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Post by aline on Feb 15, 2023 15:04:39 GMT
But I want to see them at least *try* to dissuade her, and hear Kat's response to it. Otherwise, the move is so hurtful that Paz is crying, yet she's not saying anything, that doesn't feel logical. I feel so too, from a logical pont of view. But there is also a feeling of inevitability to it. And given her experience seeing Kat in all her angelic glory, maybe Paz is just convinced there is nothing she can do. Maybe there's something else and she just can't speak up. I don't know. The scene is really weird but even though no one is saying much, I don't feel like any arguments could prevent what is happening. Does it make sense? Not entirely. But I think the scene works because of how heavy and absolutely dreadful it is.
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Post by aline on Feb 15, 2023 12:19:24 GMT
Oh, Paz. I guess she does understand how bad this is then. Maybe she just doesn't think she can or should stop it. The thing is, I don't see how she can be as sure as us that it's such a terrible moment. Unless someone has made her aware of something more. Something she couldn't share with Kat or Annie. There are a couple of other possibilities of what that tear means: 1. She's about to sabotage this for Kat's own good, somehow, and knows that Kat will never trust her again. 2. She has corrupted the chip somehow or will swap in an alternative chip (using something she was supplied), under terrible coercion (maybe even mind-control). Maybe the court? Maybe the Seraphim? Whoever it is could have threatened to kill or do something very bad to Kat. I have wondered too if she knows something we don't. All we have at this point is this moment on the boat when she saw the the "angel" version of Kat in the etheric smoke. Maybe it's enough of a premonition, and while she isn't sure she has this strong gut feeling that this is where Kat is headed. We can't rule out that she is playing a double game for some reason. For now however I lean more on the first. I think she has a bad, bad feeling about this even though she's not completely sure what is going on, and that's why she's crying. Also, this quote from another thread: It's strange but Kat reminds me of that puppy from "Traveller" comic. The one who swam away in to the ocean. He felt no fear but was entranced by the sea. He was bound only to crawl on the ground, but in the sea he was truly free i guess. I think Kat marches into unknown the same way but unlike the doggo she's still looking back and tries not to move too far away from the ones close to her. I wonder if Paz feels that connection between those moments too. Even though Kat's ocean isn't something she can understand as well as the danger of the actual ocean to her puppy.
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Post by aline on Feb 15, 2023 8:17:40 GMT
Oh, Paz. I guess she does understand how bad this is then. Maybe she just doesn't think she can or should stop it.
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Post by aline on Feb 13, 2023 10:27:15 GMT
No, it'd be too dark if she were lost forever. Kat is a kid and the story's second protagonist. But we are heading into a pretty glum and bumpy road, that's for sure. At this point, the 'kid' is 16-17, and we have had premonitionsI still think Kat essentially dying / being lost forever is too dark for the tone of the comic. Plus, I believe the plot so far only makes sense if Annie is meant to prevent such a disaster from happening. Kat saved Annie, broke time and fate to bring her back from the dead. Annie will save Kat too.
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Post by aline on Feb 13, 2023 8:30:19 GMT
Why do I get the feeling this is the last we see of Kat, as such? No, it'd be too dark if she were lost forever. Kat is a kid and the story's second protagonist. But we are heading into a pretty glum and bumpy road, that's for sure.
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Post by aline on Feb 13, 2023 7:57:25 GMT
Paz is just…resigned. It breaks my heart to see it. Remember, Paz has seen Kat’s robo-goddess form. I think she’s decided that Kat is destined for something greater, and not to stand in her way. Whether it is for great good or great harm, Paz cannot say and will not attempt to decide for Kat. Really great couple of pages. I wouldn't call it resigned. I think Paz trusts that Kat can do incredible things and is a good person. So if Kat says it's safe, she wants to believe it.
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2023 14:33:41 GMT
Since there is time travel and alternate universes, at least sometimes, in the comic I can't rule out that Omega is Kat but I since Omega appears to preexist the Kat we know I think it can at best be another state of Kat. The Court-predicted Kat might be a final component or perfected form of Omega but thanks to Antimony that Kat probably doesn't exist in the current time-line. Also, thanks to retroactive causality I think we can say some things about any potential alternate-Kats in this time-line, like that she/they probably aren't evil and will likely thoroughly frustrate the Court's designs, or if not they'll fail. If Kat is supposed to become Omega, would it not explain why the court was so pissed at Antimony? Because they somehow knew Annie's existence was threatening the appearance of Omega, even if they don't fully understand why? Gamma said Annie put Kat on "a better path". And then they dragged Tony back to the court, where he ended up helping Kat advance her New Robot project.
