[2873] "Are we finished with this silliness?"

[imaginaryfriend]

For a while, maybe. For the chapter, probably not.

[Igniz]

"Happy reunions, yay. But there are more pressing matters at hand!!  "

[arf]

"We wish to interrupt your silliness to bring you our silliness..."

[arkadi]

Dude, they were having a moment.

[blahzor]

Hot girls always think the solution to every problem is for you to focus on them
Smh j/k

[csj]

if dude's gonna be so rude, just turn kat back
smartypants

[ctso74]

Clippy has no chill.

[guntherkrieg]

"Now, send this person to the recycle bin"

[Gemminie]

Kat has indeed come through to the distortion-produced hallway where Annie, Renard and the NP are waiting along with the Arbiter and the Interpreter. Rather than focusing on what's with that wacky carapace Kat was wearing, they talk about how that bit of teleportation worked. Although it seems to have been instigated by the Interpreter, or perhaps the Arbiter with the Interpreter interpreting, Kat had some difficulty getting through, probably due to the distortion. It looks as if Annie was thinking back to when Anya was teaching her to use a blinker stone and thought that Kat might be able to get to her if she had something to focus on. It did appear that Kat was losing sight of Annie for a moment there. Some in the forum have speculated that Annie was acting as a human blinker stone, and this appears to be more or less true.

Oh, right. Then there's poor Sam, who's lost his life at the point of distortion-recreated Jeanne's sword, and the Arbiter and Helper Ghost are still standing ... uh ... waiting right there. The Interpreter sounds impatient.

Now that matters of transport are settled, why is Kat the keeper of anyone's soul, and what sort of questions is the Arbiter going to ask her? And how will she answer them? As before I'm still guessing that Kat's contract was just a new version of Annie's contract that she tried to piggyback on, and that contract made Annie the keeper, sort of, of Renard, though nobody used that word. Annie owned the toy that Renard was using (and still is) as a body, and perhaps Kat owns the NPs' bodies, because she made them. She doesn't own the NP themselves, but she's their keeper, caretaker, etc.

So the Arbiter seems to want to know what Kat thinks should happen when one of their bodies dies. I mean, couldn't Kat make another body sans sword puncture and transfer the soul/spirit/essence into that? She couldn't do that with Lana because her essence was gone (possibly because she didn't actually die), but Sam's essence is standing right there. Of course, the believers in Kat's angelicness would basically see that as a miraculous resurrection. But Kat may not have the foggiest idea how to do something that metaphysical – Sam's essence isn't an electronic personality matrix whatever thingie on a chip; he's something ethereal now. Kat might not even be able to see him. Maybe if Kat made a body for him, Annie could make it happen, but the body would have to get there, and transportation is pretty dicey right now. Still, if that happened, what would the NP think about Annie performing a miracle of resurrection? Would they believe in two angels? Or an angel and a ... fire-throwing ghost wizard or something?

I'm not sure Kat's going to be able to get an intact body to where Sam's essence is. And I'm not sure they'd be able to get themselves and Sam's essence to Kat's computer fabrication plant, where the body would be made. I think the Arbiter isn't interested in solving the transportation problems. He may insist that Sam be taken into the Ether in some way by somebody. And that means that either Kat's going to do it with guidance from Annie, or Annie's going to do it with Kat's permission, or some other psychopomp is going to show up and do it. What if Sam, the first one to die, becomes the NP psychopomp, with Annie showing him the ropes? I'm not sure the other psychopomps would like that, but they haven't shown up yet, so maybe they don't get a say.

Well, whatever happens next is going to be very interesting in a GKC-metaphysics way.

[Gemini Jim]

The cracks are gone. I know that sort of seems like a minor thing, since Mecha Kat probably blew the cracks away when Salami Mel summoned Kat, and then Annie did her "Welcome to Wonderland, Alice" thing.

But it's interesting that Mel appears to have taken control of the situation. He seems to fit better than he did before. No cracks, no Mecha Kat, no.... Distortion? Are we officially done with the Distortion? (Please let us be done with the Distortion, I'm tired of assuming that everything is not what it seems.)

And if we are done with the Distortion, will any Distortion effects melt away, too?

What if Saitama's death was an illusion? It was at the hands of a ghostly, Distortion-caused Jeanne, after all. We've kind of assumed that when you die in the Distortion, you die for real. And I'll admit it sounds a bit anti-climatic, even a cop-out, to have Kat bring Saitama back to life. (But it would be "another feather" in Kat's angel "cap" to have her Phoenix Down an NPC.)

