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Post by snipertom on Jun 17, 2013 5:26:38 GMT
I like the internal crosslinks (plus I think it was necessary)! there is a way to simulate similar behaviour using jquery that would mean that you scroll down so the topscroll doesn't obscure it but i don't think it adds any advantages, only disadvantages of speed by using jq instead of what you've done.
I'll adjust the topscroll a little today to make it a bit more visible and clear; just needs to be a little longer and I think i'll change its colour too.
to make the js and css work, we just need to preserve the classes/ids attached to the tags.
in terms of changing to description lists, it could definitely work though does it bring any advantages? I'm neutral either way.
apparently according to GK Sierra, there's only 2 admins on the board in regards to pinning topics. but yes, we could start a new topic anyway that just announces updates?
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 17, 2013 6:48:24 GMT
Topscroll: yes it could do with a slightly more distinctive colour.
The point of description lists is just to use appropriate html structures.
Unfortunately after a quick trial it isn’t immediately obvious to me how to preserve the essential part of the relationship of the classes tags and tag, as the name dt and description dd elements relationship differs from that of para/span. It would probably need another class and some tweaking of the .js to accommodate. The game is not worth the candle, I’d say, unless I find a more compelling reason to use description lists. Pity.
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Post by snipertom on Jun 17, 2013 7:14:37 GMT
Just out of interest, when *do* you use description lists?
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 17, 2013 7:29:10 GMT
When you've a list of Item / Description pairs? The tags list is pretty much exactly the thing.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 17, 2013 7:34:43 GMT
apparently according to GK Sierra, there's only 2 admins on the board in regards to pinning topics. but yes, we could start a new topic anyway that just announces updates? Only one really. If my2k is still here, she doesn't moderate or post anymore. You could always PM/e-mail Tom about a sticky. I would personally avoid two topics, though, and just post the announcements in this thread. It gets confusing, and the front page only holds a limited number of threads. |
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 17, 2013 8:06:08 GMT
Ok, while we're reasonably active in this topic a pinned/announce would probably be an unnecessary duplication. And if we're not active neither this nor a pinned announce would get updated. A dead pinned topic is just an embarrassment.
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Post by philman on Jun 17, 2013 8:19:36 GMT
As long as the opening post of this topic contains all the relevant information about the searchable list, I guess a second topic isn't really needed as a new person can just open the first page and get it all right away. And to be fair, once this is complete and all done, surely this topic will go dead at some point, even if it's only once all the tagging and perfecting has been done! Anyway, this thread seems to have devolved into coding talk too complicated for me now anyway  However much I'd like to be able to code, it's all just words to me |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 17, 2013 8:21:00 GMT
Another option is the Fan Forum. Nobody uses it, so you could easily stay bumped forever with minimal effort.
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Post by philman on Jun 17, 2013 8:22:23 GMT
Another option is the Fan Forum. Nobody uses it, so you could easily stay bumped forever with minimal effort. There is a second forum? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 17, 2013 8:24:47 GMT
Another option is the Fan Forum. Nobody uses it, so you could easily stay bumped forever with minimal effort. There is a second forum? Yep. Right below discussion. It's been dead for months. |
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Post by philman on Jun 17, 2013 8:33:01 GMT
Yep. Right below discussion. It's been dead for months. Oh, that thing, Ghost town. I had a look there once but thought I saw a psychopomp peeking out from behind an abandoned thread and didn't want to tempt fate. |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 17, 2013 10:01:04 GMT
Yep. Right below discussion. It's been dead for months. Oh, that thing, Ghost town. I had a look there once but thought I saw a psychopomp peeking out from behind an abandoned thread and didn't want to tempt fate. ...it was a Moddey Dhoo wasn't it? |
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 17, 2013 16:32:22 GMT
Quick, tag it before it gets away!
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Post by philman on Jun 17, 2013 18:40:43 GMT
Quick, tag it before it gets away! I tried, but misspelled Psycsopomp and now he's strutting around with a unique tag on his back like he's the king of the afterlife. |
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Post by philman on Jun 17, 2013 22:28:02 GMT
Ch 19 done, I notice you've half done Ch 17 snipergirl, but it's the last half a chapter... sitting there so invitingly... I'm going to start fillin in the rest, if you come back and have already done it or want to do it then I'll stop  Actually, scratch that, it's half eleven and I'm tired, if it's still not done tomorrow night tho! |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 2:58:59 GMT
OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 3:11:06 GMT
I propose that we list here which chapters we tagged and then split the 2nd pass by the chapters we haven't do.
