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Post by Mylian on Aug 12, 2009 19:19:42 GMT
Wait... they call that a "park"? This thing is huge! And this thing is just one small part somewhere in the depths of the Court. A drop in the bucket. Just where in the hell IS Gunnerkrigg Court? Because the more we see of it, the more it seems that comparing it to a city is far too much of an understatement. I mean, if you plotted this thing out, can you imagine just how much of Britain it would occupy? So where exactly is it all? Is it built across some sort of alternate dimension? If you traveled along the river in either direction from the bridge, where would you see an end of Court or Wood? Do the Annan Waters even have a beginning or end? And an even more important question to some, if you found yourself anywhere in this vast Wood/Court complex, how in the heck would you get OUT?
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Post by Per on Aug 12, 2009 19:43:56 GMT
I think this is Sutton Park and we're seeing Birmingham in the distance.
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Post by xanbcoo on Aug 12, 2009 20:54:02 GMT
Que vacas tan negros, Paz.
I love the fog that's been present in the last few pages. Really unnerving atmosphere.
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Post by bluemotion on Aug 12, 2009 22:06:34 GMT
I think Eggers looks much better with his longer hair. It gives him a (even more) rugged look.
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Post by Hnokki on Aug 12, 2009 22:10:43 GMT
I think Eggers looks much better with his longer hair. I didn't even notice that. Neat.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 12, 2009 23:12:32 GMT
The mist seems to be there to disguise the massive buildings in the background, make the park seem more realistic. This is certainly not a remaining part of the Forest at any rate - too few trees, too much grass, too many cows. I'm guessing at some point a decision was made to turn some of the Court into the park. Maybe it was even the site of the last great experiment - after it finished or failed or whatever they didn't need to keep the area built on so they stuck some moors there.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 12, 2009 23:22:56 GMT
Wait...Why the hell are there cows there? There aren't any wild cows anymore, they've all been domesticated or eaten by other animals because they are so delicious and easy to catch. Maybe the park is a farm part-time, so that cows can share the wonderful wealth of fresh grass.
Modern crop rotation, high-fertility crops (Wheat and whatnot), Low-fertility crops (Potatoes, yay!), grass/cows/park.
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Post by Casey on Aug 12, 2009 23:36:22 GMT
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Post by Mylian on Aug 12, 2009 23:50:44 GMT
Wait...Why the hell are there cows there? There aren't any wild cows anymore, they've all been domesticated or eaten by other animals because they are so delicious and easy to catch. Maybe the park is a farm part-time, so that cows can share the wonderful wealth of fresh grass. Modern crop rotation, high-fertility crops (Wheat and whatnot), Low-fertility crops (Potatoes, yay!), grass/cows/park. They'd have to, to be self-sufficient. Even with as sparse a population as there seems to be, it'd be logistically improbable to expect outside sources alone to supply such an unbelievably vast facility. It's almost a given that, somewhere in the Court, there are fields of whatever kind of crop could be needed. Grains, textiles, what have you. On the other hand, it doesn't seem quite right that a place called "Young's Park" would be rotated to farmland for crops. But letting the livestock free-range there makes sense, as where else would they graze?
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Post by Casey on Aug 13, 2009 0:03:36 GMT
It's actually so they can get an Ag Exemption on their property taxes.
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Post by katybee on Aug 13, 2009 0:32:12 GMT
They'd have to, to be self-sufficient. Even with as sparse a population as there seems to be, it'd be logistically improbable to expect outside sources alone to supply such an unbelievably vast facility. It's almost a given that, somewhere in the Court, there are fields of whatever kind of crop could be needed. Grains, textiles, what have you. On the other hand, it doesn't seem quite right that a place called "Young's Park" would be rotated to farmland for crops. But letting the livestock free-range there makes sense, as where else would they graze? I've never thought about it, but that makes complete sense. The more we read, the more it seems like a fairly independent, city-state. It's so huge, and the more I see, the more this sounds about right to me. Has anyone else gotten that sense, or is it just me?
