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Post by csj on Jul 29, 2013 17:42:33 GMT
For the humor-deprived, Barbie = the doll as well as a form of cooking For the Australia-deprived, we don't grill shrimp on the barbie. They're prawns. Not to be confused with yabbies, or explicit adult material. Say it with me; prawns. Don't dismember our lingo. I wonder how Hetty will copepod with this fiery encounter. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 29, 2013 17:54:07 GMT
Hopefully nothing with eyes turns up in the next scene. I can't remember if the rule about an object needing eyes, be they real or not, in order to be possessed is only for Reynard. If not, then would the eye of a needle count or is that stretching things? Tom specifically said that Rey could possess something with metaphorical eyes, like a needle or a potato. We don't know if Hetty is restricted by the "anything with eyes" rule, but it's a reasonable assumption since she left the doll via its eyes in a manner reminiscent of Rey exiting Sivo via the eyes. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 29, 2013 18:52:04 GMT
For the humor-deprived, Barbie = the doll as well as a form of cooking For the Australia-deprived, we don't grill shrimp on the barbie. They're prawns. You wot m8? These are prawns.  I can't remember if the rule about an object needing eyes, be they real or not, in order to be possessed is only for Reynard. If not, then would the eye of a needle count or is that stretching things? Tom specifically said that Rey could possess something with metaphorical eyes, like a needle or a potato. We don't know if Hetty is restricted by the "anything with eyes" rule, but it's a reasonable assumption since she left the doll via its eyes in a manner reminiscent of Rey exiting Sivo via the eyes. I wonder what the context for this type of being is. Does everyone have this soul-like energy that embodies their consciousness, or is it only gods like Coyote and Reynard, and special gifted people like Annie? If so, where did Hetty's originate? Is this a Chucky story in the offing? |
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Post by peppypangolin on Jul 29, 2013 19:53:31 GMT
I wonder how Hetty will copepod with this fiery encounter. Hey! I did that one already! Huh. So that's why Hetty was always so crabby. How will she copepod with this new development? Reynardine is a stone cold killer. He chucked that match like he just don't carapace. Hetty just got crusta-shunned. OK, I'm done. |
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Post by smjjames on Jul 29, 2013 20:07:24 GMT
According to Coyote, once he grants a power to someone, he himself can't use that power Huh? When did he say that? Can I have a link to the page? I don't remember where (though I think I know where it night be, during one of annies trips to the forest) but Coyote himself said that when he loans a power to someone, he no longer has access to that power. Though I assume he can maybe take it back at any time. |
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Post by ahriman on Jul 29, 2013 21:05:05 GMT
I'm concerned she'll find another vessel in the next couple pages. My thoughts exactly. I can't be bothered to find the exact page, but earlier it was mentioned that if Rey could not find another "vessel" soon enough after leaving his old one, he would die. I'm going to assume the same rules apply to Hetty. Possessing Annie's doll was an act of desperation, wasn't it? How is Hetty able to do this anyway? Was she gifted powers by Coyote as well? If that were true, then she would be under the same limitations as Rey. But if someone else is responsible for her powers then all bets are off. I have my doubts though, because if she were able to leave her vessel at will in the same manner that Rey is able, she would have possessed and killed the boy she has been tormenting long ago. Especially as she hates her current form so much... Even a fragile human would be a better option, wouldn't it? Seeing as there are no other viable objects to possess, I think Hetty is as good as dead. Unless she is desperate enough to possess a box of matches. Or... *gasp* - steal Rey's vessel! |
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Post by SerenaJo on Jul 29, 2013 21:42:32 GMT
Wild speculation: Adam's father is a fisherman/cook and Hetty jumped into his sister's doll as a last resort before being cooked. Though you'd think such a creature would manage not to get caught in the first place. As far as how she could do it, maybe lots of arthropods have that ability? We've seen Lindsey and Bud do some weird etheric stuff.
Aaanyway, not sure how I feel about her dying yet (if she does) and what this means for Renard.
