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Post by legion on May 22, 2013 16:02:26 GMT
I tried reading it but I didn't find the story compelling at all. Yeah it's prohibition shenanigans with cats, and?
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Post by GK Sierra on May 22, 2013 16:44:40 GMT
I tried reading it but I didn't find the story compelling at all. Yeah it's prohibition shenanigans with cats, and? ...and it's kawaii as all get-out. It's about the Lackadaisy saloon which used to be run by a man called Atlas, but has since fallen on hard times. The plot revolves around old enemies and creative business deals. There's not really much more to it than that. The dialogue is lively and the characters are expressive and unique. |
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Post by download on May 22, 2013 17:08:38 GMT
It's also pretty funny and has cats mowing eachother down with Thompsons
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Post by legion on May 22, 2013 17:11:15 GMT
The characters are unique? I've seen these characters in many stories before!
There's the young ambitious man who brags too much and is way out of his league most of the time, the dignified no-nonsense little lady who runs her business no matter what against much bigger forces than herself, the naïve, easily manipulated newcomer meant as channeling the point of view of the audience (overbearing, imposing mom in option), the built-like-a-gorilla bouncer who doesn't talk much but can convey a lot of meaning in a single nasty look…
I've seen these characters, I've seen these stories, I've seen these settings. Drawing it very pretty with lot of research on the visuals, and with cats, is not enough to make it interesting to me.
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Post by download on May 22, 2013 17:17:36 GMT
The characters are unique? I've seen these characters in many stories before! There's the young ambitious man who brags too much and is way out of his league most of the time, the dignified no-nonsense little lady who runs her business no matter what against much bigger forces than herself, the naïve, easily manipulated newcomer meant as channeling the point of view of the audience (overbearing, imposing mom in option), the built-like-a-gorilla bouncer who doesn't talk much but can convey a lot of meaning in a single nasty look… I've seen these characters, I've seen these stories, I've seen these settings. Drawing it very pretty with lot of research on the visuals, and with cats, is not enough to make it interesting to me. The young ambitious man isn't ambitious nor does he brag, he just wants to please Mitzi because he has a thing for her, though he is out of his league in regards to her Mitzi isn't no nonsense, but she is going up against a larger force. The newcomer is naive but isn't manipulated, unless you consider people trying to kill him manipulation. He's also hardly there so he's not much of an audience channel Well, you sorta got the bouncer right but I can't explain anything else without revealing a few thing |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 22, 2013 17:30:29 GMT
The characters are unique? I've seen these characters in many stories before! There's the young ambitious man who brags too much and is way out of his league most of the time, the dignified no-nonsense little lady who runs her business no matter what against much bigger forces than herself, the naïve, easily manipulated newcomer meant as channeling the point of view of the audience (overbearing, imposing mom in option), the built-like-a-gorilla bouncer who doesn't talk much but can convey a lot of meaning in a single nasty look… I've seen these characters, I've seen these stories, I've seen these settings. Drawing it very pretty with lot of research on the visuals, and with cats, is not enough to make it interesting to me. I suppose not, but if you think about it every character and plot-line has been done before in one form or another. If I held out for true originality I would have never read another word of fiction after finishing Dostoyevsky. |
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Post by legion on May 22, 2013 18:14:59 GMT
Hmpf, I always felt "nothing original can be written anymore anyway" was more the excuse of unimaginative writers rather than any accurate description of reality.
It may be hard to invent new ingredients (although it does happen), but new recipes are invented all the time.
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Post by Eversist on May 22, 2013 18:57:13 GMT
If you're trying to find reasons not to read something, I'm not sure we can help you. But it's a wonderful comic, hilarious and heartwarming and frightening at times. And yes, beautifully drawn, and they're anthropomorphized cats. Yeah, sure, maybe this story to some effect has been told before, but who cares as long as it's well done this time? Also, if you already know lots about Prohibition America, you appreciate her attention to detail (and she's taught me a thing or two [sometimes she outlinks to her sources or gives a mini-lecture about the topic in the comic]). I mean, GC uses a few tired tropes. Does that make it bad? No, I think your activity here proves that you don't believe that. And yes, I agree Tom's "recipe" is fresh, but your argument against Lackadaisy is exactly what I hear from people who have started to read GC and give up partway through. But that's just like, my opinion man. Be contrary towards a fairly popular webcomic, we all do it from time to time.  |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 22, 2013 19:02:11 GMT
I know Tropes Aren't Bad is a trope itself, but that's generally how I see it. You're right, there are works that don't give a fifth of an eff about what others are doing and do something completely original, but there are just as many of those that aren't great as there are of the ones that use familiar archetypes for inspiration.
Then again, who's to say, maybe my taste is just campy and predictable.