But! We might still have one other NPC death to deal with. Lana's status is still a bit uncertain, but she could be actually dead-dead, and not just sitting around in Coyote's.... broom closet? Coyotes have those, right?

So Kat still gets to 'pomp an NPC, just not the one we've been expecting; meanwhile Sam-tama is the first NPC to have a near-death experience.

"It was like I could see my own body...." etc. etc.


Assuming Saitama is really Saitama. (Seriously, let's end the Distortion already. I don't need the big reveal where Saitama is Lana.)

=
As a side note: At first I was confused and suspicious that the other NPCs were gone, but I see that they are still standing off to one side. However Rey is still missing, he got left behind in the last chapter.

[fia]

*cough* Called it. I may not have been the only one, but I did explicitly say Annie made herself into a human blinker stone, linked to the Anja training, and now Annie has directly referenced that exact same moment in the comic.

*Nibbles on a cookie*

[silicondream]

Dec 8, 2023 10:49:27 GMT blahzor said:

Hot girls always think the solution to every problem is for you to focus on them
Smh j/k

With Kat, they're usually right.

(On another continent Paz is explaining to her family that she was never jealous, really, but....)

[mturtle7]

Dec 8, 2023 10:49:27 GMT blahzor said:

Hot girls always think the solution to every problem is for you to focus on them
Smh j/k

Antimony: "Your girlfriend broke up with you, you say? Don't worry about that, baby. You should focus on more positive things, to distract you! Like, for instance, ME, and how HOT and SEXY I am. How close I am to you right now...my face to yours...my LIPS to yours...oh yes..."

I really wish I could just post this, and trust that everyone will easily see it as a joke, and not something I think could ever happen in the comic. Sadly, I am not that naive. Oh well, *I* still think it's funny.

[silicondream]

Dec 8, 2023 23:42:31 GMT mturtle7 said:

Dec 8, 2023 10:49:27 GMT blahzor said:

Hot girls always think the solution to every problem is for you to focus on them
Smh j/k

Antimony: "Your girlfriend broke up with you, you say? Don't worry about that, baby. You should focus on more positive things, to distract you! Like, for instance, ME, and how HOT and SEXY I am. How close I am to you right now...my face to yours...my LIPS to yours...oh yes..."

I really wish I could just post this, and trust that everyone will easily see it as a joke, and not something I think could ever happen in the comic. Sadly, I am not that naive. Oh well, *I* still think it's funny.

Antimony, previously:  "Just curious, but if you needed to repress your raging desires for your beautiful yet slightly unstable and romantically inscrutable best friend, how would you go about it?"

Kat: "I'm glad you asked!  I'd probably subconsciously thoughtcraft a giant metal containment suit, with cables plugging into the eyes to capture and recycle rogue NSFW images before they can leak out in public.  That should do the trick, unless of course I happen to meet her true self in the Ether and it's even more blindingly attractive than her normal form.  In that case my suit'll probably disintegrate and who knows what will happen.*  I'll just have to rely on my loyalty to my girlfriend to keep me in check!"

*what would in fact happen is that Kat would blush and say something awkward and Annie would look blank and then the scene would change and they wouldn't reference it again for at least thirty chapters

[gpvos]

Apparently Kat has some form of power over Sam who is now only some kind of etheric essence, which means that given Kat's proclivities she might be tempted to do some experiments on him to figure out what that means. It's good that she is not on the dark path she turned onto in another timeline.

There is a foreshadowing parallel between Sam's and Mort's deaths. Mort's death was unjust, caused by Jones' appearance, yet he was dead anyway. Therefore I conclude that Sam is also really dead, despite being killed by a distortion phantom. I'm also not sure Annie could resurrect him alone: the power of several psychopomps was used when doing that with Smitters. I certainly don't see how Kat could resurrect him, other than by creating the first NP zombie, which would admittedly be awesome in a way.

The ROTD could still be involved later, but it's important that first the rules around NP deaths are established, which Kat neglected to do when she created this new life form. I mean, duh; didn't she attend god school or something? The Arbiter doesn't like having to show up, you know.

Also, Kat is not going to be the psychopomp, it'll most likely be Annie or otherwise someone external to the current gang. The idea that Sam could be the first NP 'pomp is interesting though.

