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Post by Eversist on May 21, 2013 2:46:50 GMT
"Mind-wrenchingly slow?"  This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively. He probably just means the amount of perceived content per page, not how often it physically updates (because yes, for quality/quantity, Gunnerkrigg is certainly near the top). This comic is fairly slow-paced (not that I'm complaining, it's just a fact). Besides, considering how often I see TBeholder in other forums/comments, he probably does already read OOTS and Goblins.  |
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Post by Nnelg on May 21, 2013 4:15:20 GMT
I know Nnelg is going to hate this, but I think Paz asked Bobby to help write the letter, despite my earlier objections that Paz was too cool when she saw Kat to have I don't think that would make as much sense, for the same reasons you mentioned and more.  What I think we're going to find out in the next page or two is that someone else entirely asked Bobby for help with the letter... |
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Post by warrl on May 21, 2013 4:22:37 GMT
Replies to multiple things, in no particular order...
a) I agree, things are too simple at the moment.
b) Kat just had an emotionally touchy conversation and Paz knows it. It's perfectly reasonable for Kat to want some cool-off time and for Paz to not be offended thereby. Although it'd be nice to see them talk to each other, this isn't necessarily the right time for that. (Depending on what else might be going on, of course.)
c) Paz filled the cages with water. Maybe she intends to let them soak a while, making them easier to scrub out. Normally she probably would go inside during this time, but, well, she knew Kat walked in there with the letter... holding the wall up for a while would probably be a better move.
d) Slow? Another webcomic once spent about 16 months of our time at a teenager's birthday party - and this was after 7 months spent leading up to the party. Later in the same comic it took three and a half pages for a guy who had just been knocked off his feet to actually fall on the floor. (Granted, a few pages later there's a single page that covers six months.)
e) Why did Paz tell Bobby that Kat moved? Because she knew that Bobby was sending a letter. Maybe she knew in advance and went to tell him about the change as soon as she saw Kat moving stuff, or maybe she was on her way to take care of the animals when she noticed the change in progress and then Bobby mentioned he was sending a letter to Kat - or asked her which room Kat is in.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 21, 2013 4:37:19 GMT
Y U DO DIS TOM
Y U PLAY GAEMS WIT US
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Post by download on May 21, 2013 4:54:03 GMT
I know Nnelg is going to hate this, but I think Paz asked Bobby to help write the letter, despite my earlier objections that Paz was too cool when she saw Kat to have I don't think that would make as much sense, for the same reasons you mentioned and more. What I think we're going to find out in the next page or two is that someone else entirely asked Bobby for help with the letter... Or maybe Paz is a lot calmer than we thought? If you're wrong I'm so not going to let it this up on you  |
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Post by SpitefulFox on May 21, 2013 5:42:35 GMT
Please. What dead fans? Gunnerkrigg Court fans who survived through their first two month of cliffhangers on every single page are adapted to this mind-wrenchingly slow teasing. Or maybe we're just a weird sort of masochists, it's sometimes hard to tell. Slow? This comic updates at blinding speed compared to, say... "Mind-wrenchingly slow?" This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively. Or, even worst, the comic could've spent an entire goddamn year portraying a few in-comic hours inside of Castle Heterodyne. Not to name names or anything. * coughs * Honestly, the way Tom manages to quickly get through so much story in so little time without abusing massive time skips or missing updates just blows my mind. Gunnerkrigg Court conveys more in a small 8-panel page than comics like Goblins get done in several pages. |
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Post by download on May 21, 2013 6:22:18 GMT
Hasn't Lackadaisy been going for 6 years, yet only passed 2 days in the comic or something?
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Post by sapientcoffee on May 21, 2013 6:40:55 GMT
Or, even worst, the comic could've spent an entire goddamn year portraying a few in-comic hours inside of Castle Heterodyne. Not to name names or anything. * coughs * Gods. Yes. That was the first one that came to my mind as well. For as regularly as it updates... I understand that there's a Sparky insane amount of things happening, but....oof. It's weird; I don't have an issue with any particular page or the need to show what's going on, but it feels like molasses in January. Or maybe the problem is there was never much of a slow down bit and it's action exhaustion. |
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Post by Eversist on May 21, 2013 6:53:36 GMT
Man, you guys with your assuming.
