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Post by Per on May 30, 2010 15:58:43 GMT
Best beware the robot witch.
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Post by legion on May 30, 2010 16:41:18 GMT
Plus, I wasn't saying they were literaly Jesus-Christians, but more like, the closest thing the Gunnerverse has to generic Judeo-Christians believers.
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Post by cortin on May 30, 2010 17:51:21 GMT
Here's what I think about Jones, given that -She has a high position in the court, but we are not entirely certain what that position is, other than that she works with the mediums to the forest -Her personality is the opposite of bubbly and soulful -Her body does not appear to age or be damaged. -She has a relationship with the protector of the court -Her general appearance -Her superpowers -Her lack of a name further than 'Jones' (see tom's formspring answers)
I believe that Jones is Jeanne. This sounds crazy, but hear me out. In the flashback, Jeanne was lowered into the waters and a special arrow, one that we think has connotations to splitting or cutting rope, was shot into the ravine as well. Her soul remains down there, but her body was never found. I think that Jeanne's body, split from its soul, became an immortal superhuman.. thing, with the color drained from her eyes. This would answer why she has no identity, why she is so dry, and why she doesn't die. It doesn't answer how she got out of the ravine and into good graces with the court, or why she is so darned heavy.
Of course, if this were the case, it would answer more questions than it raises, which doesn't seem to be Tom's style. Just wanted to know what you all think of this postulation.
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Post by cortin on May 30, 2010 17:55:05 GMT
Oops. Theory nixed, Jones went to school with the rest of the kids and knew Surma and Eglamore from back then. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=540Edit: Wrong again, Tom said she didn't go to school with them (more formspring searching.) So maybe Eglamore already had connections with the immortal Jones?
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Post by tyler on May 30, 2010 21:16:37 GMT
She doesn't look anything like Jeanne, though.
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Post by Rex on May 31, 2010 0:24:24 GMT
What's interesting is that Rey says she's touchy about her weight, and we can see here (and from way back in Parley's room) that she's heavier than a woman of her height and build should be. However, we can see that just before she falls into the water you can see her getting ready to jump over.
If she's dense enough to destroy walls and sink that badly, how did she not damage the railing when she lept off? Someone in the comments also pointed out that her hair doesn't seem to have that density issue as it's floating on the top of the water. Are we to assume that it's just Jone's body proper (head, torso, arms and legs) that weigh a ton?
I'm trying to get a good idea as to how much she could weigh, given Tom's comment. She's clearly not dense enough to have enough weight to fall through the floor in Parley's room or buckle the floors elsewhere in the court (or even sink into the wet sand/soil of the beach).
My guess is that she weighs less than the maximum pounds per square foot that the average hardwood floor can manage. This would mean that she has the strength to lift and move her extremely heavy body, and the density needed to jam your hand into a concrete wall.
Edit: Here's my try at one of those ~magical~ ideas about Jones: She's not human but some form of etheric creature, possibly in the service of Gunnerverse's equivalent of 'God'. She simply goes by "Jones", a last name. This implies rigid formality, considering the institutions that typically refer to people with their last name. Next is the meaning of the name, which links back to the possibility that she may be related to divine ("favored by God" as per the meaning, of partial angelic parentage) or may simply be an angel herself.
It'd all make sense. All the comments from a myriad of characters implying she's been at the Court for a long time, the Flashback to Mr. Eglamore's time as a student in the school (and Tom's comment about her not being a student then): They all hint at Jones being around for quite some time.
There's one problem with this: Zimmy's situation seems to imply that she's not a student at Gunnerkrigg Court proper, rather someone they let meander while they observe her. That'd put Tom's comment about her into context. Jones could've been like her, which would mean she's of similar age to Eglamore so the non-aging business is out the window. It also could point to a possible reason why Surma didn't like her, no one seems to like Zimmy outside of Gamma.
If she was a teacher in Eglamore's youth, she should visibly be about the Headmaster's age. Though if she's some sort of angel, she probably isn't going to age. Even in 30 JIGGAWATTS HYPER MAGICAL ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH THINKING MODE I can't think of why an angel would be dense.
That said, I much prefer the first bit of speculation to the first.
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Post by tyler on May 31, 2010 0:36:27 GMT
If she's not made of meat and bone, she could easily be more dense and less buoyant without causing a floor to collapse. Your refrigerator is heavier than you, and yet your kitchen floor is intact.