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 13, 2009 0:39:12 GMT
They'd have to, to be self-sufficient. Even with as sparse a population as there seems to be, it'd be logistically improbable to expect outside sources alone to supply such an unbelievably vast facility. It's almost a given that, somewhere in the Court, there are fields of whatever kind of crop could be needed. Grains, textiles, what have you. On the other hand, it doesn't seem quite right that a place called "Young's Park" would be rotated to farmland for crops. But letting the livestock free-range there makes sense, as where else would they graze? Yeah, I get that much, but it is somewhat...odd, so to speak, to find cows grazing in a camping area. I've been in a lot of sites over the years, generally about two dozen throughout the summer, and I've never seen a cow there. Actually, I did once, but that had a reasonable explanation, and there was only one, not the several we see here. What I'm saying is that maintained public areas generally aren't the best of places to keep a herd of cattle. Although I'm not exactly an experienced farmer, they usually need some sort of personal care so as not to go do something stupid and kill themselves. It's a big place, there's enough room for a little dedicated farmland, even if it's in one of those artificial habitats.
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Post by rageboy on Aug 13, 2009 1:14:51 GMT
I think Eggers looks much better with his longer hair. It gives him a (even more) rugged look. Two posts and no introduction thread post? Welcome to the forums!
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Post by MesÃas on Aug 13, 2009 2:40:56 GMT
Young's Park is remind me more and more to some rural areas and country states from Costa Rica. Like this one in the Coronado canton:
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Post by Mylian on Aug 13, 2009 2:43:55 GMT
To clarify, because I thought it might need it on re-reading my post, I wasn't saying that they wouldn't rotate pasture land for crops, just that a place deemed "Young's Park" would have more significance than a mostly utilitarian piece of land like that.
Come to think about it, all the trees would make it awfully difficult to use the land for crops. So more than just the important name implying that this space has a certain symbolic dignity above a simple agricultural use, there are environmental cues.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 13, 2009 3:07:33 GMT
Indeed, a utilitarian place such as that described must have an equal utilitarian name. For instance, 'That one park' or 'The park with the cows' or maybe 'The park that is generally reserved for strictly agricultural uses, mainly involving the husbandry, raising, and sale of cattle, which, as a result, really nulls the effectiveness of the word park, and will soon be presented before a summit of trained representatives for a more accurate renaming.'
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Post by fidodo on Aug 13, 2009 3:28:06 GMT
So, any predictions for the rest of the chapter? I'm anticipating a quiet relaxing outing.
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Post by Casey on Aug 13, 2009 3:32:05 GMT
I'm anticipating some teenage romance maybe.
Willie: "We're right here!"
Janet: "We were not doing anything behind that tree!"
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 13, 2009 3:47:05 GMT
So, any predictions for the rest of the chapter? I'm anticipating a quiet relaxing outing. A foggy and deeply-forested park would be a good setting to introduce a new reclusive character, or a new mysterious spot that connects to the other secrets of the court. Or maybe the gang will stumble through the woods and discover a golf course.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 13, 2009 4:49:34 GMT
Indeed, a utilitarian place such as that described must have an equal utilitarian name. For instance, 'That one park' or 'The park with the cows' or maybe 'The park that is generally reserved for strictly agricultural uses, mainly involving the husbandry, raising, and sale of cattle, which, as a result, really nulls the effectiveness of the word park, and will soon be presented before a summit of trained representatives for a more accurate renaming.' You do know who Young Park is named after, right? Somehow I can't imagine the guy having a farm named after him.
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Post by djublonskopf on Aug 13, 2009 4:51:10 GMT
I predict there will be storytelling around a campfire.