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2023 10:40:51 GMT
Kat is acting more and more out of character, here. Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger? I keep going back to the idea that she is being manipulated by a much worse version of herself, from a separate timeline or at least a potential future, and that's pushing to come into being in this timeline. Kat has already manipulated timelines, including influencing her own path by making her mother find the workshop. Both Zimmy and Annie saw... that www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1049 so it is in some way Kat, at least a potential Kat Not to mention what the robots see when they call her "angel" Maybe the weird addition to Robot's CPU was added by other!Kat so Robot would influence her on that path, including the whole stunt with the boat Edit: I just noticed the very ominous note below the full page of "how Zimmy sees Kat". It says "One day, Zimmy". Like that being is quietly telling her to wait for her hour to come. Poor Zimmy. No wonder she's freaking out.
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Post by aline on Feb 7, 2023 9:11:29 GMT
I am still worried about evil!Kat from another timeline having something to do with this
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Post by aline on Feb 6, 2023 9:59:12 GMT
GKC readers right now all feel like my kids do, when we come to the point where little red riding hood stops to chat with the wolf. The real interesting thing though, is Paz' face in the last panel. It feels like she's conflicted between 'this is not a good idea' and 'if you think it's necessary then I'll trust you' and I can't tell which is winning. Yeah, I'm worried Paz will go "oh how great you are Kat, you'll do great things" and enable this. Annie looks very alarmed. But Paz isn't her biggest fan and that might be an additional trigger to support Kat in this very terrible, no good idea.
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Post by aline on Jan 31, 2023 8:12:49 GMT
Either way, from Annie's and the reader's pov the story is taking on that certain nightmarish quality with shades of Cassandra, where you're trying to prevent a bad thing from happening and people either misunderstand or don't take it seriously. Yeah im getting this vibe as well. I'm also operating under the assumption that by trying to warn people and prevent it, Annie is actually making the bad thing happen. It's been implied she already set things in motions by indirectly giving Kat the idea of using Omega to find Zimmy. It's a bit jarring that Kat doesn't take this seriously despite previous incidents of her playing with things she doesn't fully understand. Including one count of Annie being accused and threatened by an unkown entity over Kat's use of the arrow. It's more and more clear how Kat, in a different timeline, could have become a supervillain. I hope Annie manages to avert the disaster. Zimmy's comment that Omega isn't a device should give Kat some pause...
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Post by aline on Jan 17, 2023 7:54:30 GMT
They both helped Annie, so even if it was all unintentional they both participated in endangering Zimmy, potentially even getting her killed some time in the future. Emotions are high, Jack is probably still lowkey in love with Zimmy and Annie isn't especially close to either of them. It isn't absurd they would overreact and blame Annie in those circumstances. When people fuck up as a group and start freaking out, things like this happen. If they take the time to think about this calmly they'll probably realize Annie didn't intend to do harm, but right now they're not calm. They're afraid that their friend will die because they decided to trust Annie.
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Post by aline on Jan 13, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
[...] Later on, years later, Loup snagged another Annie (Cannie) from another reality to make things more convenient for himself, so they could talk without the court trying to bomb him and such. If I'm right about this, then what Zimmy did wasn't to undo what Loup did but rather to merge two Annies. [...] When Loup shifted a new one into being, she had the same age and memories and everything as the one he was talking to, but the one who became Fannie really was about 6 months younger than Cannie just because Cannie had an extra six months of experiences in the court, whereas Fannie was in a pocket of time created by Loup. Current Annie (Merged Annie? Mannie?) has double fire power because she is really a new one, created by Zimmy - again, this is consistent with what we've seen. [...] You know, it really grinds my gears that we are continuously trying to untangle this part and speculate about it when the protagonist apparently knows what's up, but chose to only share "No... I understand." with the readers. I think we do know a bunch of things about this. We know there are different timelines and that Zimmy is aware of them (Gamma confirmed that when talking about Kat). We know there are deities in control of those timelines and they have an as yet unkown reason to let Kat mess with those. We also know the Annies are merged (there are a lot of visual cues to tell us Zimmy didn't remove one Annie but rather they became one). I don't think Zimmy made all of it happen, however I do believe the Court uses her ability to influence events. My theory is that this is still a bit vague because there are implications about Kat that we're not meant to have definitive answers about yet. I think that Annie realized she was one person, even with different experiences and relationships and having made different decisions in a separate timeline, and that means all Annies are just different aspects of Annie. Making them easily "mergeable". Somewhere in an alternate universe there is an "evil" Kat who became who knows what, because of how she lost Annie, both causing her grief and depriving her of an important friend to ground her and open her to different perspectives. She's not a different person but an aspect of our Kat and is connected to her. She may well be able to influence events in our Kat's timeline.