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Post by djublonskopf on May 31, 2010 1:00:22 GMT
I still think she's huge, and the tiny body's an illusion.
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Post by Rex on May 31, 2010 1:00:35 GMT
That's largely due to the fact that while the refrigerator being heavier than you isn't dense enough to fall through the floor, supports and all. As I said earlier floors have a maximum amount of weight they can take per square foot, as long as the ole fridge is less than that psf, it won't fall through. Her body has to be denser than the concrete she drove her hand into/the wall she crushed when destroying Jack's trinkets. To djublonskopf: Heh, someone in the page's comments mentioned that she might be some dragon compressed down into human form while retaining her original mass, which naturally increases her density. It just goes to one of my questions in my tome of a post about how she avoided damaging the railing of the ship when leaping over. Ok, I found a site with the typical density of conventional concrete (this is assuming that's what the court uses): hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/KatrinaJones.shtml2242 kg/m3 (conventional) Now I picked a well known dense metal as something Jones could possibly be made of: Iron. www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Density+of+ironThe density of a cubic meter of iron: 7874 kg/m^3 (kilograms per cubic meter) If she's made out of something even HALF as dense as iron, she'd be able to do what she did easily. That get her weight down to more realistic levels, while still adhering to both Tom's density comment and her most recent feats. Edit: Ok, I figured out that if she's about 5'4" or so she'd weigh 2,610 pounds (1180 kg) if she's as dense as iron. A wee bit too much, even for Ms. Dense.
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Post by jesses on May 31, 2010 2:19:18 GMT
Zimmy's situation seems to imply that she's not a student at Gunnerkrigg Court proper, rather someone they let meander while they observe her. What exactly IS Zimmy's status, because it does sound like Jones is implying that Zimmy isn't a student, and she has apparently been missing for some time, but we know what house she ostensibly is in -Chester South- www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=74 and she was chosen to represent that class in the Science Fair...
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 3:33:14 GMT
(Lots of pseudo-calculation type stuff Rex, I think I found within the comic a missing factor in your calculations. Take a look at Tom's note at the bottom of this page, I think it will help your math considerably.
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Post by Nicolescrib on May 31, 2010 5:01:02 GMT
I personally don't think she'll turn out to be an angel or anything of that sort, based on the comic so far. Tom's included mythology but no religion to speak of, aside from coyote's comment about the court trying to become god, which is pretty ambiguous. If she is an angel or god's servant or whatever, it won't really go with the rest of the story.
- I should note the robots' use of the word angel...they use it less in the religious sense and more in the "kat is wonderful" sense, I think.
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Post by Rex on May 31, 2010 6:29:03 GMT
(Lots of pseudo-calculation type stuff Rex, I think I found within the comic a missing factor in your calculations. Take a look at Tom's note at the bottom of this page, I think it will help your math considerably. I'm aware of that. Keep in mind that it's somewhat laughable to imply a character is something that carries substantial mechanical complications, and then hide behind "it's a work of fiction" when people start asking questions. I simply what I could glean from the page and took it to its logical end. I'm sure you wouldn't be so blasé if Tom jumped the shark in some future arc and simply linked us back to that page's comment. Otherwise we'd be like Bleach fans being jerked left and right by Kubo.
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Post by Snes on May 31, 2010 6:54:58 GMT
That's why these are called "epileptic trees"... ;D Oooh, careful. Talk like that can get a fellow shot around these parts. Also, the only way the robots would be Christian is if they professed a belief in Jesus Christ as described in the Bible, which they obviously have not. Lots of works use Christian symbols, themes, and concepts while not actually having anything to do with the religion. I wouldn't be surprised if GC did the same.
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Post by TBeholder on May 31, 2010 9:26:15 GMT
Oops. Theory nixed, Jones went to school with the rest of the kids and knew Surma and Eglamore from back then. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=540Edit: Wrong again, Tom said she didn't go to school with them (more formspring searching.) So maybe Eglamore already had connections with the immortal Jones? Didn't saw it. On the forum he answered that she wasn't "taught at the court"... On the other hand, it's still possible they wanted to be photogrophed next to her the same way people want to be photographed with a celebrity or a cool landmark. I personally don't think she'll turn out to be an angel or anything of that sort, based on the comic so far. Tom's included mythology but no religion to speak of, aside from coyote's comment about the court trying to become god, which is pretty ambiguous. If she is an angel or god's servant or whatever, it won't really go with the rest of the story. - I should note the robots' use of the word angel...they use it less in the religious sense and more in the "kat is wonderful" sense, I think. Why do i think you just hopelessly entangled yourself?
