lovecraft1024
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Post by lovecraft1024 on May 31, 2010 23:54:57 GMT
Jone is...
... a force of nature.
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Post by todd on Jun 1, 2010 0:02:47 GMT
1) Annie -did- try to bring Shadow 2 to the teachers' attention. He wouldn't let himself be seen. But she doesn't think of persuading him to stop hiding after talking to him (all of her efforts to tell the teachers about him were *before* she began talking to him). Good point - though did Annie know at the time that the Dragon Slayer was working for the Court? True; the Court and the Woods aren't at true peace (may not have been ever since the trouble began, back when Coyote made the chasm). Just an absence of armed hostility, which isn't the same thing as peace. Not to mention that Jack believes that the Court's a corrupt organization. Whatever we can say about Annie's actions in other cases, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, she isn't responsible for Jack being infected in the first place. The blame goes to a combination of the Court's experiments with the ether and Jack's habit of sneaking out at night; they'd have crossed with disastrous results even without Annie's presence. True, though there's still the argument that a lot of the time, there might have been less trouble if she'd taken the teachers into her confidence and gotten information from them. (And near the start of Chapter Twenty-seven, Kat and Reynardine themselves admit that she wouldn't be in danger so often if she didn't keep meddling.) Good point.
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Post by Casey on Jun 1, 2010 2:07:22 GMT
Well thank you sir for being so agreeable! I think Kat and Rey are right in what you said, that Annie wouldn't be in so many predicaments if she didn't keep meddling. I think though that Annie's tendency to want to take care of things, and to right wrongs, is probably a strong reason why she's a good candidate to be a Medium.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 1, 2010 2:14:07 GMT
3) The increased frictions between the Court and the Wood were a ruse perpetrated by Ysengrin. He explicitly said that they were content to ignore the bridge incident, believing a human had been killed in the process. But remember the entire incident happened in the first place not because Annie sent Robot over the bridge, but because Ysengrin used it as an opportunity to send Robot -back- over the bridge to deliberately cause harm or stir up trouble or whatever. When that didn't work, he buried the Tic Toc to give him something else besides the bridge incident to gripe over. Annie didn't cause the rift... it was already there, and Ysengrin was just looking for an opening to exploit. Ysengrin wouldn't have had those opportunities if not for Annie's actions. Of course, you could say that he would just have waited and used some different excuse to stir up trouble (and you might even be right), but even so, this lead to a worse outcome than it would have if Annie had, for instance, sought experienced outside help. There's also this whole Jack episode, which could at least potentially have been handled much better if she'd been proactive about getting him some help a long time ago, when he started acting weird. Edit: And if things don't go well on the roof and Jack ends up dead/seriously injured/a soulless husk of his former self, Jones herself will also be largely responsible, since she at least is supposed to be the responsible adult in this situation.
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Post by Casey on Jun 1, 2010 2:40:10 GMT
Of course, you could say that he would just have waited and used some different excuse to stir up trouble (and you might even be right) Yes you're right, I would say exactly that. In fact, Jones points out in Chapter 17 that they had already been training multiple mediums because the Forest had been getting restless. The storm was coming before Annie sent Robot over the bridge As far as Annie knew, she was just helping a shadow person to get home. There's several ramifications to that. One, she couldn't have known how the Forest would react, so she couldn't be expected to take that into consideration when weighing whether or not she should seek help. Two, helping a lost shadow person to get home wouldn't necessarily strike a youngster as something that requires adult help in and of itself, any more than flipping over a turtle stuck on its back or getting a mouse out of a bucket. Three, Shadow 2 was already demonstrating an aversion to being seen by anyone other than Annie, so even if the above two factors didn't exist, she still knew that she'd have no luck getting help from an adult even if she thought that she ought to. From whom? Annie has already been told that the Court now disdains the etheric, and she probably figured that she is in fact the most qualified person in the Court to help Jack, for an array of reasons. And indeed, it might well be that she is right. I think it's important to note here that Annie's intention is now, as it was before (according to her words), to -help- Jack, not to stop Jack. In fact she already tried the route of "let them help you" in the ether station, so I think she's done her due diligence as far as trying to get him over to someone "in authority". Now, it's time for her to say "Jack, let ME help you." Which is exactly what I think Jones is implying to Annie, that that course of action is the one that's more likely to succeed.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 1, 2010 4:59:54 GMT
"You're the aspiring Medium. Go do the job." I'm fine with it. Likewise! She went through her sort of fear of getting in trouble phase, and now, thanks to some sort of encouragement from Jones, is ready, without hesitation, to go on to the next step. I don't have much basis for saying this, but it's my impression/belief that Jones probably would have been OK with Annie coming to her if she felt she needed help resolving the situation. However, having started this on her own, Annie should see it through to the end. I'd also fully expect that if Antimony had gone to Jones for help before meeting Jack, Jones would have expected her to abide by whatever decisions she/the Court made to resolve the situation. OTOH, I suppose Jones could've reacted the same way as she did when Annie brought up Jeanne: "I think Jack's in trouble. He's asked to meet me at night, and I don't know why." "Well, come back when you do." Inscrutable!