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Post by legion on May 22, 2013 19:31:49 GMT
Eversist > at that point I was more going on a tangent than trying to find excuses (excuses for what? I've read a good chunk [more than the entirety of volume 1] of Lackadaisy and concluded that, for various reasons which I can elaborate [mostly I don't find anything that stands out in the story or characters, and while the art is certainly of professional quality, I find the combination of sepia tones and very clean and homogeneous artwork a bit flat and lifeless], it wasn't my thing).
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Post by Eversist on May 22, 2013 19:59:10 GMT
Ah, okay then.  |
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 22, 2013 21:45:07 GMT
the naïve, easily manipulated newcomer meant as channeling the point of view of the audience You think that, right up until the point he starts laughing like a maniac as he blows away rednecks with a tommy gun. (To be fair, they shot first.) There's a reason why Freckles got kicked out of the police academy. |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 23, 2013 2:03:51 GMT
the naïve, easily manipulated newcomer meant as channeling the point of view of the audience You think that, right up until the point he starts laughing like a maniac as he blows away rednecks with a tommy gun. (To be fair, they shot first.) There's a reason why Freckles got kicked out of the police academy. Lie down on the couch... now what does that mean? You're a nut! (You're a nut!) You're crazy in the coconut!  |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 23, 2013 2:12:47 GMT
...and I'm going to post Whizbang too, because watching Zib trying to light a cigarette with shaking hands is hilarious.  |
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Post by legion on May 23, 2013 4:27:36 GMT
Yes I have read this part, though frankly it was like 2 years ago so pardon me for not pigeonholing the characters in the most accurate fashion going solely from my hazy memories.
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Post by Eversist on May 23, 2013 6:19:11 GMT
Pigeonholing, by its very nature, is an inaccurate process.
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Post by cannister on May 23, 2013 17:31:39 GMT
Hmpf, I always felt "nothing original can be written anymore anyway" was more the excuse of unimaginative writers rather than any accurate description of reality. It may be hard to invent new ingredients (although it does happen), but new recipes are invented all the time. But, correct me if I'm wrong, your refusal to imbibe Lackadaisy Cats is based on what you know of the ingredients, is it not? |
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Post by csj on May 23, 2013 17:39:55 GMT
Looks like we need some spoiler tabs on this here forum.
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Post by tpman on May 23, 2013 19:13:43 GMT
Or we can just use blockquotes .... Or maybe I should not have made an assumption about what those do. There doesn't appear to be a feature on Proboards to have text only come up when it's clicked or something. |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 23, 2013 20:04:09 GMT
Looks like we need some spoiler tabs on this here forum. Man, I wish. I don't think Proboards supports the feature. |
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Post by tpman on May 23, 2013 20:52:42 GMT
So before this becomes the talking prohibition cats thread, here's some stuff I like:
Authors: Neil Gaiman, Douglas Coupland, Brent Weeks, Isaac Asimov, Terry Pratchett
Games: TF2... Don't play all that much these days really.
Television: None
Web Comics: Nedroid,SMBC, XKCD, El Goonish Shive, Shortpacked, Dumbing of Age, Monster Pulse, Kiwi Blitz, Cucumber Quest, Girl Genius, Paranatural, Ava's Demon, Erf World...
Other: Magic the Gathering
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 21:23:08 GMT
I'm not gonna list out the whole huge list of media I've found enjoyable to consume, but one webcomic I'm very surprised I didn't see pop up is Archipelago. Just like Gunnerkrigg, one of the first webcomics I came across (no friggin' clue how). It's an adventure set in a post-post apocalyptic world covered mostly in water, following the far descendants of humans and their companions well-adjusted to life on the scattered islands. The main method of transportation between islands is submarines, and "magic" left over from the technology of ages past is fairly common, if minor in its uses beyond transportation. It's pretty predictable but quite a good deal of fun. I highly recommend it to fans of works such as One Piece, Legend of Zelda, etc. The art is pretty rough in the beginning, starts really improving around the middle, and becomes great towards the end. It's currently mostly through its ninth book, with each 'book' lasting between 100-200 pages. Updates on roughly the same schedule as Gunnerkrigg (MWF). also most importantly it has this little bird man who is adorkable  |
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Post by philman on May 23, 2013 21:28:11 GMT
So many new webcomics to get into... Ah we have a 3 day bank holiday weekend coming up, perfect I'm just going to post webcomics, since I'm not sure most people are reading much else on anyone's lists, as whathisname said above... -xkcd -Girl Genius -Sam and Fuzzy -Questionable Content -The Adventures of Dr McNinja -Homestuck (seems to be on a break) -Order of the Stick -Manly Guys Doing Manly Things (parody of the overly macho action heroes from film and video games) -C.urvy (NSFW) -Reprographics (photography based, used to be quite fun and silly back in the day, but is very inconsistent since the author's 'proper' artistic career started to take off) |
