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Post by Count Casimir on Mar 30, 2009 6:13:04 GMT
They're good enough friends that Don calls him "Tony" and invites him to lunch in an informal tone. Every impression we've gotten until now of Anthony has been after his marriage to Surma and her subsequent death; things like that, as well as the fact that times and friends change after people graduate school, has probably shifted how the Marauders think of Tony.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Mar 30, 2009 6:28:29 GMT
This discussion makes me think that Anthony was possibly the guy that Reynardine possessed to get Surma. On the other hand, we assume that every body Reynardine inhabits is killed, but hope springs eternal. We don't assume; we know. It was stated clearly at least twice in the comic (once by Eglamore in Chapter Three, once by Coyote in Chapter Twenty). What are you talking about? Eglamore makes no mention of anything of the sort in Chapter 3. And Coyote never specifies whose body he possessed. Plus, Anthony's body is not Reynardine's own body, so if Reynardine were to have possessed Anthony, he'd be dead. It's pretty cut and dry, and I don't think Tom is going to contradict his own established canon on this. He's pretty particular.
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Post by popo on Mar 30, 2009 7:53:35 GMT
We don't assume; we know. It was stated clearly at least twice in the comic (once by Eglamore in Chapter Three, once by Coyote in Chapter Twenty). What are you talking about? Eglamore makes no mention of anything of the sort in Chapter 3. And Coyote never specifies whose body he possessed. Plus, Anthony's body is not Reynardine's own body, so if Reynardine were to have possessed Anthony, he'd be dead. It's pretty cut and dry, and I don't think Tom is going to contradict his own established canon on this. He's pretty particular. I think he's saying that we know that whoever Rey possesses dies
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Post by todd on Mar 30, 2009 10:47:27 GMT
Though I've seen a couple of convoluted theories to get around that, such as that Anthony was haunting Good Hope as a ghost. (Though that clashes with Annie's statement that her father was working at the hospital as a surgeon.)
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Post by todd on Mar 30, 2009 10:51:32 GMT
I think he's saying that we know that whoever Rey possesses dies Yes, that's what I was saying. I didn't realize until I read Midnight Meadows' post that my remark could be misinterpreted; I should have phrased it more clearly. Sorry about that.
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Post by audacity on Mar 30, 2009 16:46:35 GMT
Elgamore 1) likes Jones, but because Surma doesn't like her she does not get to be in the photo and 2) does NOT like Anthony, but (I assume) because Surma likes him he does get to be in the photo. We don’t really know about Surma’s feelings towards Anthony at the time; if she does care about him at all, she isn’t showing. But we do know that James was her boyfriend during her late teens (a couple of years from now, in other words), so we don’t have to assume she finds anything attractive in Anthony just yet. (I don't quite know what to make of Anthony – he has this air of evil genius in the making about him, like Tom Riddle before he became Lord Voldemort.) I don't mean "likes" like she wants to date him! That would sort of mess up the parallel I was drawing between treatment of Anthony and treatment of Jones, don't you think? It really seems to me that participation in this photo is Surma's decision. Elgamore says that he wishes Jones were there, and the reason she doesn't get to be there is because of Surma's dislike of her. It's pretty obvious that Elgamore DOESN'T like Anthony, but he still gets to be in the photo. I don't think it's beyond reason to think that this also has to do with Surma.
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Post by popo on Mar 30, 2009 17:34:42 GMT
We don’t really know about Surma’s feelings towards Anthony at the time; if she does care about him at all, she isn’t showing. But we do know that James was her boyfriend during her late teens (a couple of years from now, in other words), so we don’t have to assume she finds anything attractive in Anthony just yet. (I don't quite know what to make of Anthony – he has this air of evil genius in the making about him, like Tom Riddle before he became Lord Voldemort.) I don't mean "likes" like she wants to date him! That would sort of mess up the parallel I was drawing between treatment of Anthony and treatment of Jones, don't you think? It really seems to me that participation in this photo is Surma's decision. Elgamore says that he wishes Jones were there, and the reason she doesn't get to be there is because of Surma's dislike of her. It's pretty obvious that Elgamore DOESN'T like Anthony, but he still gets to be in the photo. I don't think it's beyond reason to think that this also has to do with Surma. I saw it as Jones choosing not to be in the photo, due to Surma disliking her, or maybe because of how Surma treats her.
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Post by grelna on Apr 15, 2009 3:03:05 GMT
I'm new to the comic and the site, but on reading it over the second time, it seems clear to me that Jones and Tony are in fact one and the same person. Tom has provided numerous hints.
