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Post by Cleo on Jul 15, 2013 13:14:26 GMT
This page is the saddest page. I feel absolutely wretched reading it.
So Hetty murdered a child, a child, and is now planning the murder of another and Renard is aiding and abetting that end. I can only hope he sees sense and puts an end to this, he's been far too complicit thus far and for all he knows, Annie could be next on Hetty's little hit-list.
If Adam dies, and Renard does nothing... well... we've heard that one before.
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Post by Per on Jul 15, 2013 13:23:38 GMT
So Hetty murdered a child, a childWell, theoretically the sister could have been in her twenties, which would make it slightly more OK. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 15, 2013 13:25:20 GMT
I don't think we should be so quick, to take Hetty's words as the truth. She's clearly suffering from delusions. Who's to say, she's not suffering from dementia? Perhaps, she's the sister herself, deeply confused. Or worse, she may not know the boy at all, and picks a new one every week. I'm not entirely sure what that would mean, though. Phosphoric acid? Does Hetty have her own brand of cola? Daft Draft?... Bedlam Pop?... Delirium, it's delicious! |
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Post by sidhekin on Jul 15, 2013 13:31:47 GMT
Whew! Either delusional, psychopathic to the point of obliviousness, or both.
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Post by melkior on Jul 15, 2013 13:34:32 GMT
And we get our first close-up and clear look at Hetty's symbol. Definitely "oil" above a combination symbol of "oil essence" and "phosphorus". It remains to be seen what the significance of those symbols is. The person who suggested phosphoric acid may be correct, but I don't know.
It seems clear to me that Adam is an innocent party in all of this and that Hetty is either insane or at minimum borderline psychotic.
Or in other words: What Wanderer said.
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Post by viridianbook on Jul 15, 2013 13:42:16 GMT
do note that phosphorus is associated with Hell - maybe Hetty is a demon? or her master was a witch who forced her to become her familiar?
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Post by kukapetal on Jul 15, 2013 13:42:37 GMT
Wow Renard, she really seems like a keeper. Isn't there a cute Cabbage Patch Doll you could go out with instead?  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 15, 2013 13:48:26 GMT
I agree with those who suspect Hetty is the ghost of or part of the dead sister. I think she liked to play with dolls and was annoyed he wasn't paying enough attention to her, and maybe wrote revenge-fantasy stories about the doll playing tricks on him in her diary... and now her ghost is confused and angry. One of my friend's little sisters was like that though she blogged instead of writing a diary. [She got married a couple years ago, can you believe it? That poor bastard...]
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Post by kayback on Jul 15, 2013 13:48:43 GMT
So are possessed toys a "thing" in the Gunnerkrigg universe? And if so, how come Mr Eglamore didn't think more of it when Renard got into Annies doll?
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Post by coryn11 on Jul 15, 2013 14:35:15 GMT
Long time lurker, First time poster.
I Find it interesting that in the last panel, right next to her symbol, her head/skin is cracked.
At the least its a nice little artistic detail. If it has no meaning.
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Post by Per on Jul 15, 2013 14:41:59 GMT
So are possessed toys a "thing" in the Gunnerkrigg universe? And if so, how come Mr Eglamore didn't think more of it when Renard got into Annies doll? He didn't learn of it until here. |
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Post by Cleo on Jul 15, 2013 14:55:26 GMT
So Hetty murdered a child, a childWell, theoretically the sister could have been in her twenties, which would make it slightly more OK. Ah, I was going to quote the page where she said 'little sister' and realised I got the words jumbled up with 'little tricks'. Maybe this chapter will end up with Renard saying to Adam, "This is Hetty, you have ownership of her. Let her be free and that itch will stop." Then Adam will say, "Yeah, ok. You're free, *scratch, scratch* bye, Hetty." And then this all goes away (sort of, Hetty will be annoyed) but we're left with Renard reevaluating his relationship with Antimony. |
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Post by kayback on Jul 15, 2013 15:03:52 GMT
Per, yeah I know, but now we have another possessed toy? That is why I asked if this was common. If it isn't, what are the chances of it happening twice in such proximity?