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Post by TBeholder on May 21, 2013 8:12:27 GMT
Paz "somehow" got the idea while talking to Lindsey, the plan was to use the letter as a Catalyst to get Kat to open up and talk about her insecurities I'm sure Paz will be the first candidate for that. ;D |
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Post by contrition on May 21, 2013 8:44:26 GMT
This takes place before the lunch meeting, when Kat says that she has a "pretty good idea" of who wrote it. If she really thought it was Bobby, wouldn't she have just come out and said that instead of beating around the bush?
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Post by TBeholder on May 21, 2013 9:09:50 GMT
"Mind-wrenchingly slow?" This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively. "Steady" and "fast" are not the same. El Goonish Shive fluctuated a lot, covering all from "sometimes" to "I have a schedule, honest" to "every day". Chopping Block switched from "full stop" to "every day" and back. And even OotS is almost steady as compared to a lot of fun stuff that by now leaves the freezer twice per year or so. Head Trip, Prime of Ambition... Conversely, in "quality and performance" the craziest is Cutieverse (Eerie Cuties + 2 spinoffs) - it's all done by the same few artists, who also pull other series. Sadly, they had to fall back on B&W, however. He probably just means the amount of perceived content per page, not how often it physically updates (because yes, for quality/quantity, Gunnerkrigg is certainly near the top). This comic is fairly slow-paced (not that I'm complaining, it's just a fact). Well, yeah. I'm not saying that these steady measured steps with little cliffhangers on each are not optimal teasing-wise, of course. Besides, considering how often I see TBeholder in other forums/comments, he probably does already read OOTS and Goblins. Only OotS. Or, even worst, the comic could've spent an entire goddamn year portraying a few in-comic hours inside of Castle Heterodyne. Not to name names or anything. * coughs * Webcomic Time Dilation effect is stronger in more action-heavy works, obviously. |
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Post by crater on May 21, 2013 11:20:39 GMT
it could have been worse Kat, it could have been a female robot
or wait, Bobby kinda looks like a fembot.... is that a robo-bow in his / her hair area
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 21, 2013 12:11:11 GMT
Or, even worst, the comic could've spent an entire goddamn year portraying a few in-comic hours inside of Castle Heterodyne. Not to name names or anything. * coughs * Gods. Yes. That was the first one that came to my mind as well. For as regularly as it updates... I understand that there's a Sparky insane amount of things happening, but....oof. It's weird; I don't have an issue with any particular page or the need to show what's going on, but it feels like molasses in January. Or maybe the problem is there was never much of a slow down bit and it's action exhaustion. It may be worse than you think. Guessing by the errata GG is navigating to a serial narrative neutral point and we're not even up to the plateau yet. Once the main character is ensconced in her city of doom and the regularly-repeating antagonists introduced and defined, then we can say we're through the introduction. Then there can be a franchise of books and comics, chronological order and author unimportant. But in general webcomic format is the slowest and most labor-intensive way to tell a story short of animating it. Many webcomics don't properly start their overall plots until a couple of years of regular updates have passed (Ava's Demon I'd argue doesn't really begin until the contract gets made, for example) and most artist simply quit before then. I like to judge things as finished works and if I get frustrated with an update schedule or artist vacation I just bookmark it with a note to check back in six months or so, and if I may be completely honest most people I introduced to GC are not regular followers. They followed the typical pattern: They did the archive binge in one or two sessions, blissed out, then crashed when they ran out of supply. Most of them will check back every few months when they can get a good fix but feel somewhat annoyed that they can't get more. But one or two have liked it enough that they hung around and supported the comic in various ways.  Webcomic Time Dilation effect is stronger in more action-heavy works, obviously. Agree. Comic format is just more friendly to events where scene to scene skipping is more accepted. 