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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 23, 2024 8:03:43 GMT
Have we perchance been misgendering Zoob? Could they have somehow been Robot all along? Or does Zoob simply know what happened? [edit] Here's a link to the Seraphs transforming back in Torn Sea. [/edit] Tune in next week... |
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Post by justcurious on Feb 23, 2024 9:21:10 GMT
Could she be a Seraph? Could she be one of the golem robots from Diego's time? The suggestion that she might be Shell is another possibility.
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Post by jda on Feb 23, 2024 9:24:30 GMT
Have we perchance been misgendering Zoob? Could they have somehow been Robot all along? Or does Zoob simply know what happened? [edit] Here's a link to the Seraphs transforming back in Torn Sea. [/edit] Tune in next week... Maybe you are referring to this page? |
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Feb 23, 2024 12:24:46 GMT
That she's Omega is looking pretty likely now, I think. Clairvoyance and all, except where Annie is involved.
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Post by Corvo on Feb 23, 2024 12:55:42 GMT
It's not her talking, it's Robot. He is behind her just the right way so no one can see him, just like the Hide Behind.
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 23, 2024 14:10:25 GMT
That pronoun wipes a lot of theories away. If we can trust Annie to actually know.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 23, 2024 14:20:48 GMT
Have we perchance been misgendering Zoob? Could they have somehow been Robot all along? Or does Zoob simply know what happened? [edit] Here's a link to the Seraphs transforming back in Torn Sea. [/edit] Tune in next week... Maybe you are referring to this page? Perhaps I should have written, "Back in the Torn Sea chapter the Seraphs in the reality distortion transformed." In #1406 they transform, in #1440 they transform back. #1440 offers a better view but is the end of the action, not the start. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 23, 2024 15:58:49 GMT
Shadow: "Something happened to him. He-he changed!"
Me: "Transformers! More Than Meets The Eye! Transformers! Robot's in Disguise!"
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Post by Gemminie on Feb 23, 2024 16:21:12 GMT
The Mystery New Person seems to have been put off or at least confused by Annie's desire to help Shadow, so she just stands there while Annie asks him what's wrong. But Shadow doesn't know whether he can trust MNP, who seems to have been washing her track suit in hot water. Annie tells him not to worry about her, so Shadow goes on. He says that something happened to Robot – he changed in some way. Annie asks where Robot is, but while she's saying this, we're looking at MNP – possibly because now that MNP has bwipped them all over the distortion, getting back to Robot would be a bit difficult; perhaps she knows this is her fault. Shadow tells Annie that he was with Robot, then he went to find Annie, and now ... well, he doesn't know where they are. They appear to be in a nondescript gray room with some kind of desk in one corner. Perhaps it's this room. MNP then says that she knows where Robot is. Perhaps she can provide them with transit to Robot's location, without even a need to construct a mechanical walking device. So it is Robot who has Shadow concerned. How has he changed? Does it have something to do with the decrepit, broken-down machine we saw at the start of the chapter? But Robot's body isn't mechanical; it's all Kat-designed, and all but the head is the new pseudo-organic body that all NP have. It's only the head that's different, and that's a CPU plugged into a Kat-designed robot head. But perhaps the broken-down machine was allegorical, or viewed from the Ether, and it means that something's happening to the CPUs of all remaining robots – perhaps the distortion is adversely affecting them, or maybe it's something the Court is doing. This could mean that the NP's collection of the final CPUs was timely, and they need to get them transferred to new bodies immediately. Or ... maybe this speculation is wrong. How does MNP know where Robot is? She isn't behaving very Coyote-like at this moment. Some have speculated that she's basically a Coyote/Loup/Zimmy fusion, and if that's true she'd know all about the distortion. But why is she helping them instead of attacking Shadow or whatever she was sneaking around doing before? Maybe she didn't realize Shadow was Annie's friend. She may not have all of Coyote/Loup/Zimmy's memories, but parts of her know how important a friend is. Mystery NP is mysterious. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 23, 2024 17:01:19 GMT
It's not her talking, it's Robot. He is behind her just the right way so no one can see him, just like the Hide Behind. Or maybe the Distortion shrunk him, so he can fit into Raven's long hair?  If it is Robot, he's talking in the third-person. |
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Post by eyemyself on Feb 23, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
Welp, that comment about knowing where Robot throws cold water on a whole bunch of fan theories. Definitely seems unlikely this is a Loup/Coyote/Zimmy hybrid as none of them have any known canon reason to keep tabs on Robot & it’s unlikely Loup/Coyote even know enough about Robot to consider Robot significant enough to keep tabs on. Anthony also seems highly unlikely. My own pet theory this is Jenny, also seems unlikely- though it’s possible that the students working to protect Zimmy have been keeping track of all Kat’s affiliates since the “Kat will kill Zimmy” reveal.
Perhaps we are looking at a genuine New Person. Could be someone like Arthur, who worked with the humans of the court’s shadow men. I think it’s unlikely that it’s one of the Seraphs, as last we heard Kat banished them.
Perhaps one of Robots early recruits/inner circle? Maybe the king of Robots or the door guard?
Or maybe, just maybe… Boxbot… is that you? You’re so terrible.