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 15, 2013 15:20:21 GMT
You know what would be really creepy? If Hetty had been just an ordinary doll before the sister left it to Adam in her diary, and that somehow bound a part of her soul into it at the moment of her death, but not her actual memories of what happened. Perhaps, she's the sister herself, deeply confused. I agree with those who suspect Hetty is the ghost of or part of the dead sister. I think she liked to play with dolls and was annoyed he wasn't paying enough attention to her, and maybe wrote revenge-fantasy stories about the doll playing tricks on him in her diary... and now her ghost is confused and angry. "Look at him, forgetting all about his dear sister," Hetty says. The rest of the conversation is then about how Adam is neglecting Hetty and doesn't know Hetty exists. I have to agree with y'all . . . while it could be just an oblique of scorning Adam for going on with his life despite his sister's death, it also looks like it might be a subtle hint that Hetty is all or part of the sister herself, trapped and gone crazy, possibly by her own doing. Maybe this chapter will end up with Renard saying to Adam, "This is Hetty, you have ownership of her. Let her be free and that itch will stop." Then Adam will say, "Yeah, ok. You're free, *scratch, scratch* bye, Hetty." And then this all goes away (sort of, Hetty will be annoyed) Given everything revealed about her personality and desires up to this point, "annoyed" may be the least murderous of the things Hetty would be if set free. |
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Post by exuberancium on Jul 15, 2013 15:37:28 GMT
Cruel.
Cruel cruel cruel
This is like Toy Story: The Darkest Timeline
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Post by balzac on Jul 15, 2013 17:19:45 GMT
Well, there goes almost all of my sympathy for Hetty. (Still an enslaved being, but.... whoa killing children not a good response)
I'm suddenly glad that Reynardine has all of the murder weapons somewhere inside him. He's not going to actually give them to her now. Right? Right?
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Post by atteSmythe on Jul 15, 2013 18:01:37 GMT
"Look at him, forgetting all about his dear sister," Hetty says. The rest of the conversation is then about how Adam is neglecting Hetty and doesn't know Hetty exists. I have to agree with y'all . . . while it could be just an oblique of scorning Adam for going on with his life despite his sister's death, it also looks like it might be a subtle hint that Hetty is all or part of the sister herself, trapped and gone crazy, possibly by her own doing. If so, this chapter may end with Annie having to assist in the first crossing we've seen her have to handle in a while. |
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Post by Toloc on Jul 15, 2013 18:09:20 GMT
This is like Toy Story: The Darkest Timeline ... Is that one of those things I do not want to google? I agree with those who suspect Hetty is the ghost of or part of the dead sister. I think she liked to play with dolls and was annoyed he wasn't paying enough attention to her, and maybe wrote revenge-fantasy stories about the doll playing tricks on him in her diary... and now her ghost is confused and angry. One of my friend's little sisters was like that though she blogged instead of writing a diary. [She got married a couple years ago, can you believe it? That poor bastard...] I thought that too while reading the page, but the whole "secretly left my contract of ownership" thing kinda nixed the idea for me. Although it is still possible. The phrasing is vague and as it has been pointed out, Hetty's delusional. She seems really pissed that Adam isn't mourning his sister more. He's what? ten? It's kinda hard to say. He is the "little brother" of a girl who has both had a porcelain doll and writes a diary, both usually associated with younger girls. It'd be possible that the whole thing went down years ago. Depending on if she actually is his sister or not, that would be either extremely tragic and sad or incredibly disturbing. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 15, 2013 19:28:02 GMT
The comment on the bottom of the page cinched it for me. If Hetty is an evil bride-of-Chucky who likes to torment people before she kills them, then I'd figure other people in the family would have noticed "problems" before the sister died if Hetty killed her or not. Hetty hasn't been demonstrating a lot of patience over the last several comics. Also the contract stuff as Hetty describes it doesn't seem to make any sense; I've got a lot of questions that would require twisty circumstances as answers, if it's really anything like Renard's contract.