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Post by legion on May 23, 2013 22:30:07 GMT
Hmpf, I always felt "nothing original can be written anymore anyway" was more the excuse of unimaginative writers rather than any accurate description of reality. It may be hard to invent new ingredients (although it does happen), but new recipes are invented all the time. But, correct me if I'm wrong, your refusal to imbibe Lackadaisy Cats is based on what you know of the ingredients, is it not? No; as I have stated, I have read more than the entirety of volume 1 of LC; so I know how it tastes. |
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Post by feraldog on May 23, 2013 23:21:56 GMT
But, correct me if I'm wrong, your refusal to imbibe Lackadaisy Cats is based on what you know of the ingredients, is it not? No; as I have stated, I have read more than the entirety of volume 1 of LC; so I know how it tastes. It's okay, I'm a Lackadaisy fan but can see why it wouldn't be for everyone. (Likewise I simply can't stand the movie 300, but I can see why other people do.) Do you like the String Theory webcomic? |
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Post by legion on May 24, 2013 1:31:31 GMT
Do you like the String Theory webcomic? I don't think I had heard of it before today, so I don't know. |
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Post by Thing on May 24, 2013 13:15:38 GMT
Webcomics:
xkcd
Abtsruse Goose
Ava's Demon
Old Sinfests
Sturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
Cyanide & Happiness
TV:
House
Big Bang Theory
(Don't watch lots of TV)
Movies:
Requiem for a Dream
Fight Club
V for Vendetta
Hot Fuzz
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
edit: Into the wild, can't belive I forgot that.. Such a fine movie
Books:
Hichhicker's Guide and averything else from Douglas Adams
Tortilla Flat and The Winter of our Discontent (and pretty much everything else) by John Steinbeck
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov (seriously good and a bit fucked up)
Sinuhe, the Egyptian by Mika Waltari
Moominpappa at Sea by Tove janson
Random H.P. Lovecraft short stories
Random Agatha Christie novels (Ten Little Niggers)
Print comics:
The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck and everything else by Don Rosa
Asterix-series (the ones by René Goscinny and Albert Uderzo, don't really care for Uderzo's solos and later ones)
Lucky Luke series (again originals with Morris [& René Goscinny])
Tintin series
Games:
Dota 2
Bastion
Antichamber
Braid (Holy trinity of indie games)
Portal 1&2
Borderlands 2
Team Fortress Classic and TF2
Dishonored
Warcraft 3
Tomba 1&2
Music:
Tool
The Stone Roses
Porcupine Tree
Muse
Eric Clapton (various projects)
Muddy Waters
Hugh Laurie
Dead Sara
The Black Keys
The Heavy
Rise Against
Scar Symmetry
Metallica
Just to name a few.
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Post by feraldog on May 24, 2013 21:09:00 GMT
Do you like the String Theory webcomic? I don't think I had heard of it before today, so I don't know. Well, here's the archives page: www.stringtheorycomic.com/archive/Like many web comics the art improves a lot, so don't let the style throw you. |
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Post by williamansley on May 28, 2013 3:13:15 GMT
I know there is some crossover between Gunnerkrigg Court and Girl Genius fandom, so I though this announcement would be of interest here. If I am committing a major breach of forum etiquette, I apologize. If Tom Siddell ever does a Kickstarter, I will post it to the Girl Genius discussion groups I participate in. The Girl Genius Kickstarter has been in progress for a while and has six days left to go. There are some great deals to be had at the Girl Genius' Kickstarter, now that so many stretch goals have been reached. If you join at the $5 level, you will be able to download all of the donation wallpapers that they have ever offered, plus some new ones Kaja Foglio has just finished. If you join at the $10 "Exceptionally Organized Bundle of Photons" level, you will get PDF versions of all 12 volumes and the "Volume 0" Secret Blueprints PDF, as well as the donation wallpapers. If you pledge at the $30 level (add $15 to ship outside the US), you can get volume 12 or any previous volume in softcover, along with all of the donation wallpapers and the vol. 0-12 PDFs. The $30 pledge is probably barely more than the retail cost of a print book will be, at least for volume 12, since the Foglios have said they will be raising prices on all the volumes, since printing costs are going up. At the $275 "TPU Librarian" level, you can get all 12 volumes of Girl Genius in softcover (you have to add $95 for shipping outside the US), as well as all of the wallpapers and PDFs. For an $8 add-on, you can now get the Jägermonster, winged trilobite, or Wulfenbach (winged tower) emblems as patches! And it is important for everyone who is interested in the future success of Girl Genius to support this Kickstarter, even though it is fully funded (so volume 12 can be printed) and the stretch goals for reprinting all the previous volumes have been met. The Foglios are now working towards a $300K stretch goal so that they can hire a business manager, which I think will be an enormous help to them. Or use this short URL: kck.st/15NmkCI |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 28, 2013 3:54:24 GMT
I think Tom decided to forgo the Kickstarter route a long time ago, but the sentiment is appreciated.
The comic is already "off the ground", and I get the feeling that he isn't in a hurry to make dozens of different personalized prizes himself, while keeping up with the pace of the webcomic.
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