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Post by aline on Dec 9, 2022 8:30:45 GMT
Next week: the gang confronts Tony, ready to fight to convince him to let them use The Device. Tony offers no resistance and simply leads them to his office, where he turns on his monitor to reveal a gigantic spreadsheet. Can Kat master macros in time to save the world? Come one, this is too grim and realistic for the tone of the comic *shivers*
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Post by aline on Dec 7, 2022 14:42:39 GMT
The Court never stops reaching new lows. They've probably been considering Zimmy as an "etheric source" since they found out about her existence. Offering shelter to a kid in hope of slaughtering her like cattle one day is dark even for them. I wonder how many people know of that plan.
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Post by aline on Oct 31, 2022 23:05:51 GMT
No one thinks we're simply staying with Jerrek / Loup and Lana? I think the reconfiguration is something that will affect Loup, the Jerrek personality bleeding into him and his relationship with Lana getting off on more honest (if somewhat dysfunctional) grounds.
If we still believe Coyote knew what he was doing, Annie is going to have to kill him sometime soon. Things are going to get extra hairy.
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Post by aline on Oct 21, 2022 12:15:05 GMT
Yep. People have programmed all sorts of software in Excel including games. I've played several of those.
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Post by aline on Sept 23, 2022 23:47:32 GMT
If we assume that Annie's still oblivious to Jerrek being Loup, then her reason why it's "risky" for Jerrek to travel to the coast has something to do with Jerrek being a New robot person. Although Lana is also New, and yet she is still willing to take the risk to go to the coast with him. Unless of course, Lana and/ or Annie are aware of the Loup/ Jerrek situation. Then it could be a trick/ plan/ trap/ test of some sort. I don't believe for one second either of them suspects who Jerrek is. It's risky because the Court isn't supposed to know about Kat's side project of creating a new sentient species, which is why the New People have kept to the areas the Court has officially abandonned. The Star Ocean is the Court's pet project, and they'll have to cross the entire Court's safe zone to get there. Also as it happens the Court is led by a paranoid controlling secret service that tracks and spies everyone everywhere all the time. What could possibly go wrong. I'm sure no one will be spotted or captured or anything.
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Post by aline on Sept 23, 2022 9:30:03 GMT
Trapped in the body of a teenage boy. A truly hellish punishment.
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Post by aline on Sept 16, 2022 13:42:09 GMT
I am just... so lost with the direction this specific plot with Lana is going. I think this is supposed, somehow to end up with Loup / Jerrek caring about the well-being of people who are Not Him (he was already protective of Lana earlier and then he found himself unable to harm Annie who he supposedly no longer needs). And maybe also him experiencing some degree of care and love himself. But Lana's intensity is a bit... much.
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Post by aline on Sept 12, 2022 9:26:57 GMT
For fifty cents I'd be willing to be persuaded that both Lana and Jerrek are in some sense Loup, Coyote, and/or Ysengrin. Lana gives me enormous Coyote-being-random vibes here. Soooo Loup is having a crush on himself?
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Post by aline on Sept 7, 2022 7:06:18 GMT
Am I starting to see a bit of a rift between "Jerrek" and "Loup"? That might be relevant later. Yeah, it does look like Loup has a hard time keeping his decoy personality under control.
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Post by aline on Aug 22, 2022 7:45:57 GMT
What will happen when they leave? Will they switch the pocket dimension off, and the ones left behind will fall into the Ether or into space...? Okay, time to evacuate the Court NOW!!!! I've wondered that too. It brings more questions about what will happen to those left behind.