1. Their physical resemblance is very strong. 2. Both have an almost total lack of affect. 3. young Eglamore: [quoting young Anthony] "I have matters to attend to." Geez, who talks like that? [Um, Jones, for one] 4. At no time are the two of them shown together in the same place. Jones "couldn't" be in the photo. 5. Coyote's reference to "hell of a poker face" followed immediately by close-up of Jones. That could be simply a reference to the fact that it's hard to read Jones. On the other hand, it also implies a mask hiding what's behind. 6. [the clincher, from my POV] Jones: Ysengrim is drawing closer to the brink of insanity. The way he has distorted his body... I've seen similar, but nothing quite like that. Headmaster: Coming from you, that disturbs me greatly. [Coming from YOU...obviously Jones has significant knowledge of shapechanging]
Couple of other things too, but those are enough for me.
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Post by popo on Apr 15, 2009 5:45:54 GMT
I don't get how they look the same. different eye shapes, different skin and hair colors, probably different height, different jaw, different nose. if anyone, tony looks like surma and antimony.
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Post by Dentrala on Apr 16, 2009 1:21:03 GMT
I really do not think that Jones and Anthony are even similar. I can meagerly grasp physical resemblance, Jones' emotionlessness is different than Anthony, the "I have matters to attend to" is in reference to Antimony, and you don't see them together because we've only seen anthony in like, two strips. The fact that Jones "couldn't" be in the photo was because she pissed Surma off- it's a social thing, not anything else. The poker face refers to the fact that Jones doesn't let anyone know what she's thinking. Jones does likely have some sort of knowledge in changing their appearance or other physical characteristics, (possibly a longer lifespan? O: Or being a robot.) but I sincerely doubt that Jones changed sexes. Though it is an interesting speculation. *nods*
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Apr 16, 2009 2:03:44 GMT
He can't be Jones because Antimony clearly states at the end of chapter 14 and year 1 that she would not hear from her father for the next two years.
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Post by mjh on Apr 16, 2009 10:58:42 GMT
Coyote's reference to "hell of a poker face" followed immediately by close-up of Jones. That could be simply a reference to the fact that it's hard to read Jones. On the other hand, it also implies a mask hiding what's behind. Only Coyote was talking about Muut here – hell of a poker face indeed ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=277). And why is the next panel showing Jones? Because she is closely watching Annie making smalltalk with Coyote, something quite significant with respect to her future role as a medium.
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Post by audacity on Apr 16, 2009 13:25:25 GMT
I'm new to the comic and the site, but on reading it over the second time, it seems clear to me that Jones and Tony are in fact one and the same person. Tom has provided numerous hints. 1. Their physical resemblance is very strong. 2. Both have an almost total lack of affect. 3. young Eglamore: [quoting young Anthony] "I have matters to attend to." Geez, who talks like that? [Um, Jones, for one] 4. At no time are the two of them shown together in the same place. Jones "couldn't" be in the photo. 5. Coyote's reference to "hell of a poker face" followed immediately by close-up of Jones. That could be simply a reference to the fact that it's hard to read Jones. On the other hand, it also implies a mask hiding what's behind. 6. [the clincher, from my POV] Jones: Ysengrim is drawing closer to the brink of insanity. The way he has distorted his body... I've seen similar, but nothing quite like that. Headmaster: Coming from you, that disturbs me greatly. [Coming from YOU...obviously Jones has significant knowledge of shapechanging] Couple of other things too, but those are enough for me. This definitely belongs in the wild speculation thread. Come on, really? Anthony Carver (Tony) is Annie's father. Jones has been at the court for years, and didn't suddenly appear there when Anthony left the Good Hope hospital (i.e., they are in two places at once, making them TWO people). They do have similar affectations, but this is a pretty out-there explanation for that.
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Post by pgilman on Mar 12, 2010 3:26:27 GMT
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Post by lucifiel on Mar 14, 2010 14:28:49 GMT
Ermmm... who is Anthony? I tried to do a search on this board but... nothing at all. And I can't remember much about the comic at this point.
Edit: oh wait, Annie's father. ^^;;
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Post by dismalscientist on Mar 14, 2010 19:25:38 GMT
Wait, Anthony is Muut?! It all. Makes. Sense now.
1) Flat affect. 2) Great body, Surma wouldn't be able to resist him. 3) Antimony's anger: at least partially daddy issues.
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Post by judgedeadd on Mar 15, 2010 5:56:30 GMT
Anthony: doctor by day, guy in an owl costume by night!!
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Post by warrl on Mar 15, 2010 19:35:41 GMT
Anthony: doctor by day, guy in an owl costume by night!! But wouldn't that be a conflict of interest? I mean, being a doctor and a psychopomp?
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Post by Casey on Mar 15, 2010 19:49:37 GMT
Well at least you would know if you screw up at one job, you can make up for it with the other job.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Mar 16, 2010 0:35:01 GMT
Well at least you would know if you screw up at one job, you can make up for it with the other job. Because the best job security is an infinite loop.
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Post by shouqi on Mar 17, 2010 11:22:36 GMT
Eternal Recurrence is likely the only better form of job security, but it has some drawbacks.
I don't think that Anthony is Muut, or any psychopomp. It's been stated in the comic that Anthony has an intense distrust of all things etheric.
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