2-camera American style is common for tv dramas so its scene-by-scene pacing gets replicated in animated works and in comic panel-by-panel progression; readers acclimated to that style are incredibly forgiving for problematic scene transitions or just plain omissions in comics as long as the artist is cuing up something the reader can mentally fudge into that sort of narrative. Some artists are better than others but a good sign is when they start drawing things without drawing things. It's a huge time-saver and lets them spend more time on the more important details. Since you mention the Eerie Cootieverse I'll use them for an example since they did something pretty smart with an action sequence a while ago [random people shouldn't take this as a recommendation, it has some good points but I have a lot of trouble getting into that franchise/ring whatever ]. In their two-words chapter of MC they managed to reduce a fairly complicated but predictable series of events down to just a handful of pages. In particular there's one page where the antagonist has a hat blown off her head in one panel but it's back in the next... which some readers may take as a continuity error, but most will probably figure that the hat was retrieved between panels... and imagine how the character did so, even down to the attitude that probably was copped during the retrieval. |
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Post by download on May 21, 2013 12:54:00 GMT
This takes place before the lunch meeting, when Kat says that she has a "pretty good idea" of who wrote it. If she really thought it was Bobby, wouldn't she have just come out and said that instead of beating around the bush? I think we're pretty certain it's after. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 13:46:53 GMT
Hasn't Lackadaisy been going for 6 years, yet only passed 2 days in the comic or something? I think it's been more around a week in-comic time, but that's over two volumes. Lackadaisy can get away with that kind of timescale, though, because it's similar to Baccano! in that there are a ton of characters each with their own story and motivations all doing different stuff. Also, for someone who does all of this in her spare time while working a full-time job, I'm okay with cutting her a little slack. Tom Siddell is really quite legendary in his dedication. I don't know any other artist who's managed to keep such a tight and consistent schedule, regardless of medium. |
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Post by Rymdljus on May 21, 2013 14:25:00 GMT
I don't think the time it takes to get though in-story days has any relevance to the quality of a story. ^^;
(At least I hope it doesn't. What Birds Know has been going since late 2005 (started before Lackadaisy, I think) and it has reached day seven or eight in-story (I forgot). In 750 pages.)
Consistent updates is another thing. As a long time webcomic artist, I can really appreciate Tom's dedication. His schedule is insane.
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Post by Toloc on May 21, 2013 14:29:08 GMT
... is that a robo-bow in his / her hair area I kinda thought of it as like a dude wearing a ponytail, but now that you bring it up it looks more like pigtails. At least some of the original Courtbots had a distinct male or female look. |
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Post by adria on May 21, 2013 14:51:45 GMT
Tom Siddell is really quite legendary in his dedication. I don't know any other artist who's managed to keep such a tight and consistent schedule, regardless of medium. While I agree that Tom is glorious for keeping this schedule so consistently and I have crazy respect and appreciation for that, he's not the only one. My favorite non-story-based webcomic is www.xkcd.com and Randall Munroe updates on the same schedule Tom does, even through his wife battling cancer he rarely missed an update. I hold both of them on the same level pedestal. "Mind-wrenchingly slow?" This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively. To be fair, with OotS, Giant did recently significantly injure his drawing hand in a car accident which basically mandated a screeching halt, but once he recovered enough to handle it, he updated every day for I believe it was more than a week straight, which significantly moved the plot. I agree that before that he was still in a "whenever I get to it" kind of pace, but I felt that bit deserved acknowledging. On a different note: I guess I feel differently than most of you guys, I just love to sit back and enjoy the ride Tom takes us on with Gunnerkrigg. For me, guessing and over-analyzing make it all too "meta" and take away from the experience. Sure, I might be able to accurately guess where he's going with each of his twists, but that - for me - takes away from having the twists at all. One of the reasons I love this comic so much is that I can really get sucked into the whole world and story and allow myself to be surprised and angry and thrilled in tandem with the characters we've grown to know and love. But that's just, like, my opinion, man... I have no issues with the speculation debates; however, my suggestion is to just sit back and strap in, enjoy the ride - but you can take it or leave it. |