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Post by Igniz on Feb 24, 2024 5:25:46 GMT
"I know where he is."  Have we perchance been misgendering Zoob? Could they have somehow been Robot all along? If we go by Robot's Mii, well... |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 24, 2024 6:56:45 GMT
It turned out to be much simpler than expected… but probably not for long. That she's Omega is looking pretty likely now, I think. Clairvoyance and all, except where Annie is involved. It would be more meaningful to speculate that she is Santa Claus (or a little helper thereof). At least we know he knows where everyone is. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 24, 2024 21:40:05 GMT
You know, "where" is a funny concept, inside the distortion. I suppose Omega might be able to distinguish which where is which, even with multiple places overlapping...
It (she?) may have actually been planning to take Shadow 2 to S13. When she pounced on Shadow and tried to go, I assumed that meant that she was unhappy at seeing a shadow man inside the court and wanted to capture it, but if she actually knew about it, say because Robot had mentioned him, maybe that isn't what was happening.
I'm not trying to be a jerk or cause confusion with the pronouns, I'm just confused myself about what Omega is and what the female-looking NP is. Did Omega create a NP-looking body for itself or did it infiltrate and get moved into one? Normally I just call people what they present themselves as but in this case, I can't imagine that the Court would have given a computer a gender, and I don't know if the NP is really Omega (as in all of Omega or a remote drone or what).
In short, even if this is Omega, that doesn't tell us when it became Omega, whether the NP body was created by Omega or by Kat/S13, or how long it's been going on. It could be something that was enabled by the distortion, the result of a plan that Omega was already working on, or something else entirely.
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Feb 25, 2024 10:25:15 GMT
I'm not trying to be a jerk or cause confusion with the pronouns, I'm just confused myself about what Omega is and what the female-looking NP is. Did Omega create a NP-looking body for itself or did it infiltrate and get moved into one? Normally I just call people what they present themselves as but in this case, I can't imagine that the Court would have given a computer a gender, and I don't know if the NP is really Omega (as in all of Omega or a remote drone or what). You know what, these two pages have really been gnawing at me. Something about Zimmy's phrasing as they pertain to the matter of Omega's identity. She keeps sidestepping the word "device." Annie's been working under the assumption that Omega is a computer all this time. But is Omega even a computer? Edit: Also, I realized that in all the hullaballoo over Zoob's identity I've completely skipped over another juicy tidbit to speculate on: the nature of Robot's transformation. Guess it wasn't an immediate concern bc we're on the cusp of the reveal, Tom willing. But it's still fun to theorize! My gut feeling is it's different this time from the Torn Sea transformation because 1) He's in a body effectively stuck between Nuperson and robot limbo and 2) Shadow seems unusually agitated. Gonna take a wild stab... and pen in "biblically-accurate-Seraph-ed" for my bingo card. I can totally see the robot and the Numan parasympathetic nerves parts interfacing weirdly like that. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 25, 2024 18:20:27 GMT
Shadow, my man, S13 has been changing since his CPU was in S1's body. But Robot's body isn't mechanical; it's all Kat-designed, and all but the head is the new pseudo-organic body that all NP have. It's only the head that's different, and that's a CPU plugged into a Kat-designed robot head. Are you sure about that? Kat said that internally, S13 is still a robot, while Arthur's body is "more complex". Also Jerrek asked Lana why S13 doesn't have a new body yet. I know this is not hard evidence, but I always read this as S13 having a very advanced robotic body designed by Kat, but still mechanical. It also looks like he, unlike the NP, does not need to sustain his body with food. |
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Post by silicondream on Feb 26, 2024 2:38:42 GMT
Shadow, my man, S13 has been changing since his CPU was in S1's body. But Robot's body isn't mechanical; it's all Kat-designed, and all but the head is the new pseudo-organic body that all NP have. It's only the head that's different, and that's a CPU plugged into a Kat-designed robot head. Are you sure about that? Kat said that internally, S13 is still a robot, while Arthur's body is "more complex". Also Jerrek asked Lana why S13 doesn't have a new body yet. I know this is not hard evidence, but I always read this as S13 having a very advanced robotic body designed by Kat, but still mechanical. It also looks like he, unlike the NP, does not need to sustain his body with food. So far as we saw, he didn't need to sustain his earlier technorganic body parts with food either. I think they were designed to run off his normal power source, and perhaps were periodically restocked with nutrients in an external procedure. My equally un-evidenced guess is that Robot currently has a few robotic parts: his CPU, some sensory systems (because his eyes haven't changed), his vocal apparatus (because his speech bubbles haven't changed), and the wiring needed to tie these together. Most everything else is technorganic with a gray paint job, but less advanced than the New People bodies, and more assembled than grown. If he was fully mechanical again, I think he'd be Hulk-leaping around like he used to. He doesn't seem to be physically superhuman anymore. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 26, 2024 7:21:19 GMT
Have we perchance been misgendering Zoob? Could they have somehow been Robot all along? Or does Zoob simply know what happened? [edit] Here's a link to the Seraphs transforming back in Torn Sea. [/edit] Tune in next week... Robot is too cool. He uses him him as a woman who's also the concept of preacher |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 26, 2024 13:24:08 GMT
He doesn't seem to be physically superhuman anymore. Or THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! |
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Post by Igniz on Feb 26, 2024 18:39:12 GMT
Or THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! Robot, or he Tom? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 26, 2024 20:17:27 GMT
Or THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK! Robot, or he Tom? Yes. |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 27, 2024 16:33:40 GMT
You know, "where" is a funny concept, inside the distortion. |
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If it is Robot, he's talking in the third-person.