[arkadi]

Dec 8, 2023 10:49:27 GMT blahzor said:

Hot girls always think the solution to every problem is for you to focus on them
Smh j/k

Hehehe, "hot"

[pyradonis]

Dec 8, 2023 16:00:57 GMT Gemminie said:

Kat has indeed come through to the distortion-produced hallway where Annie, Renard and the NP are waiting along with the Arbiter and the Interpreter. Rather than focusing on what's with that wacky carapace Kat was wearing, they talk about how that bit of teleportation worked. Although it seems to have been instigated by the Interpreter, or perhaps the Arbiter with the Interpreter interpreting, Kat had some difficulty getting through, probably due to the distortion. It looks as if Annie was thinking back to when Anya was teaching her to use a blinker stone and thought that Kat might be able to get to her if she had something to focus on. It did appear that Kat was losing sight of Annie for a moment there. Some in the forum have speculated that Annie was acting as a human blinker stone, and this appears to be more or less true.

Oh, right. Then there's poor Sam, who's lost his life at the point of distortion-recreated Jeanne's sword, and the Arbiter and Helper Ghost are still standing ... uh ... waiting right there. The Interpreter sounds impatient.

Now that matters of transport are settled, why is Kat the keeper of anyone's soul, and what sort of questions is the Arbiter going to ask her? And how will she answer them? As before I'm still guessing that Kat's contract was just a new version of Annie's contract that she tried to piggyback on, and that contract made Annie the keeper, sort of, of Renard, though nobody used that word. Annie owned the toy that Renard was using (and still is) as a body, and perhaps Kat owns the NPs' bodies, because she made them. She doesn't own the NP themselves, but she's their keeper, caretaker, etc.

So the Arbiter seems to want to know what Kat thinks should happen when one of their bodies dies. I mean, couldn't Kat make another body sans sword puncture and transfer the soul/spirit/essence into that? She couldn't do that with Lana because her essence was gone (possibly because she didn't actually die), but Sam's essence is standing right there. Of course, the believers in Kat's angelicness would basically see that as a miraculous resurrection. But Kat may not have the foggiest idea how to do something that metaphysical – Sam's essence isn't an electronic personality matrix whatever thingie on a chip; he's something ethereal now. Kat might not even be able to see him. Maybe if Kat made a body for him, Annie could make it happen, but the body would have to get there, and transportation is pretty dicey right now. Still, if that happened, what would the NP think about Annie performing a miracle of resurrection? Would they believe in two angels? Or an angel and a ... fire-throwing ghost wizard or something?

I'm not sure Kat's going to be able to get an intact body to where Sam's essence is. And I'm not sure they'd be able to get themselves and Sam's essence to Kat's computer fabrication plant, where the body would be made. I think the Arbiter isn't interested in solving the transportation problems. He may insist that Sam be taken into the Ether in some way by somebody. And that means that either Kat's going to do it with guidance from Annie, or Annie's going to do it with Kat's permission, or some other psychopomp is going to show up and do it. What if Sam, the first one to die, becomes the NP psychopomp, with Annie showing him the ropes? I'm not sure the other psychopomps would like that, but they haven't shown up yet, so maybe they don't get a say.

Well, whatever happens next is going to be very interesting in a GKC-metaphysics way.

To be honest, I really hope Kat does not resurrect him, simply because that is an incredibly gamebreaking power with so far reaching consequences... As in, almost everyone who dies around the world leaves others behind in grief. Why doesn't she resurrect them all as well, forever? If not, what would make Sam so special that of all people dying each day, he deserves a resurrection? I can't help but be reminded of all the Star Trek episodes where the characters casually find a way to make everyone immortal or at least immune to aging, illnesses etc. (usually involving the transporter somehow) which is promptly forgotten and never talked about by the next episode, because if played straight those discoveries would completely change the franchise's universe... And somehow I feel the same would happen here. Well, unless Kat is promptly dragged to Etheric jail because resurrections are forbidden.