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Post by Lightice on Jul 29, 2013 22:01:21 GMT
Huh? When did he say that? Can I have a link to the page? I don't remember where (though I think I know where it night be, during one of annies trips to the forest) but Coyote himself said that when he loans a power to someone, he no longer has access to that power. Though I assume he can maybe take it back at any time. It's not on any page. It's something that Tom confirmed through Formspring. Coyote indeed doesn't share powers, he gives them away unless he chooses to take them back at a later date. |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jul 29, 2013 23:05:13 GMT
Whoa! Shrimp spirit, thing..... Or krill, if that's what it's supposed to be. Anywaaays, any theory's on how the heck a shrimp spirit/ghost got imprisioned into the doll? We were all thinking it was maybe a human spirit trapped in there, this was totally unexpected. I never said I thought it was a human spirit, just a spirit of a being from the etherial side of things. What I want to know is if she could take over Renard's body, or if Renard is the one with the stealing power while her spirit would have to be put into things. It's entirely possible that Hetty does have a similar power, but it almost looks like she was abandoning ship (or abandoning doll as it were) just before the match hit and not after. So if she can leave posessed bodies at will, it brings into question her claim of being trapped. I doubt she would be able to take over an object that is already being possessed and we know renard is pretty strong. Any possible links between the symbol being either phosphorous, oil, or something and the fact that Hetty is some kind of malevolent shrimp spirit? The symbol on Hetty's head looks quite similar to the one for phosphorus, the only difference being that the symbol for phosphorus doesn't have the line bisecting the triangle/pyramid or the three dots above the pyramid. Interestingly the symbol for phosphorus was used to signify "spirit" because early philosophers and alchemists associated light with souls and spirits and phosphorus of course burns the brightest. What I'm curious about is, what if Hetty/Prawnthing never had an original body. What if she has existed for centuries as a free floating spirit. In this case, burning her body and is only setting her free, unless she must be released from the body or die with it. If she is a bug, and she dies soon, does that mean we get another visit from Ketrak? |
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Post by helicopter on Jul 30, 2013 1:23:06 GMT
Is the symbol on Reynardine's head simply the symbol for antimony, or is it antimony and mercury superimposed? (either way, it would look the same) www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=712 (last panel) If it's the latter, it could be the same for Hetty, which would explain why the symbol seems to resemble phosphorous but has some differences. Part could be the symbol for Hetty's spirit, and part could be from the symbol for Adam/his sister. More importantly, reading this page out of any context is pretty much amazing. |
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Post by arf on Jul 30, 2013 2:04:14 GMT
For the humor-deprived, Barbie = the doll as well as a form of cooking For the Australia-deprived, we don't grill shrimp on the barbie. They're prawns. Not to be confused with yabbies, or explicit adult material. Say it with me; prawns. Don't dismember our lingo. I wonder how Hetty will copepod with this fiery encounter. ...stay tuned for the next Masterchef elimination round (may contain traces of Heston Blumenthal, so there's the Gunnerkrigg/English connection right there!) |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 30, 2013 2:12:58 GMT
Right, dare him to do it...
Graaargh!
I guess Renard is fed up with the poor bug's stupidity by now. Oh, well...
By the way, why does this count as "killed"/"exorcised"? Its doll "body" is just a little singed, not really destroyed. And won't be maybe for a minute or more.
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 30, 2013 6:16:07 GMT
Wild speculation: Adam's father is a fisherman/cook and Hetty jumped into his sister's doll as a last resort before being cooked. Though you'd think such a creature would manage not to get caught in the first place. As far as how she could do it, maybe lots of arthropods have that ability? We've seen Lindsey and Bud do some weird etheric stuff. Aaanyway, not sure how I feel about her dying yet (if she does) and what this means for Renard. Wouldn't that be crazy if it became just a random throwaway factoid within the Gunnerkrigg universe? "By the way, all crustaceans have a strong etheric presence, for some reason. Now, on the immortality of the crab..." Wait a minute. |
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Post by lemarc on Jul 30, 2013 8:26:15 GMT
Question: Does anyone know who exactly this Hetty the shrimp is? Could it be based of some sort of myth or just Tom's OC? "Hetty" sounds very similar to "Hitty", the doll protagonist and narrator of a very popular children's book. Hitty was not, to the best of my knowledge, an evil shrimp. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Jul 30, 2013 17:06:23 GMT
Creatures like Hetty, Bob and Lindsey evoke a Lovecraftian sense of the supernatural.
If the Ether and etheric beings are shaped by human perception it is likely the people who concurred with Lovecraft's views on aquatic life led to such creatures. Maybe as a mutation of what was already believed to be in the ocean based on the mythological views of its chaotic, immense and mysterious power.
