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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 19:48:44 GMT
Yup and it sounds like our guesses are used up! I THINK I know what it is but now I'm afraid it might be a spoiler.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 5, 2010 20:43:57 GMT
I still think the clay figure represents Jones.
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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 20:56:25 GMT
I still think the clay figure represents Jones. Well, so much for spoilers! But yeah, I think so too, except Tom said its already been addressed in the comic and there's been no great reveal about Jones being anything yet.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Oct 6, 2010 14:42:17 GMT
I still think the clay figure represents Jones. Well, so much for spoilers! Pfft. A person doesn't need to put spoiler warnings over mere guesswork. It could even be seen as arrogant for someone to do so, as it'd imply they were so sure of their guess that it actually spoils something to others. "addressed" doesn't mean its full importance needs have been revealed. The question of what Jones is has indeed been addressed - though not yet answered. Excellent theory about the clay figurine representing Jones, btw! I like it too.
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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 14:51:48 GMT
Well, so much for spoilers! Pfft. A person doesn't need to put spoiler warnings over mere guesswork. It could even be seen as arrogant for someone to do so, as it'd imply they were so sure of their guess that it actually spoils something to others. This is true. I just fear spoiling stuff for others but you're right, its not like I've finished reading a book then came here to tell about the ending. (Edit: I blame Tom for this one! His formspring page says "no plot spoilers" and I'm always asking questions there but even he said we could ask anything, he just won't answer them!) The only thing that makes sense at this point is that the doll represents Jones. We know she has some unique properties and maybe to Tom, we should have figured this out already.
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Post by percival on Oct 6, 2010 16:44:31 GMT
Another late observation on this page: The gear over Kat's head looks like a halo to me. Fitting, since the robots believe she is an angel.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Oct 7, 2010 2:39:57 GMT
What's this "believe"? She /is/ an angel.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 7, 2010 8:01:32 GMT
The doll appears to be a Venus figurine of sorts.The Earth Mother.Possibly represnting Surma as Antimony's mother,since practically all of Antimony's adventures seem to be due to her being brought up in the hospital with Surma,where she met the various psychopomps and such. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_goddess
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Post by jayne on Oct 7, 2010 10:55:02 GMT
The first thing I thought of was Venus of Willendorf even thought this doll is much more svelte. That is a good point. It makes as much sense that this represents Annie's mother as it does that it means Jones.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 7, 2010 12:41:23 GMT
The first thing I thought of was Venus of Willendorf even thought this doll is much more svelte. That is a good point. It makes as much sense that this represents Annie's mother as it does that it means Jones. Most likely Venus of Willendorf.The nurturing mother,fertility,sensuality.I don't know about fertility,but there must have been something about Surma that made a FOX fall in love with her.And she seems like an earth mother type. The svelteness is just artistic license I suppose,and also the fact that Tom wants to make his comic safe for work(the etheric flashback scenes notwithstanding,though they aren't really that explicit anyway)
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Post by q3 on Oct 7, 2010 15:30:10 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 7, 2010 19:03:52 GMT
All of the other characters in the third Treatise have been identified as major players in book three. Surma's presence may be felt by Antimony through absence but I don't think Surma has had or will play an important part in book three, so I don't think the little venus-figure thinger is Surma. I don't even remember any Surma flashbacks at all in book three but at some point in the near future I'll reread those chapters to confirm/disprove my vague recollection. Pfft. A person doesn't need to put spoiler warnings over mere guesswork. It could even be seen as arrogant for someone to do so, as it'd imply they were so sure of their guess that it actually spoils something to others. I took that post of Jayne's you reference as a backhanded compliment.
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Post by jayne on Oct 7, 2010 20:48:33 GMT
I did too but he's right... it would be arrogant of me to assume I'm correct since we're all just guessing. No worries!
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 8, 2010 1:16:33 GMT
Hmm,who knows....who knows...time will tell. .Speaking of that,I found something interesting...if that thing really is a Venus doll,it might not be Surma,but associated with Antimony instead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_symbol Have a look at the alchemical symbol for Venus...seems familiar? edit:more info.... The elemental alchemy symbol for copper is also the planetary symbol for Venus. As such, this symbol embodies such characteristics as love, balance, feminine beauty, and artistic creativity.just food for thought though
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Post by Ristar on Oct 8, 2010 5:12:03 GMT
Don't know if someone have mentioned this, but i think the clay figurine represents the court. Think about the three aspects in the floor. A clay figurine, a sword (Jeanne) and a plant (Gillitie Wood); the sword is closer to the figurine than the plant (Remember that Jeanne died in the courts side).
Also, Annie's foot is between the Clay figurine and the plant..but more to the plant's side. Maybe representing her position in the whole business (sorry for the broken English =/ ...im still not used to write in this language)
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Post by blinkerstoned on Oct 8, 2010 5:20:08 GMT
Don't know if someone have mentioned this, but i think the clay figurine represents the court. Think about the three aspects in the floor. A clay figurine, a sword (Jeanne) and a plant (Gillitie Wood); the sword is closer to the figurine than the plant (Remember that Jeanne died in the courts side). Hmm...statue=golem=homunculus=man trying to become god by creating life?(the court is "man trying to become God")
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Post by Ristar on Oct 8, 2010 5:25:39 GMT
Don't know if someone have mentioned this, but i think the clay figurine represents the court. Think about the three aspects in the floor. A clay figurine, a sword (Jeanne) and a plant (Gillitie Wood); the sword is closer to the figurine than the plant (Remember that Jeanne died in the courts side). Hmm...statue=golem=homunculus=man trying to become god by creating life?(the court is "man trying to become God") I was thinking more like "the figurine is manmade, the plant is nature" way, but that one fits too
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