[silicondream]

Dec 9, 2023 18:23:25 GMT pyradonis said:

Dec 8, 2023 16:00:57 GMT Gemminie said:

Kat has indeed come through to the distortion-produced hallway where Annie, Renard and the NP are waiting along with the Arbiter and the Interpreter. Rather than focusing on what's with that wacky carapace Kat was wearing, they talk about how that bit of teleportation worked. Although it seems to have been instigated by the Interpreter, or perhaps the Arbiter with the Interpreter interpreting, Kat had some difficulty getting through, probably due to the distortion. It looks as if Annie was thinking back to when Anya was teaching her to use a blinker stone and thought that Kat might be able to get to her if she had something to focus on. It did appear that Kat was losing sight of Annie for a moment there. Some in the forum have speculated that Annie was acting as a human blinker stone, and this appears to be more or less true.

Oh, right. Then there's poor Sam, who's lost his life at the point of distortion-recreated Jeanne's sword, and the Arbiter and Helper Ghost are still standing ... uh ... waiting right there. The Interpreter sounds impatient.

Now that matters of transport are settled, why is Kat the keeper of anyone's soul, and what sort of questions is the Arbiter going to ask her? And how will she answer them? As before I'm still guessing that Kat's contract was just a new version of Annie's contract that she tried to piggyback on, and that contract made Annie the keeper, sort of, of Renard, though nobody used that word. Annie owned the toy that Renard was using (and still is) as a body, and perhaps Kat owns the NPs' bodies, because she made them. She doesn't own the NP themselves, but she's their keeper, caretaker, etc.

So the Arbiter seems to want to know what Kat thinks should happen when one of their bodies dies. I mean, couldn't Kat make another body sans sword puncture and transfer the soul/spirit/essence into that? She couldn't do that with Lana because her essence was gone (possibly because she didn't actually die), but Sam's essence is standing right there. Of course, the believers in Kat's angelicness would basically see that as a miraculous resurrection. But Kat may not have the foggiest idea how to do something that metaphysical – Sam's essence isn't an electronic personality matrix whatever thingie on a chip; he's something ethereal now. Kat might not even be able to see him. Maybe if Kat made a body for him, Annie could make it happen, but the body would have to get there, and transportation is pretty dicey right now. Still, if that happened, what would the NP think about Annie performing a miracle of resurrection? Would they believe in two angels? Or an angel and a ... fire-throwing ghost wizard or something?

I'm not sure Kat's going to be able to get an intact body to where Sam's essence is. And I'm not sure they'd be able to get themselves and Sam's essence to Kat's computer fabrication plant, where the body would be made. I think the Arbiter isn't interested in solving the transportation problems. He may insist that Sam be taken into the Ether in some way by somebody. And that means that either Kat's going to do it with guidance from Annie, or Annie's going to do it with Kat's permission, or some other psychopomp is going to show up and do it. What if Sam, the first one to die, becomes the NP psychopomp, with Annie showing him the ropes? I'm not sure the other psychopomps would like that, but they haven't shown up yet, so maybe they don't get a say.

Well, whatever happens next is going to be very interesting in a GKC-metaphysics way.

To be honest, I really hope Kat does not resurrect him, simply because that is an incredibly gamebreaking power with so far reaching consequences... As in, almost everyone who dies around the world leaves others behind in grief. Why doesn't she resurrect them all as well, forever? If not, what would make Sam so special that of all people dying each day, he deserves a resurrection? 

Well, for one thing, he was killed by someone who doesn't actually exist, in the middle of a reality distortion.  I can see Kat & Co. figuring out a way to undo that which wouldn't apply in the "real" world.  And I can see a narrative "need" to do it because, otherwise, Zimmy is now established as a lethal threat to the people around her.  Which would suck for her, although it would help explain how Kat ends up at risk of killing her.

The other consideration is that the categories of "alive" and "dead" are somewhat socially defined in the first place.  Doctors and nurses revive people all the time who would have been considered irreversibly dead a hundred years ago.   Is Sam dead dead, or is he just having an out-of-body experience while in critical condition?  Maybe he just needs to be stitched up and given the equivalent of a blood transfusion and a defibrillator shock.  Or maybe he can be repaired by the nearest powerful etheric being, like Smitty was by the psychopomps.  There's three weakly godlike entities tussling somewhere inside this distortion; shouldn't Annie keep hunting them down to see if someone can help?

There's always been a bit of tension between Annie's and Kat's professions in this area.  Annie is a Guide; her job is to help people move through death to the next phase of their existence.  Kat is, functionally, a doctor; her job is to move heaven and earth so that her patients don't die, and can have long, rich and fulfilling lives in this world.  Doctors can be on board with assisted suicide, but only under a very narrow range of circumstances.  I think that's one reason why Kat felt justified in reviving Diego's golems but also felt uncomfortable telling Annie about it.