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Post by jon77 on Aug 13, 2009 9:42:55 GMT
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Post by jon77 on Aug 13, 2009 9:52:34 GMT
Wait... they call that a "park"? This thing is huge! And this thing is just one small part somewhere in the depths of the Court. A drop in the bucket. Just where in the hell IS Gunnerkrigg Court? Because the more we see of it, the more it seems that comparing it to a city is far too much of an understatement. I mean, if you plotted this thing out, can you imagine just how much of Britain it would occupy? So where exactly is it all? Is it built across some sort of alternate dimension? If you traveled along the river in either direction from the bridge, where would you see an end of Court or Wood? Do the Annan Waters even have a beginning or end? And an even more important question to some, if you found yourself anywhere in this vast Wood/Court complex, how in the heck would you get OUT? Well, I've got a theory. Remember when they saw the origin of the court, and Jones said it all started with a "Bismuth Seed"? Well....... what if the court is actually growing on its own and the people are just living inside it? What if none of the buildings have been built by humans, but just grew as the court expanded? There's gotta be a lot of holes in this theory, but there are some things it explains very well: Why the court is so big, so uninihabited, containing things outside of the Human's control (e.g. tic-tocs, and robots which maintain themselves). As to where it is, I always viewed the court and the forest as existing outside the real world, because they're so self-contained. I know there are connections to the outside (e.g. Kat's summer vacation, Zimmy's Birmingham, Gamma is Polish, Kat's mother is Russian or something), but in my mind I've been ignoring them
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Post by Seth Thresher on Aug 13, 2009 13:55:55 GMT
So, any predictions for the rest of the chapter? I'm anticipating a quiet relaxing outing. The mist clears, slowly revealing the cows to also be Tic Tocs, only cattle, instead of avian. It's the only possible scenario, really.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Aug 13, 2009 13:59:09 GMT
The mist clears, slowly revealing the cows to also be Tic Tocs, only cattle, instead of avian. It's the only possible scenario, really. That's a good guess. They'd probably look pretty ugly.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 13, 2009 15:28:18 GMT
Wait...Why the hell are there cows there? There aren't any wild cows anymore, they've all been domesticated or eaten by other animals because they are so delicious and easy to catch. Maybe the park is a farm part-time, so that cows can share the wonderful wealth of fresh grass. Seth stole my ideas: The mist clears, slowly revealing the cows to also be Tic Tocs, only cattle, instead of avian. Tic-Toc Cows. Cool I'm anticipating some teenage romance maybe. Willie: "We're right here!" Janet: "We were not doing anything behind that tree!" Whahahaha! That truly made me laugh out loud. I was hoping for more ParSmit romance... but they'll do nicely
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 13, 2009 15:36:32 GMT
I'm anticipating some teenage romance maybe. Willie: "We're right here!" Janet: "We were not doing anything behind that tree cow!" Fix'd.
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Aug 13, 2009 16:14:33 GMT
Its possible that Young's Park is actually a battlefield and is named after him because of some heroic deed of his (or something attributed to him) Many old battlefields are converted into parks, like the plains of Abraham in Quebec city.
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Post by Mylian on Aug 13, 2009 17:04:31 GMT
And this thing is just one small part somewhere in the depths of the Court. A drop in the bucket. Just where in the hell IS Gunnerkrigg Court? Because the more we see of it, the more it seems that comparing it to a city is far too much of an understatement. I mean, if you plotted this thing out, can you imagine just how much of Britain it would occupy? So where exactly is it all? Is it built across some sort of alternate dimension? If you traveled along the river in either direction from the bridge, where would you see an end of Court or Wood? Do the Annan Waters even have a beginning or end? And an even more important question to some, if you found yourself anywhere in this vast Wood/Court complex, how in the heck would you get OUT? Well, I've got a theory. Remember when they saw the origin of the court, and Jones said it all started with a "Bismuth Seed"? Well....... what if the court is actually growing on its own and the people are just living inside it? What if none of the buildings have been built by humans, but just grew as the court expanded? There's gotta be a lot of holes in this theory, but there are some things it explains very well: Why the court is so big, so uninihabited, containing things outside of the Human's control (e.g. tic-tocs, and robots which maintain themselves). As to where it is, I always viewed the court and the forest as existing outside the real world, because they're so self-contained. I know there are connections to the outside (e.g. Kat's summer vacation, Zimmy's Birmingham, Gamma is Polish, Kat's mother is Russian or something), but in my mind I've been ignoring them Which makes me wonder, what does the Court look like from the "real" world? What does one see when one arrives there from our side of wherever it is? There seems to be just something about it that makes people take it for granted and not really think about it.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 13, 2009 17:56:40 GMT
Which makes me wonder, what does the Court look like from the "real" world? What does one see when one arrives there from our side of wherever it is? There seems to be just something about it that makes people take it for granted and not really think about it. Tom's said a few things that might help with this conundrum. One thing is that the Court is in the middle of the Forest, and the Court now has a greater area than the Forest. I think the Annan Waters go around the Court like a moat, so the Court must have been that large before the eponymous Split, as the Court-goers do not cross the Waters. He has also said that people access the Court via helicopter (or is my memory playing tricks on me?), which raises the question: if they arrive from the air, why does Annie ask "Just how big is this place?"? Surely she would have seen from the air. Unless the chopper had no windows, or it's like the sub in Lost and they are sedated before the journey.
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