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Post by xheralt on Jun 1, 2010 5:23:45 GMT
So, Jones is: 1) dispassionate to the point of being nearly emotionless. 2) able to understand emotions intellectually (the professor's flowers) 3) not bothered with human concerns -- doesn't care about getting wet or dirty 4) disregards property values -- smashes wall. assumed it will simply be repaired? 5) unwilling (unable?) to take her feet from the earth -- smashes wall instead. 5a) is she too heavy, or under a geas (in the classic sense of taboo)? Or linked to earth elementally?
I like the golem/bio-construct theory. That seems like something the Court would do, except she's too well done, independant, and seemingly beyond Court control -- something they would never stand for, if that had any input in the matter. If she's not the Court's, then whose?
There were hints of Brynnie (Brunhilda?) being a Valkyrie, or other supernatural agent. EDIT:maybe she IS Brynnie? I read back, they are separate people.
Maybe a sister Valkyrie? Immortal. Powerful. The Choosers of The Slain would have to be dispassionate, and being not human, not herself interested in love or subject to vanity, but aware of it; being demigodlike, not especially concerned with mortal property. It fits with the prevalance of psychopomps. Don't know how this relates to her unwillingness to climb a wall; that's the only piece that doesn't fit. That might be a geas/ban/taboo, magically enforced? But hey, this is a thread for speculations, so there it is...
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 1, 2010 7:25:01 GMT
(...) 4) disregards property values -- smashes wall. assumed it will simply be repaired? 5) unwilling (unable?) to take her feet from the earth -- smashes wall instead. 5a) is she too heavy, or under a geas (in the classic sense of taboo)? Or linked to earth elementally? (...) ...or she might just be in a hurry, because she is aware that if they dilly dally for too long, Jack will slip through their fingers again. And in her case the shortest possible route is indeeed the quickest, i.e. throught the wall, and not over it.
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Post by biggerj on Jun 1, 2010 12:25:20 GMT
I wonder how much effort it would take to fix Jones' hand. I wouldn't mind Tom taking so long to fix it that he posts a small picture saying "This is a picture of a cat. Enjoy it because THIS IS ALL YOU'RE GETTING TODAY YOU PEDANTIC FUCKS"
Actually, I would prefer it.
Edit: I forgot that he has a backlog. But if fixing the image were to take long enough, it might pose a slight risk to the backlog's length.
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Post by menschenjaeger on Jun 1, 2010 12:42:07 GMT
Golem.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Jun 1, 2010 13:02:36 GMT
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Post by Snes on Jun 1, 2010 16:33:25 GMT
Tom fixed her hand. She now has four fingers again.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 1, 2010 17:05:27 GMT
Well, there goes my Count Rugen theory.
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Post by the bandit on Jun 1, 2010 17:38:44 GMT
5a) is she too heavy, or under a geas (in the classic sense of taboo)? Or linked to earth elementally? She did not use the rope for the same reason she did not use the dock: her weight would break it. She just took a trip in a boat so it's not an elemental link to the earth.
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qmarx
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Post by qmarx on Jun 1, 2010 21:35:20 GMT
Wasn't there some Greek sculpture of a woman that came to life? We've seen other reinterpreted Greek mythology, so it doesn't seem too far beyond the realm of plausibility.
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Post by Casey on Jun 1, 2010 22:03:38 GMT
Wasn't there some Greek sculpture of a woman that came to life? We've seen other reinterpreted Greek mythology, so it doesn't seem too far beyond the realm of plausibility. Do a board search for "Galatea".
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 1, 2010 22:04:29 GMT
That would be Galatea.
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Post by Per on Jun 1, 2010 23:07:58 GMT
There are also the golden handmaidens of Hefaistos, one of which turns up in a story of mine.
(She punches her way through plate glass, rips open a metal door and also punches a hole in a concrete wall, however she does not push her fingers against it because that would have resulted in herself being pushed back instead; you need the power of immovability to fix that.)
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lovecraft1024
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Jun 2, 2010 0:20:39 GMT
Jones, Inc.
For all your etheric mentorship needs. True, *through-the-box* thinking.
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Necropaxx
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Post by Necropaxx on Jun 2, 2010 1:45:22 GMT
I love Antimony's face in the third panel: "whaaaa?"
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Post by cazador on Jun 2, 2010 1:58:40 GMT
Jones is not a robot... because Jones is a terminator! A cybernetic organism! (Not a robot)
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Post by czymsim on Jun 7, 2010 17:03:27 GMT
You're all wrong, Jones is so obviously a Jägermonster. The Court is controlling her by keeping her hat hostage.
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