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Post by aline on Aug 22, 2022 7:31:06 GMT
Ok so I have long assumed that the Court was in some alternate dimension, given the massive size and all the weirdness that goes on there. But they are not even on earth? How does that explain their use of human satellites, and what Jones sees when blasted into space? They're still attached to Earth despite not being technically on the surface, if we look at the image. It probably makes no difference as far as accessing satellites is concerned. And if the Forest is indeed at the border between the Earth surface and the Court's etheric "tube" then Jones was in fact on the planet's surface when she was yeeted into space.
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Post by aline on Aug 19, 2022 9:51:41 GMT
Yeah, where has Annie heard it ("and yet it works.") before? Anyone can recall? Not sure but it sounds like previous conversations between Annie and Kat about the ether.
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Post by aline on Aug 19, 2022 7:06:21 GMT
It's quite likely that some have already made the journey in preparation. But I don't think the people invited to the meeting did. You'd have to give them more than five minutes to make a decision and pack a bag.
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Post by aline on Aug 17, 2022 8:59:55 GMT
I think what really gets me not really minding a lot of this is just the emphasis that so few people are actually going? Like, even if they're invited they're not being forced, and ironically the large amounts of etheric people in the court means even among the people allowed to go, very few will. Like, if Janet's not going her father isn't, even if he's been a big proponent of the plan so far. So it just honestly seems like there won't really be any consequences cause a handful of people decide to leave and never come back. Even without it's master plan pushing some stuff in the background most of the court probably won't even notice they're gone Yes was thinking about this as well. So if the people who are running all this all leave to form their own super non-etheric planet, then what? Apart from those who are split from friends and family on the other side of the divide, who really loses here? Let them leave, and live in the remains of the Court without them If they were leaving behind a working city and making some attempts to make a transition, so the critical jobs left empty have new people trained to do them, then that might be an argument. But they're essentially leaving a sinking ship. The place is mostly destroyed, we already know school isn't really happening anymore. The robots who were maintaining the Court were sacrificed and destroyed (yeah, they're becoming New People now, but that's not thanks to the Court). There's a crazy God roaming the place who wants vengeance and they're happy to not do anything about it. In a small isolated society like this, even a few people leaving can be a huge burden. Knowledge gets lost. There aren't enough doctors/teachers/what have you anymore. The fairies and forest creatures who worked for them don't have valuable jobs anymore, because what they did was purely for the great project they're not invited to join, and yet no one ever taught them any other skills. I'm not saying it's impossible for the people left behind to survive, but just saying "good riddance" isn't going to put food on the table. And nobody even warned the "not invited" that they'd have to figure out a new government system and train new nurses while avoiding attacks from angry etheric creatures and solving a million over long-term problems their elites dropped in their lap.
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Post by aline on Aug 12, 2022 11:44:04 GMT
To be fair, I think the Love Boat cruise was screening and not experimenting on underage subjects without their knowledge or anyone's informed consent. If something unexpected happened during that screening, however, they probably would have been very interested. The exact quote is "We admit, this was to test the effect of the star ocean on the human body". That doesn't sound like screening. That sounds like shoving a bunch of kids on a ship to see if anything interesting happens to their body. Even if they weren't the first humans to try the ride it's definitely in the "experimenting on children" category. Also so far the Court has done whatever they wanted without giving a single f*** to either knowledge or consent, such as with the intense surveillance everbody seems to be subjected to (to a degree that would put most police states to shame). Even worse, they admit that the ocean was designed to be unpleasant for ether atuned people and they still put Zimmy on that ship, presumably to check exactly how ill she'd be.
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Post by aline on Aug 12, 2022 10:03:21 GMT
What gives them the idea that this new world will remain free of the Ether one humans start living and dying there? I get the impression that the Ether is a creation of living beings. If so does the Court know this? I think that's one reason they selected their batch of people so very carefully. Maybe they know or they assume that people without any affinity to the ether don't create or feed it either. And they either know or assume that the offsprings of such people wouldn't either. So I guess we're adding eugenics to the core beliefs of this new magic-free utopia.
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Post by aline on Aug 12, 2022 9:30:27 GMT
I like how casually the speaker essentially states, "we were in fact putting the kids into potential danger to test things out. But hey, it all worked out okay!" "We needed human test subjects, so we sent the kids alone with a robot crew." I mean. There wasn't a single adult on that ship. No doctors or even the shadow of an authority figure to monitor in case something went wrong. Not ONE. Cool cool cool.
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