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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 30, 2007 5:14:43 GMT
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Post by fjodor on Jul 30, 2007 7:17:21 GMT
I love today's page! Being Dutch, I should have noted the parallels between Reynardine and the medieval novel 'van den vos Reynaerde' a lot earlier. Here's a good Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysengrimus |
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Post by Count Casimir on Jul 30, 2007 7:27:43 GMT
And the glass-eyed men! Guess we know where they came from now.
"Master Renart and Ysengrin"? Is Ysengrin Rey's cousin after all?
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Post by todd on Jul 30, 2007 10:47:55 GMT
An interesting blend of mythologies - Coyote from Native American legend and Ysengrin from the beast-fable of Reynard the Fox.
The two of them offset each other nicely, as well; Coyote being the fun-loving trickster, happy to digress and reminisce about his exploits gone awry, while Ysengrin is all business and wants to get to the point of their visit at once.
I hadn't thought that Coyote's bungled creations might be the shadow-men, but that would make sense.
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Jul 30, 2007 11:08:27 GMT
Hm, well there you go. I hadn't known Renart/Reynard the Fox stories ever featured a wolf (then again the only story I know of is where he is out smarted by a cockerel, taken as the basis for 'The Nun's Priest's Tale' in Chaucer, with Chauntecleer the Cockerel). There's some more information here on some of that rascal fox and wolf's escapades. There is a translation of the poem in my university library (hooray for online catalogues) but I'm currently at home ... And, also we see eyes like in the signal that was send up from Gillitie Wood, ( linky). |
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Post by Boksha on Jul 30, 2007 12:38:16 GMT
Man, all this references are making things a bit complicated.
What's the parallels between Reynard the Fox and Reynardine and Ysengrim and Ysengrin other than their names? I honestly can't find much similarity between those stories and GC.
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Post by UbiquitousDragon on Jul 30, 2007 13:12:10 GMT
Perhaps Tom has only retained their rivalry? Foxes and wolves are cousins of sorts. Though we know Rey to be a trickster, maybe Ysengrin is gullible?
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Post by rastarogue on Jul 30, 2007 14:50:44 GMT
Why is it that mythological creatures bond with Annie? Basil, Mort, the Guides, Rey and now coyote (It would seem).
I think Rey's cousin is Ysengrin and I get the feeling that the reason Rey does'nt stay in the forest is because he probably played one to many tricks on Ysengrin and Ysengrin would probably attack rey on sight. This also explains why Rey hasn't showed up yet. (Should probably be in Wild Spec)
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 30, 2007 23:02:13 GMT
Why is it that mythological creatures bond with Annie? Basil, Mort, the Guides, Rey and now coyote (It would seem). I think Rey's cousin is Ysengrin and I get the feeling that the reason Rey does'nt stay in the forest is because he probably played one to many tricks on Ysengrin and Ysengrin would probably attack rey on sight. This also explains why Rey hasn't showed up yet. (Should probably be in Wild Spec) Mort did say that Annie is attractive like a magnet... or a medium. There is a little evidence suggesting that Coyote is related to Rey somehow. First, both of them mistook Annie for her mother, and I'm sure that parallel means something. Second, one Native American folk tale (I think I linked to it in the last page's thread) said that Coyote and Fox were twin brothers. Third, the one time Rey mentioned his cousin, he called him "fool", and Coyote strikes me as more foolish than Ysengrin (of course this only applies if Rey was being literal). That said, I do think Ysengrin makes more sense than Coyote as Rey's "fool cousin." |
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