I did Chapters 2-18.
(BTW obviously we're all free to take a bit of a break now!)
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 18, 2013 6:19:17 GMT
W00t!
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Post by philman on Jun 18, 2013 7:17:45 GMT
Whoo! \o/
From todo file in github:
I've done Ch 19-31 plus both CityFaces.
Also just had a look at the TagHelper for the first time, that's going to be useful! Does it edit the index file if you edit the tag list on the browser page? or do you still have to manually enter it in the text file?
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 9:13:46 GMT
Whoo! \o/ From todo file in github: I've done Ch 19-31 plus both CityFaces. Also just had a look at the TagHelper for the first time, that's going to be useful! Does it edit the index file if you edit the tag list on the browser page? or do you still have to manually enter it in the text file? At the moment you still have to manually enter it; currently working on it giving you a list of the most recent tags you've used as well; and saving, which would be the most useful thing I think. Obviously I'll be testing it like crazy before I commit the saving thing. |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 9:39:17 GMT
Time for a moderately distracting animated gif!  |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 9:40:02 GMT
OK so what I'm doing at the moment is doing some of the internal linking stuff on the tags. Feel free to join in!
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Post by philman on Jun 18, 2013 10:25:21 GMT
Might join in this evening, I want to go over the alltags list and condense it a bit too, there are a load of duplicate ones ('Tears' and 'Crying' for example), and ones which I don't really think deserve to be there (do we really need every non-named ThisGuy or ThatGuy in Red's class to have a tag?)
If we make changes like that, should we say in the thread what we've done, in case others disagree?
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Post by snipertom on Jun 18, 2013 10:41:42 GMT
I think it's worth us discussing the tags that seem unnecessary (like the red's class students and the different black dogs) before deleting them. I do agree that not all of them seem necessary. Sometimes it's hard to work out what Tom is going to keep and what he isn't (apparently he has names for ALL the characters even the ones that never say anything like Becky Ground!) so I think we need to work out some sort of 'just in case' backup for some of the deleted tags.
However 'tears' and 'crying' and things that are obviously synonyms or just versions of each other (eg 'psychopomp' and 'psychopomps' or 'tree' and 'trees') should definitely just be merged IMHO.
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 18, 2013 17:14:04 GMT
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Post by philman on Jun 18, 2013 17:42:07 GMT
I think it's worth us discussing the tags that seem unnecessary (like the red's class students and the different black dogs) before deleting them. I do agree that not all of them seem necessary. Sometimes it's hard to work out what Tom is going to keep and what he isn't (apparently he has names for ALL the characters even the ones that never say anything like Becky Ground!) so I think we need to work out some sort of 'just in case' backup for some of the deleted tags. However 'tears' and 'crying' and things that are obviously synonyms or just versions of each other (eg 'psychopomp' and 'psychopomps' or 'tree' and 'trees') should definitely just be merged IMHO. If they are named, and in the comic, then I think they should be there. If they are unnamed, and appear, but don't seem to do anything notable, then maybe store in the mind for now but not worth creating a tag for. I saw a few recognisable security guards when tagging the Spring Heeled Jack chapters, and went back and re-tagged them when Jones referred to them by name 10-20 pages later. If they appear once, but don't seem important, we can always go back and re-tag later if they subsequently become important. Like Bob for example, appeared in the cherry tree chapter, but not named or thought to be important for a long time afterwards. I was re-reading the other day and noticed him appear uncredited in the first scene we meet Coyote, sniggering at Ysengrin's 'terrifying powers of gardening' which I subsequently went into the index file and tagged even though that chapter had already been done, I guess the origional tagger didn't recognise him. going back and noticing things we didn't see the first time is fine! With regard to the black dogs, they were named, but only in an educational sense, other than Mohddy Dhoo (sp??) they didn't actually appear in the comic. But I think it would be worth putting them in Mohddy Dhoo's description. And Red's classmates, by definition they don't have names yet! Apart from the teacher. Maybe a generic tag covering all of them? Except for Blue, who has several more story points she has been involved in than the others. Just my thoughts and opinions anyway, feel free to criticise or discuss! |
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 18, 2013 18:51:17 GMT
