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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 15, 2024 7:06:17 GMT
That's not the same thing as saying Kat wasn't "stirred to action through his devotion" though. We'll see if the forgiveness has strings attached. [Also: I wonder if Robot can talk in chipworm form. He was sort of at the bottom of that depression (yes I know) so it didn't occur to me but if he's lost the ability to speak perhaps Shadow was tearing through more than feathers. [/edit] |
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Post by philman on Apr 15, 2024 8:12:08 GMT
This just seems like another chapter in the creepy Angel mythos to me
"The Angel was stirred to action by Robot's evil actions, and therefore we should not into self-pity because she forgave him and it was worth it"
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Post by silicondream on Apr 15, 2024 8:28:06 GMT
Well, Kat herself agreed that she needed to be "stirred to action," so that doesn't really contradict Shadow's claim. Sometimes she does need more motivation or inspiration, but it can be done in a less dangerous and dishonest way*, and she doesn't need to be constantly managed from the shadows. *Or so Shadow believes, anyway. But I'm not sure there was a nice way of setting Zimmy off so Kat could have that same creative breakthrough within the distortion. Forgiving doesn't mean forgetting. Kat doesn't like to stay mad, but that doesn't mean the Seraphs can gain her trust (or Robot regain it) without demonstrating a change of behavior. Plotwise, he might need to stay mute until Kat transitions him, so he can realize that punishing him or forcing his repentance was never her plan. |
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Post by Nnelg on Apr 15, 2024 12:52:18 GMT
Well now, the Seraphs really were just acting on Robot's orders (and are naive enough that the excuse actually works) so they deserve a second chance too.
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 15, 2024 13:43:17 GMT
That “Yes…of course” strikes me as potentially less “of course, you’re right” and more “sure, you don’t know any better so let’s go with that for now.”
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Post by morrahadesigns on Apr 15, 2024 13:43:21 GMT
I am appreciating Shadow's attitude here. I am very much of the "knock off the melodramatic bs" mindset as well.
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 15, 2024 14:08:29 GMT
Shadow spitting mad truth.
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Post by morrahadesigns on Apr 15, 2024 16:37:09 GMT
Shadow spitting mad truth. I like No Nonsense Shadow. |
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 15, 2024 16:44:31 GMT
The seraphs have apparently talked it over, and now they address Robot, saying they don't think he betrayed them anymore. They think he was truly acting for the benefit of all robots. Of course, Shadow is holding what is probably Robot's CPU in his hands, and Annie is standing by him (and we don't see the Mystery New Person, so they could be anywhere by now). Can Robot actually see, hear, or speak at this point? In the past Robot's CPU was apparently still active or at least in some kind of sleep mode when it wasn't attached to anything, because Kat plugged it into a minimal chassis and Robot picked up on something he was saying to himself in mid-sentence. So perhaps he either runs on a residual charge when disconnected or has a hibernation mode where he can save his state and pick right back up when he's reconnected. Perhaps the residual charge doesn't last forever, though. I've wondered for a long time whether he lost all his RAM when he was left disassembled in a box for years.
Anyway, the Seraphs say they want to ask Kat for forgiveness too. Shadow tells them they need to quit being creepy and says that "Kat knows what she's doing." (Does she, though? I'm not certain she always considers all the ramifications of her actions. For example, there's creating a whole nation of people who literally consider her a deity. Sure, that might sound like a great thing, but would it really be? And I don't think Kat even knows about the "consider her a deity" part.) Anyway, what does Shadow mean by this? Does he mean that she was doing the right thing by shunning them because they're so creepy? Or is he more generally saying that they should just leave Kat alone and let her do whatever she does? But at this statement, the Seraphs look at one another, then penitently agree. This might be a realization that trying to manipulate their Angel is a sign that they don't have faith in her. We can only hope they're getting that self-aware.
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 15, 2024 18:05:28 GMT
That “Yes…of course” strikes me as potentially less “of course, you’re right” and more “sure, you don’t know any better so let’s go with that for now.” This strikes me more as relief, this point of theology being something on which they all can agree. They might be mentally battered by all these weird happenings and revelations, and here’s some solid ground. Also, this turns the conversation back to the Seraphs’ punishment, hence caution. |
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Post by storyteller on Apr 15, 2024 18:24:33 GMT
Shadow tells them they need to quit being creepy and says that "Kat knows what she's doing." (Does she, though? I'm not certain she always considers all the ramifications of her actions. For example, there's creating a whole nation of people who literally consider her a deity. Sure, that might sound like a great thing, but would it really be? And I don't think Kat even knows about the "consider her a deity" part.) Kat decidedly doesn't know. Which is why we have some eying the fact that there's now a dead new person in the Ether with that belief. That's the bit that Robot didn't mention and is likely coming to roost |
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Post by tibert on Apr 15, 2024 19:42:49 GMT
Shadow tells them they need to quit being creepy and says that "Kat knows what she's doing." (Does she, though? I'm not certain she always considers all the ramifications of her actions. For example, there's creating a whole nation of people who literally consider her a deity. Sure, that might sound like a great thing, but would it really be? And I don't think Kat even knows about the "consider her a deity" part.) Kat decidedly doesn't know. Which is why we have some eying the fact that there's now a dead new person in the Ether with that belief. That's the bit that Robot didn't mention and is likely coming to roost **** This webcomic made me google performative sentence "I forgive you" . I foolishly assumed the first results would tell me if it was this kind of sentence. I should have known that philosophers don't have a single definition of forgiveness. |
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Post by rabbit on Apr 15, 2024 23:56:05 GMT
Shadow spitting mad truth. I like No Nonsense Shadow. I just wish Shadow had assumed his bird form before delivering the "You guys need to calm down, too" line, as a callback to this. |
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Post by blahzor on Apr 16, 2024 9:08:28 GMT
Well, Kat herself agreed that she needed to be "stirred to action," so that doesn't really contradict Shadow's claim. Sometimes she does need more motivation or inspiration, but it can be done in a less dangerous and dishonest way*, and she doesn't need to be constantly managed from the shadows. *Or so Shadow believes, anyway. But I'm not sure there was a nice way of setting Zimmy off so Kat could have that same creative breakthrough within the distortion. Forgiving doesn't mean forgetting. Kat doesn't like to stay mad, but that doesn't mean the Seraphs can gain her trust (or Robot regain it) without demonstrating a change of behavior. Plotwise, he might need to stay mute until Kat transitions him, so he can realize that punishing him or forcing his repentance was never her plan. I wouldn't go far as say she needed the inspiration she gets to it eventually in other timelines at least implied |
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Post by morrahadesigns on Apr 16, 2024 12:50:44 GMT
I like No Nonsense Shadow. I just wish Shadow had assumed his bird form before delivering the "You guys need to calm down, too" line, as a callback to this.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 16, 2024 13:23:19 GMT
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Post by tibert on Apr 16, 2024 18:47:00 GMT
The page just before that is somewhat relevant to current situation too. Annie had practice with disarming apologies. Still, Robot has really outdone his mummy now.
Well, Kat herself agreed that she needed to be "stirred to action," so that doesn't really contradict Shadow's claim. Man, this page is really one of those that hurt physically when reading. Sooooo, with that in mind, what do you think would be the cringiest possible reaction from Kat to S-[assorted numbers] apologies? |
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Post by hp on Apr 16, 2024 20:05:22 GMT
where is the brunette misterious girl? Waiting for some insight on all that from her but she was last seen 2 or 3 pages ago
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