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Post by dliessmgg on Jul 30, 2013 17:26:32 GMT
I can't remember if the rule about an object needing eyes, be they real or not, in order to be possessed is only for Reynard. If not, then would the eye of a needle count or is that stretching things? Tom specifically said that Rey could possess something with metaphorical eyes, like a needle or a potato. Is that restricted to the English language? Because - as a completely random example - in Norse myth, the sun is occasionally described as Odin's eye. |
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Post by smjjames on Jul 30, 2013 18:37:14 GMT
Creatures like Hetty, Bob and Lindsey evoke a Lovecraftian sense of the supernatural. If the Ether and etheric beings are shaped by human perception it is likely the people who concurred with Lovecraft's views on aquatic life led to such creatures. Maybe as a mutation of what was already believed to be in the ocean based on the mythological views of its chaotic, immense and mysterious power. Hettys appearance as a shrimp doesn't look particularly lovecraftian, though her behavior and 'corrupted doll' appearance does invoke something with a twisted and malevolent mind. We might also include Ketrak as being lovecraftian as he supposedly looks horrific, or maybe he just looks like a particularly creepy insect since he could be a combination of various insect features and lots of legs. Do we know if Ketrak is the psychopomp of all land arthropods or if he only does creatures that are specifically in the class insecta? Tom specifically said that Rey could possess something with metaphorical eyes, like a needle or a potato. Is that restricted to the English language? Because - as a completely random example - in Norse myth, the sun is occasionally described as Odin's eye. Same for the Egyptians as they saw the sun as being the eye of Ra. Maybe it just has to actually look like an eye. |
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Post by exdevlin on Jul 30, 2013 19:42:14 GMT
How many needles could Hetty inhabit at a time, I wonder, if the theory about her going into them next is correct?
I *really* want to do a dub of this chapter now. I can just hear Hetty's crazed/maniacal screech in the last panel.
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Post by sidhekin on Jul 30, 2013 20:07:08 GMT
Now, if she continues her mischief after having possessed a needle ...
So, you thought it was difficult, finding a needle in a haystack?
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Post by Marnath on Jul 30, 2013 21:44:22 GMT
Tom specifically said that Rey could possess something with metaphorical eyes, like a needle or a potato. Is that restricted to the English language? Because - as a completely random example - in Norse myth, the sun is occasionally described as Odin's eye. In all probability the sun is outside the range of such an ability. So far it appears that you have to be pretty close to make the jump, possibly even within melee range. After all, Eglamore saved Annie from Rey simply by taking her to the other end of a warehouse. |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jul 30, 2013 23:05:10 GMT
Is the symbol on Reynardine's head simply the symbol for antimony, or is it antimony and mercury superimposed? (either way, it would look the same) www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=712 (last panel) If it's the latter, it could be the same for Hetty, which would explain why the symbol seems to resemble phosphorous but has some differences. Part could be the symbol for Hetty's spirit, and part could be from the symbol for Adam/his sister. More importantly, reading this page out of any context is pretty much amazing. Renard's symbol is one of the symbols for Antimony I say one of because there are several. The reason for this being that there was no standard language or symbols for all alchemists. There was hardly any agreed upon anything depending on where an alchemist lived. This is part of what makes understanding alchemy today difficult, depending on who's work you're reading they may use a completely different symbol than what you're know of. To make it worse altering a symbol was commonplace depending on the material you're working with. |
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Post by kralex on Jul 31, 2013 7:54:28 GMT
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 31, 2013 12:07:39 GMT
Is the symbol on Reynardine's head simply the symbol for antimony, or is it antimony and mercury superimposed? (either way, it would look the same) www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=712 (last panel) If it's the latter, it could be the same for Hetty, which would explain why the symbol seems to resemble phosphorous but has some differences. Part could be the symbol for Hetty's spirit, and part could be from the symbol for Adam/his sister. More importantly, reading this page out of any context is pretty much amazing. This is very nice speculation, easily worth consideration in our efforts to solve the gunnerkrigg-puzzles. |
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Post by Per on Jul 31, 2013 12:30:01 GMT
In today's strip Reynardine says he wears the symbol with pride, which only makes much sense if he's talking about it as Annie's, while displaying the "simplified" Antimony symbol. This leads me to think Tom has simply drifted towards drawing it in a more stylized way. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Aug 7, 2013 22:34:19 GMT
Creatures like Hetty, Bob and Lindsey evoke a Lovecraftian sense of the supernatural. If the Ether and etheric beings are shaped by human perception it is likely the people who concurred with Lovecraft's views on aquatic life led to such creatures. Maybe as a mutation of what was already believed to be in the ocean based on the mythological views of its chaotic, immense and mysterious power. Hettys appearance as a shrimp doesn't look particularly lovecraftian, though her behavior and 'corrupted doll' appearance does invoke something with a twisted and malevolent mind. We might also include Ketrak as being lovecraftian as he supposedly looks horrific, or maybe he just looks like a particularly creepy insect since he could be a combination of various insect features and lots of legs. Do we know if Ketrak is the psychopomp of all land arthropods or if he only does creatures that are specifically in the class insecta? Well no, like I said, I'm running on the mysterious nature ascribed to the ocean by people. Invertebrates are creepy, aquatic invertebrates even moreso. Some of the monster Lovecraft cooked up played on that (look at Chtulhu). The Kraken was a great and terrible beast that struck fear into the hearts of man, particularly sailors. All I'm saying is that supernatural aquatic looking creatures is right up that alley. |
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