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Post by download on May 21, 2013 16:37:39 GMT
Tom Siddell is really quite legendary in his dedication. I don't know any other artist who's managed to keep such a tight and consistent schedule, regardless of medium. While I agree that Tom is glorious for keeping this schedule so consistently and I have crazy respect and appreciation for that, he's not the only one. My favorite non-story-based webcomic is www.xkcd.com and Randall Munroe updates on the same schedule Tom does, even through his wife battling cancer he rarely missed an update. I hold both of them on the same level pedestal. "Mind-wrenchingly slow?" This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively. To be fair, with OotS, Giant did recently significantly injure his drawing hand in a car accident which basically mandated a screeching halt, but once he recovered enough to handle it, he updated every day for I believe it was more than a week straight, which significantly moved the plot. I agree that before that he was still in a "whenever I get to it" kind of pace, but I felt that bit deserved acknowledging. On a different note: I guess I feel differently than most of you guys, I just love to sit back and enjoy the ride Tom takes us on with Gunnerkrigg. For me, guessing and over-analyzing make it all too "meta" and take away from the experience. Sure, I might be able to accurately guess where he's going with each of his twists, but that - for me - takes away from having the twists at all. One of the reasons I love this comic so much is that I can really get sucked into the whole world and story and allow myself to be surprised and angry and thrilled in tandem with the characters we've grown to know and love. But that's just, like, my opinion, man... I have no issues with the speculation debates; however, my suggestion is to just sit back and strap in, enjoy the ride - but you can take it or leave it. It's a jigsaw puzzle plot and that jigsaw needs solving! |
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Post by quoodle on May 21, 2013 16:37:39 GMT
Paz: "Oh, I'm sure some nice boy will send you one someday"
Kat says, "I'd be happy with just a feather"
Paz has puzzled look.
Kat tells her story to Paz.
Paz breaks out some ornithological manuals.
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Post by agasa on May 21, 2013 17:56:48 GMT
Paz is gonna confess tomorrow.
This needed to be said.
Also, I rarely comment, but I'm always watching. Always. Watching. =_=
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 21, 2013 18:38:06 GMT
Paz is gonna confess tomorrow. This needed to be said. Also, I rarely comment, but I'm always watching. Always. Watching. =_= You will be wrong, I need to say this so I can be all like in your face tomorrow. She sent the letter, but I doubt she'll confess, and I doubt they find that out tomorrow. |
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Post by Eversist on May 21, 2013 20:08:47 GMT
I think part of the issue here is that many of you are taking "slow" or similar wording as an insult, when it's really just an observation (and an opinionated observation at that; like many of you implied with your posts, "slow compared to what?"). And the over-analyzing is a direct result of us seeing three pages a week, and a forum that is mostly limited to the discussion of this comic (as Tom is entitled to do). I don't really see anything inherently good or bad about it (and I try and limit my own speculation and "calling" of things, but love seeing others mull it over), but as Tom has said in the past about a related topic, "In my mind I am picturing a dart board with every available space riddled with darts." |
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Post by Nnelg on May 21, 2013 23:02:50 GMT
e) Why did Paz tell Bobby that Kat moved? It could have come up in casual conversation. Or maybe Paz is a lot calmer than we thought? If you're wrong I'm so not going to let it this up on you Huh? I don't follow.  Paz: "Oh, I'm sure some nice boy will send you one someday" Kat says, "I'd be happy with just a feather" Paz has puzzled look. Kat tells her story to Paz. Paz breaks out some ornithological manuals. |
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Post by impish on May 22, 2013 0:12:37 GMT
it could have been worse Kat, it could have been a female robot Worse? Heh. We know Kat fancies birds, after all. |
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Post by dracazula on May 22, 2013 2:26:57 GMT
Now for the answer to the real question: Will tomorrow's panel answer any questions at all?
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This is one of the fastest updating comics out there. You should try reading Order of the Stick or Goblins. They update on "Whenever I feel like it" and "Two per week except for all the times when it's only once a week" respectively.
