitpick every little detail. Yes, I'm aware that she looked different from before, but why, why, why is this what people are so hung up on? I'd say that people get distracted by the details beyond mere nitpicking. Usually, if Tom includes a pop culture reference, a sight gag, a cameo by someone like Boxbot, or anything minor like that on a page, most of the comments will revolve around that rather than on the next step in the story. (Of course, those often turn up on pages where the story's still just getting started and there haven't been any big surprises, so that the readers are more easily distracted by the side details. |
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 3, 2013 11:06:44 GMT
Plot is expected. Details are shiny!
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 3, 2013 11:43:23 GMT
Wild guess: the nose wasn't a mistake, it was turning into a beak, because Annie assumes her Phoenix form "for realsies".  |
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Post by snipertom on Oct 3, 2013 13:55:00 GMT
I do think there is a genuine issue with proportionality in this comic compared with what we know of the shape of her face. Her brow does not recede, her nose is slightly upturned and small, her chin recedes slightly and her face in general is relatively flat without very pronounced cheekbones. The profile shot in this page is very different from previous profiles- the forehead is receding, the nose is turned down slightly with bigger nostrils and is bigger overall (even in the new vsn), the chin protrudes a bit. It doesn't really look all that much like Annie to me
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that's one of the main reasons it's so unique among webcomics.