Yep, agree with that - I don't think adding missed tags, whether simple omission or missed significance, is in any way contentious. Deletions and Merges need a little more thought in some cases Do we really need to delete one-shot tags? What do they cost us? Though the black dogs don‘t appear in the main story track they are “in the comic” and I think snipergirl’s mission brief was we were to tag everything that didn’t get away first (Personally I probably would not have tagged the black dogs on the bonus page as they don't yet act in the story, but now they are done…)* Singular vs Plural tags - yes, merge them. Tears/Crying - I think this one needs a bit of thought. I added Tears when I didn't spot Crying, but I didn’t switch later because I think there are two different things here: in essence, Tears the noun and Crying the verb - there are cases in the comic where there are tears visible in a character’s eyes, but they are not actually sobbing: p1153 for example. Likely, anywhere someone is Crying a Tears tag is almost certainly also needed, but the reverse is very much not true. If you want just one tag to cover both cases I’d go, pedantically perhaps, for Tears as the more general tag. That leads me on to really General, vs Single, cases. For example: any page Muut, Moddey Dhoo, Ketrak, et al** appear in should also be tagged with Psychopomp(s). We might want to think about what other general tags to use, as we’re likely to have to go through adding them so it’d be good to have an agreed list, but mainly so we don't go mad inventing ever wider tags (SchoolGirls would tag a lot of pages!). I’m a bit unsure now about the Robots tag because they are so frequent an occurrence, but I can quite see someone looking for “that page with the robots on it”. [* later thought: page weight and performance may be a consideration in the argument for thinning one-off tags?] [** And maybe Annie herself in one scene…] |
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Post by philman on Jun 18, 2013 20:42:40 GMT
I never said we should delete all one shot tags, I just think that alot of them aren't things people will search for. But I guess having them there makes it easier to search for unrelated things such as 'dogs' and find a list of dogs in the comics (treedog, mohddydhoo, etc). I guess can keep them for now, but need to make sure they are all internally linked with the correct keywords!
With Tears/Crying I see what you are saying with the noun/verb thing, but on that page you linked Annie is still crying, she is just trying to hide it. You don't get one without the other unless they have just stopped crying, in which case both tags would probably still be applicable as we'd be seeing the resolution after the crying. If that makes sense? I don't think many people will distinguish between the two if searching anyway, if they find one they'd assume it works for both. I'd lean towards Tears as an overall tag too, although obviously put crying in the description so a search still leads there.
Another merge suggestion: Employees and Teachers being merged into a single 'Staff' catagory? I think Employees is a bit vague anyway, what employees have we seen other than teachers and security guards?
I agree about general tags, we probably need a few more of them, types of people might make sense (We already have Psychopomps, Students, Teachers, Employees). Robots makes sense, even if it is common, as might a tag for animals or creatures, real or mythical. Schoolgirls would be a bit too wide though. This comes back to the categorising of tags though, if we have general 'theme' tags this could get long!
Also while I'm writing, I was never entirely sure what the tag 'Court' was supposed to be used for. If we use it for every scene set in the court it would be ridiculously overused, but then again, that is how we use the Gillitie tag. Maybe only use it for outside scenes? And give inside scenes their own room tags?
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 18, 2013 21:50:09 GMT
I've used Court for views of Gunnerkrigg Court from outside its boundaries – e.g. from the far end of the bridge. I may have also used it where the Court has acted formally: “the Court has decided” moments, but I’ve taken the view that the Court is the default background environment and shouldn’t be tagged unless it becomes noticeable in some way. Therefore I've tried to tag all scenes set outwith the Court with a location: Gillite, Ocean, etc.
Employees/staff/teachers – Teachers is just a generic tag for the non-named I think? For non-teachers I’d prefer Staff, as it is shorter than Employees, BUT apart from the flashbacks in Ch 40, how often do we see non-Court, non-Forest people? The Mundanes / Muggles of the world. Are Court employees/staff even worth tagging as such? Like the Court itself are they not just the default assumption: anyone you see is a Court minion…
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 18, 2013 22:16:22 GMT
OOPS - line formatting fail in index.txt, lines 1180 on. A chunk of stuff has gone missing p369-394 and it looks like the bottom part of the file is all one line maybe - someone change line endings mid way through the file?
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However much I'd like to be able to code, it's all just words to me 