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Post by Mylian on Aug 13, 2009 18:47:31 GMT
That was my thinking. Annie can't have observed the Court during a previous aerial approach, because she hadn't seen it from above before that. If there was a helicopter, she must somehow have been unable to see (or remember) the terrain.
And the waters surrounding a circular Court still doesn't solve the geographical problem of how to fit something of this magnitude inside Britain without everybody complaining that it's occupying the greater part of the country. Maybe you approach a part of the Court that coincides with "reality" in order to enter the Court proper.
Here's a thought exercise that just crossed my mind. What if through some paradimensional geometry the Annan Waters encircled both the Wood and the Court at the same time while simultaneously separating them? Picture whatever continuum contains Court and Wood as a sphere. The Court occupies one hemisphere, or greater than a hemisphere now. The Wood occupies the opposite less-than-half. Between them, a circular Annan Waters divides the sphere along its own contiguous plane. And yet, anyone or anything inside either Court or Wood sees the terrain they occupy as a level plane, and the Annan Waters and gorge as a straight channel between either side.
And people said there was nothing to analyze but cows in this page. XD
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Post by Mishmash on Aug 13, 2009 20:47:07 GMT
The greater part of the country? It is only supposed to be the size of a city! London has more people living in it than the whole of Scotland but it certainly doesn't take up the greater part of England.
And yes yes okay London is a pretty big example of a city but still.
I think the answer to this problem is that The Court is a fictional place and that is why it doesn't fit onto a map of Great Britain.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 13, 2009 20:47:47 GMT
I don't think there any para-dimensional jiggery-pokery going on here. We know that the Court is in the Forest and the Forest is in Britain. Just not -our- Britain. Tom's said that Eglamore was knighted by the Queen of England, but it's a different queen to Elizabeth II. I'm not going to use the phrase 'alternate universe', it's just a different Britain, and we don't know anything about it outside of the Court. For all we know there could be a conspiracy where the circumference of the Forest is fenced off by the government so nobody can get through. Also maps are banned. And planes....um.
Actually, I'm going to guess that the etheric nature of Gillitie Forest prevents anyone who doesn't have a reason for knowing it's there from, uh, knowing it's there. And as the Court is inside the Forest it gets the same etheric protection. It's like Hogwarts ;D
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Post by King Mir on Aug 14, 2009 1:35:46 GMT
On a different note, I'm surprised that in 60 posts nobody has mentioned the impressive load of firewood Eglamore can carry on his shoulder. Anyone who's carried firewood before knows that it's very heavy. And those look like particularly long slabs of wood. At least they do in panel 3.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 14, 2009 1:52:45 GMT
The greater part of the country? It is only supposed to be the size of a city! London has more people living in it than the whole of Scotland but it certainly doesn't take up the greater part of England. And yes yes okay London is a pretty big example of a city but still. I think the answer to this problem is that The Court is a fictional place and that is why it doesn't fit onto a map of Great Britain. It's a lot bigger than a city judging by everything we've seen. Look how far the girls had to travel in order to get to the power station, which then shot a beam of energy clear beyond the horizon even seen from an elevation, to then be theoretically received by another unseen power station still inside the Court. Which, even though it would presumably have a tall antenna similar in scale to the broadcast station, was not visible at all. Any city would be made to feel inadequate compared to the colossally vast scales dealing with the environments we've been shown. When the girls took a brief aerial view, the bit of the Court they could see was on the scale of a city, and with almost every other chapter we are shown something of equal scale deeper in the Court. Here's another clue, when it was described how the first humans came to Gillitie Wood, it implies "they came here" to get away from the rest of humanity. And humanity occupied the British Isles quite a long time ago, I don't think you could consider them at all remote as places to get away from humanity go, especially in the relatively recent eras denoted by the outfits of the few members of the founding of the Court. So why would they go to Britain to get away from the rest of humanity unless it was simply as a step to someplace else? (Personally, if I wanted to get away from humanity, I'd hit the middle of Canada. You wouldn't have to go too far north at all before the population starts thinning, and not too much farther after that you'd find territory with only the rare occurrence of encountering another person. I could believe that a place as gigantic as the Court could be dropped into the middle of Canada without too much trouble at all.)
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Post by katybee on Aug 14, 2009 2:45:55 GMT
...I'd hit the middle of Canada. You wouldn't have to go too far north at all before the population starts thinning, and not too much farther after that you'd find territory with only the rare occurrence of encountering another person. I could believe that a place as gigantic as the Court could be dropped into the middle of Canada without too much trouble at all.) As a Canadian I gotta say Canada is pretty friggin' huge, so in that sense, the theory works. The flaw is that Coyote is FROM North America (there are Coyote legends from Canada's First Nations too, not just American Natives); and he was very explicit in Ch. 20 saying that he left North America for Europe/UK sometime in the past.