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Post by hal9000 on May 31, 2010 10:17:10 GMT
Her body has to be denser than the concrete she drove her hand into/the wall she crushed when destroying Jack's trinkets. Not necessarily her entire body, considering that, for instance, even normal human bodies aren't uniformly dense. It is possible that she has a denser, possibly artificially-reinforced skeletal structure with sufficiently-tough skin and superhuman musculature, which would explain both her recent feats and her increased (but not excessively so) weight.
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Post by Rex on May 31, 2010 10:51:43 GMT
Good catch, hal. I went head on without factoring in that very important detail.
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Post by La Goon on May 31, 2010 12:51:40 GMT
Perhaps Jones is capable of exploiting some weird quantum mechanical effect to manipulate her own mass and weight at will.
It seams to me that punching through that wall without pushing herself backwards, and at the same time avoid sinking down through the sand, her mass would need to be greatly larger than her weight.
An extremely large mass would also explain her ability to block a sword with her face (a very large amount of energy required to move any of her molecules). Actually she would only need to increase the mass of a small portion of her face and for a very short time (but at an extreme magnitude) to do that.
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Post by legion on May 31, 2010 13:03:09 GMT
Also, the only way the robots would be Christian is if they professed a belief in Jesus Christ as described in the Bible, which they obviously have not. Lots of works use Christian symbols, themes, and concepts while not actually having anything to do with the religion. I wouldn't be surprised if GC did the same. Again: I didn't say they were *literally* Christians. I said they were *the closest thing this universe has to generic Abrahamic believers*.
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Post by violet on May 31, 2010 16:26:02 GMT
What do you think would happen if she focused blinker's fire into single outburst covering only Jack's matchbox-sized bug (or even all of them at once), not limiting interaction and going all out? The spiders are ethereal, if indeed they exist at all. I don't know what would happen. I don't expect she does, either. I'm also not at all sure that the blinker stone can create explosions explosions or real fire (though the latter may be necessary for future parallel structure with the salamander). Tom's included mythology but no religion to speak of, aside from coyote's comment about the court trying to become god, which is pretty ambiguous. Coyote is a religious figure.
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 17:24:49 GMT
That's a circular argument anyway, since religion is mythology.
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Post by Pig_catapult on May 31, 2010 20:45:20 GMT
I have a theory!
Jones is AWESOME.
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Post by the bandit on Jun 1, 2010 15:40:15 GMT
Also, the only way the robots would be Christian is if they professed a belief in Jesus Christ as described in the Bible, which they obviously have not. Lots of works use Christian symbols, themes, and concepts while not actually having anything to do with the religion. I wouldn't be surprised if GC did the same. Again: I didn't say they were *literally* Christians. I said they were *the closest thing this universe has to generic Abrahamic believers*. No. Your own arguments match them closer with occultic groups than Abrahamic believers.
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Post by legion on Jun 1, 2010 17:26:43 GMT
There's no match for occultic groups, you don't get laid when you indulge in such silliness.
*bah dum ching*
Alternative version of this post: I… what?
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Post by warrl on Jun 2, 2010 21:48:01 GMT
How much does Rey know about Jones? Seems like he's never surprised by anything she does - just amused. So it would seem to me that Annie could ask *him* about Jones, if she were actually intimidated too much by her, or embarrassed by the potential awkwardness... She did. (Last two panels of linked comic, first panel of next)By the way, anyone else think that panel 5 would make a great avatar? I know why Jones doesn't use a first name. You probably wouldn't either, if your first name were Apocalypse. ;D but again, if she is just an animated statue, why would Coyote not be able say what she is. Just a reminder: what we have is Rey's opinion that Coyote could not answer the question of what Jones is. On-screen, nobody has actually asked Coyote. And if Coyote in fact could not answer, this could possibly be a consequence of not knowing Jones.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 2, 2012 5:32:10 GMT
I'm surprised nobody saw or mentioned the Kill Bill reference in the last two panels. Or maybe it wasn't a Kill Bill reference. Three inch punch anyone? No? Okay. x)
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