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Post by Per on Jul 15, 2013 19:45:05 GMT
Per, yeah I know, but now we have another possessed toy? That is why I asked if this was common. If it isn't, what are the chances of it happening twice in such proximity? I'd guess part of the idea behind this chapter is to show control-through-ownership being a thing in the GCverse (and manifesting in a different way for our morbid amusement), and not (just) a story convenience for attaching Reynardine to Antimony. Probably it's not an everyday occurrence, nor rare enough that the plot powers couldn't locate one instance nearby. |
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Post by SerenaJo on Jul 15, 2013 19:47:59 GMT
I like the idea of Hetty being his sister. It certainly makes for the best possible outcome (her crossing over without having seriously injured anyone). Buuut I don't think it's likely. She's rationalizing her actions for her ultimate goal of getting a powerful body, and trying to cast herself in a positive light so Renard will help. The "look at him forgetting about his sister!" comment is probably just part of that. Also, that 6th panel is just awful.  Poor Adam. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 15, 2013 19:48:23 GMT
I thought that too while reading the page, but the whole "secretly left my contract of ownership" thing kinda nixed the idea for me. My theory still covers that bit of dialogue. It's possible that Hetty was just an ordinary doll that Adam's sister left for him when she knew she was dying and that somehow became the contract that ties the soul jar doll to the boy. It would also explain why Hetty would insist that Adam has tormented her even though he doesn't know of her existence; what siblings get along all the time, after all? |
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Post by Cleo on Jul 15, 2013 20:15:13 GMT
Maybe this chapter will end up with Renard saying to Adam, "This is Hetty, you have ownership of her. Let her be free and that itch will stop." Then Adam will say, "Yeah, ok. You're free, *scratch, scratch* bye, Hetty." And then this all goes away (sort of, Hetty will be annoyed) Given everything revealed about her personality and desires up to this point, "annoyed" may be the least murderous of the things Hetty would be if set free. I shall therefore upgrade 'annoyed' to 'peeved'  Cruel. Cruel cruel cruel This is like Toy Story: The Darkest Timeline  *secret handshakes you* |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 15, 2013 21:12:43 GMT
Well, yeah. For all this to make sense, either the situation should be a complete mess, or Hetty's head. My bet is on "both", of course. Also... Suddenly the tradition of packing most of the personal belongings together with the deceased starts to make sense, doesn't it?  |
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Post by Max on Jul 15, 2013 21:29:39 GMT
It's possible that the boy knows of the doll's existence and doesn't treat it well (e.g. leaving it on the floor, scratching the porcelain, etc), but is not aware of the existence of Hetty's spirit.
I also like the theory that she is somehow the spirit of his sister.
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Post by keef on Jul 15, 2013 21:41:19 GMT
Long time lurker, First time poster. I Find it interesting that in the last panel, right next to her symbol, her head/skin is cracked. At the least its a nice little artistic detail. If it has no meaning. Welcome to the forum! Everything has a meaning in this comic  If she is an old doll,a lot of girls will heave played with her pretending or believing she is a real person. According to Coyote she might then come to life. OK wild guess.. |
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Post by zaferion on Jul 15, 2013 22:20:28 GMT
Long time lurker, First time poster. I Find it interesting that in the last panel, right next to her symbol, her head/skin is cracked. At the least its a nice little artistic detail. If it has no meaning. It means something. Her face is more colorless than before and we can see her symbol now plus her porcelain is cracking, so my bet is Renard's not the only one with two different forms and that Hetty's about to show us hers. But the question is: do we have to show her ours? |
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Post by Søren on Jul 15, 2013 22:21:30 GMT
Long time lurker, First time poster. I Find it interesting that in the last panel, right next to her symbol, her head/skin is cracked. At the least its a nice little artistic detail. If it has no meaning. Welcome to the forum! Everything has a meaning in this comic If she is an old doll,a lot of girls will heave played with her pretending or believing she is a real person. According to Coyote she might then come to life. OK wild guess.. The cracks make sense considering that the story it is drawn from is subtitled "Her First Hundred Years". |
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Post by Marnath on Jul 15, 2013 22:46:26 GMT
So Hetty murdered a child, a childWell, theoretically the sister could have been in her twenties, which would make it slightly more OK. Young enough that she thought leaving her doll to her brother was a good idea and something he could want. So I have trouble believing she was older than a child. |
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Post by zaferion on Jul 15, 2013 23:10:07 GMT
Well, theoretically the sister could have been in her twenties, which would make it slightly more OK. Young enough that she thought leaving her doll to her brother was a good idea and something he could want. So I have trouble believing she was older than a child. But if she knew Hetty was a demon in porcelain clothing, surely she would make sure to leave her to someone else. |
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Poor Adam.
*secret handshakes you* 
If she is an old doll,a lot of girls will heave played with her pretending or believing she is a real person. According to Coyote she might then come to life. OK wild guess.. 