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Post by Casey on Aug 14, 2009 4:38:33 GMT
It's a lot bigger than a city judging by everything we've seen. Look how far the girls had to travel in order to get to the power station, which then shot a beam of energy clear beyond the horizon even seen from an elevationSheerly for the mental exercise, I went ahead and calculated the distance to the horizon from that scene. I judge from this page that the building they were on top of is ~20 stories high, or about 200 feet off the ground. From an observation point 200 feet off the ground, the horizon would be 17.3 miles away. Just in case anyone was curious.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 14, 2009 4:45:39 GMT
So the artificial lake itself would be about 17 miles wide, going from the building they're on to the horizon.
Now we estimate how much taller the antenna is, assume the receiving antenna is of similar height, and calculate how far it'd have to be away before the antenna can't be seen on the horizon from that height?
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Post by Casey on Aug 14, 2009 4:51:15 GMT
That's an interesting question. To make the math simple, let's just say the tower is twice as high as the building. They're looking slightly up at it even from their vantage point. So if we have object A here, which is 200 feet tall, and object B there, which is 400 feet tall, and you want them situated such that they just cannot see each other, right? Well that would be:
sqrt(1.5x) + sqrt(1.5y)
sqrt(1.5(200) + sqrt(1.5(400)
sqrt(300) + sqrt(600)
17.32 + 24.49
41.81 miles.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 14, 2009 5:13:57 GMT
Yeah. Place is bloody huge.
(And katy, I wasn't suggesting that it actually WAS in Canada. Just that it'd fit there.)
Oh and King Mir, I remarked about that to my wife as we read the page. (We read Gunnerkrigg together. ^_^) He just whips those split logs up on one shoulder like they were nothing and saunters.
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Post by the bandit on Aug 14, 2009 14:32:52 GMT
Here's a thought exercise that just crossed my mind. What if through some paradimensional geometry the Annan Waters encircled both the Wood and the Court at the same time while simultaneously separating them? Picture whatever continuum contains Court and Wood as a sphere. The Court occupies one hemisphere, or greater than a hemisphere now. The Wood occupies the opposite less-than-half. Between them, a circular Annan Waters divides the sphere along its own contiguous plane. And yet, anyone or anything inside either Court or Wood sees the terrain they occupy as a level plane, and the Annan Waters and gorge as a straight channel between either side. Visual aid from the Tarot project. ...so the Court is at least as large as the Houston or DFW metroplexes in Texas (40-60 miles length/width).
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Post by Casey on Aug 14, 2009 15:26:42 GMT
Fellow Texan Hello Wave, Bandit! I'm in Austin, I was born and raised in Houston. And on topic: Yes, and keep in mind that even that would be assuming the building was on one edge of the city and the recieving station was on the other edge. It's more likely that neither of those things is true. On the other hand though, we're applying logic and math to a comic, which may not have been intended to be interpreted so literally. *shrug*
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Post by fuzzyone on Aug 14, 2009 16:43:38 GMT
(Singing)
If you wonder about the scale of things, And other Science facts (lalala) Just repeat to yourself 'This is just a comic, and I really should relax...'
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 14, 2009 17:22:37 GMT
Willie: "We're right here!" Janet: "We were not doing anything behind that tree!" Sure thing. Actually, I'm going to guess that the etheric nature of Gillitie Forest prevents anyone who doesn't have a reason for knowing it's there from, uh, knowing it's there. And as the Court is inside the Forest it gets the same etheric protection. Considering that those Court's founders people were hiding from someone or something, good point.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 14, 2009 19:57:24 GMT
Here's a thought exercise that just crossed my mind. What if through some paradimensional geometry the Annan Waters encircled both the Wood and the Court at the same time while simultaneously separating them? Picture whatever continuum contains Court and Wood as a sphere. The Court occupies one hemisphere, or greater than a hemisphere now. The Wood occupies the opposite less-than-half. Between them, a circular Annan Waters divides the sphere along its own contiguous plane. And yet, anyone or anything inside either Court or Wood sees the terrain they occupy as a level plane, and the Annan Waters and gorge as a straight channel between either side. Visual aid from the Tarot project. ...so the Court is at least as large as the Houston or DFW metroplexes in Texas (40-60 miles length/width). That one segment of the Court, somewhere inside the rest of the Court. (Singing) If you wonder about the scale of things, And other Science facts (lalala) Just repeat to yourself 'This is just a comic, and I really should relax...' 'Cept we aren't nitpicking, we're doing it for fun. We're brains, this is how we relax. ^_^
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 16, 2009 17:54:35 GMT
You guys never cease to amaze me... How from cows we manage to measure the lower limit of the Court's diameter... On a different note, I'm surprised that in 60 posts nobody has mentioned the impressive load of firewood Eglamore can carry on his shoulder. Anyone who's carried firewood before knows that it's very heavy. And those look like particularly long slabs of wood. At least they do in panel 3. He's a man's man alright. For a guy that can single-bound hundreds of feet through the air? Those slabs of wood are nothing. After indirectly showing off his chest on the prior page, one *expects* him to show off his manly maleness. And that makes me fall in love even deeper with Jones... A gal that can whup the arse of the manly man's man.
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