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Post by Corvo on Sept 10, 2013 19:36:06 GMT
Then SB tries to kill Annie. Before we know it, they are BFFs.
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Post by warrl on Sept 10, 2013 23:36:46 GMT
How can the Court continue growing, with the Seed Bismuth in the Forest? Well, that's easy. In fact there are two obvious possible explanations: one that is strictly real-world factual, and one that I think fits better with the feel of the Gunnerverse. Factual one: You need a seed to *start* the crystal growing. Once it's started, any sufficiently-large fragment of it will serve as the seed for further growth. So removing the original seed (assuming you can identify it and get to it) is not an issue. Fits-the-feel one: the Seed Bismuth is still in the Court, because the entire Forest is in the Court - and the entire Court is in the Forest. They are two contiguous areas that jointly cover the surface of a klein bottle. |
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Post by Thoth on Sept 11, 2013 0:40:18 GMT
Hm... A lot of people on this thread seem to be hastily assuming that if the Seed Bismuth is a sentient entity in these ruins, then it is not in the Court. But this is not necessarily true. If this being is telling the truth, then it sounds like what we're seeing is just the visible portion of a spirit distributed across the entire ruins. This implies that the spirit is in the buildings themselves -which in turn implies that the buildings in the Court have the potential to host a similar collective spirit. So, here's my hypothesis: what we're seeing now is but one shard of a shattered spirit. This spirit belongs to both the Court and the Forest together, and not to either one individually. As mentioned before, it's a broken, ailing spirit; it has a gaping wound in its heart called the Annan Waters. And thus we are introduced to the most important character in Gunnerkrigg Court. |
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Post by forestflight on Sept 11, 2013 1:47:46 GMT
Delurking to say… This chapter is going to be some serious bismuth.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 11, 2013 3:35:17 GMT
Not sure where to post this, but anyone else find that the main website is down?
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Post by Señor Goose on Sept 11, 2013 4:32:36 GMT
Not sure where to post this, but anyone else find that the main website is down? Yes! I'm having the same problem. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Sept 11, 2013 4:35:00 GMT
Fits-the-feel one: the Seed Bismuth is still in the Court, because the entire Forest is in the Court - and the entire Court is in the Forest. They are two contiguous areas that jointly cover the surface of a klein bottle. A Klein Bottle? I like it. A sort of pocket dimension within Great Britain. That would explain why it doesn't exist in this world. |
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Post by Per on Sept 11, 2013 10:31:05 GMT
Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Hetty and this alleged Seed Bismuth at the same time? |
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Post by Søren on Sept 11, 2013 16:51:52 GMT
Fits-the-feel one: the Seed Bismuth is still in the Court, because the entire Forest is in the Court - and the entire Court is in the Forest. They are two contiguous areas that jointly cover the surface of a klein bottle. A Klein Bottle? I like it. A sort of pocket dimension within Great Britain. That would explain why it doesn't exist in this world. I wonder where the magic closet/platform 9 3/4ths would be to get in. Perhaps you just have to get lost in a British forest after imbibing too much. |
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Post by cannister on Sept 11, 2013 17:11:44 GMT
I wonder how the SB types with those boxing gloves on.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Sept 11, 2013 22:20:38 GMT
An... angel, you say? Hmmm! Okay but does anyone remember when Kat talked about growing buildings?  ? She said that. I don't know where but she did. In the chapter where she found City Face I believe. Oh! She did! |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 11, 2013 22:42:58 GMT
I wonder how the SB types with those boxing gloves on. Hunt and peck with the extraneous tendrils? Nose? ...toes? |
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Post by snipertom on Sept 12, 2013 0:43:53 GMT
I wonder how the SB types with those boxing gloves on. Especially when replying to emails |
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Post by minced on Sept 12, 2013 3:39:58 GMT
More baseless speculation here.
I always wondered why the Court needed Jeanne to guard the Annan waters. Who was she guarding it from, anyway? Coyote had promised not to interfere with the Court and the forest animals would already have been dissuaded by, I dunno, the giant freaking canyon?
What if Jeanne was placed to ward off the Seed Bismuth? It would make sense that the Court needed a spirit to ward against another spirit.
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 12, 2013 20:07:36 GMT
More baseless speculation here. I always wondered why the Court needed Jeanne to guard the Annan waters. Who was she guarding it from, anyway? Coyote had promised not to interfere with the Court and the forest animals would already have been dissuaded by, I dunno, the giant freaking canyon? What if Jeanne was placed to ward off the Seed Bismuth? It would make sense that the Court needed a spirit to ward against another spirit. I think the Jeanne plan was to create an additional barrier beyond merely physical. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 13, 2013 3:16:36 GMT
My impression was that Jeanne was put in place to assuage fear, without much concern about whether there was a reasonable basis for that fear.
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Post by todd on Sept 13, 2013 10:31:38 GMT
My impression was that Jeanne was put in place to assuage fear, without much concern about whether there was a reasonable basis for that fear. Except that since the Founders kept her a secret (to the point of erasing her from the Court's records, "1984"-style), the amount of people whose fears would be assuaged couldn't be very large. I wonder if Diego simply duped the rest of the Founders into thinking that the situation was extreme enough that only a guardian like Jeanne could keep the Court safe, since it provided him with the way to get revenge on her without being tried and convicted for murder - make the magistrates your accomplices in carrying out the murder. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 13, 2013 12:46:59 GMT
My impression was that Jeanne was put in place to assuage fear, without much concern about whether there was a reasonable basis for that fear. Except that since the Founders kept her a secret (to the point of erasing her from the Court's records, "1984"-style), the amount of people whose fears would be assuaged couldn't be very large. I wonder if Diego simply duped the rest of the Founders into thinking that the situation was extreme enough that only a guardian like Jeanne could keep the Court safe, since it provided him with the way to get revenge on her without being tried and convicted for murder - make the magistrates your accomplices in carrying out the murder. The revenge being all the more sweet as it also implied murdering her lover, for the sake of common good, of course. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 13, 2013 22:36:41 GMT
My impression was that Jeanne was put in place to assuage fear, without much concern about whether there was a reasonable basis for that fear. Except that since the Founders kept her a secret (to the point of erasing her from the Court's records, "1984"-style), the amount of people whose fears would be assuaged couldn't be very large. THEIRS. What, did someone else matter? (This, more than anything else, convinces me that in D&D their alignment would be Neutral Evil.) Definitely a possibility. |
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Post by Stately Buff Cookie on Sept 14, 2013 0:05:24 GMT
Diego blames them for forcing such extreme measures, though.
Then again, he could be so deluded that he'd trigger his revenge plot and shift blame mentally to them.
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Post by smjjames on Sept 16, 2013 7:07:31 GMT
I wonder how the SB types with those boxing gloves on. Hunt and peck with the extraneous tendrils? Nose? ...toes? What boxing gloves? Also I thought those tendrils were wings, some of them anyway. |
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Post by kagredon on Sept 16, 2013 9:50:40 GMT
What boxing gloves? Also I thought those tendrils were wings, some of them anyway. ( psst) |
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