So I can imagine Kat thinking "this person is dying, obviously gotta fix him" in Sam's case while Annie's thinking "this person is dead, obviously gotta help him pass on."  We'll see if it turns out that way.

[pyradonis]

Dec 9, 2023 23:20:40 GMT silicondream said:

Dec 9, 2023 18:23:25 GMT pyradonis said:

To be honest, I really hope Kat does not resurrect him, simply because that is an incredibly gamebreaking power with so far reaching consequences... As in, almost everyone who dies around the world leaves others behind in grief. Why doesn't she resurrect them all as well, forever? If not, what would make Sam so special that of all people dying each day, he deserves a resurrection? 

Well, for one thing, he was killed by someone who doesn't actually exist, in the middle of a reality distortion.  I can see Kat & Co. figuring out a way to undo that which wouldn't apply in the "real" world.  And I can see a narrative "need" to do it because, otherwise, Zimmy is now established as a lethal threat to the people around her.  Which would suck for her, although it would help explain how Kat ends up at risk of killing her.

The other consideration is that the categories of "alive" and "dead" are somewhat socially defined in the first place.  Doctors and nurses revive people all the time who would have been considered irreversibly dead a hundred years ago.   Is Sam dead dead, or is he just having an out-of-body experience while in critical condition?  Maybe he just needs to be stitched up and given the equivalent of a blood transfusion and a defibrillator shock.  Or maybe he can be repaired by the nearest powerful etheric being, like Smitty was by the psychopomps.  There's three weakly godlike entities tussling somewhere inside this distortion; shouldn't Annie keep hunting them down to see if someone can help?

There's always been a bit of tension between Annie's and Kat's professions in this area.  Annie is a Guide; her job is to help people move through death to the next phase of their existence.  Kat is, functionally, a doctor; her job is to move heaven and earth so that her patients don't die, and can have long, rich and fulfilling lives in this world.  Doctors can be on board with assisted suicide, but only under a very narrow range of circumstances.  I think that's one reason why Kat felt justified in reviving Diego's golems but also felt uncomfortable telling Annie about it.

So I can imagine Kat thinking "this person is dying, obviously gotta fix him" in Sam's case while Annie's thinking "this person is dead, obviously gotta help him pass on."  We'll see if it turns out that way.

Honestly, I always saw Zimmy as a lethal threat to the people around her, given how both the stuff from inside her head can bleed over into the real world, and other people, powerful themselves, can be sucked into Zimmingham.

Kat also never struck me as a doctor archetype. She's a creator. Yes, she continually fixed S13's body, but that body also got continually wrecked in her and Annie's shenanigans (and he was a fugitive for a lot of that time), and her end goal was to create a completely new body for him. It's not as if she opened up a general robot repair workshop. ("The Court robots have always maintained themselves.") 

Smitty wasn't watching his own lifeless body from outside, he was critically injured but still had enough strength to talk, so yes, he was miraculously healed by the Guides but certainly not brought back from the dead; he hadn't even been unconscious. And while there's of course the possibility that Sam's body hasn't completely irreversibly died yet, I was replying to a comment that explicitly talked about making a new body, taking Sam's soul, and stuff it into this new body, instead of escorting him into the Ether. I see a huge difference there, because that would mean no one ever dies any more if you just snatch their soul away from the Guide coming to escort it and put it into a spare body.

[storyteller]

Dec 10, 2023 16:46:53 GMT pyradonis said:

Honestly, I always saw Zimmy as a lethal threat to the people around her, given how both the stuff from inside her head can bleed over into the real world, and other people, powerful themselves, can be sucked into Zimmingham.

Going to have to agree with this. Zimmy being not malicious but her powers being dangerous has always been a long time coming.

It's just that Zimmy and Gamma do have a system so that the fact Zimmy isn't malicious is the most important fact - and they maintain this. So the first few incidents hit the safety systems.

First Encounter - Zimmy wasn't doing anything
Second - Gamma sleeping, not good but Annie there to step in for sleep + rain soon coming + Library probably not an accidental location.

This was where the audience got out first indications that when things go to hell, they go to hell. But the going to hell bits were all memory (so cast beyond Zimmy and Gamma don't have context) and specifically before Gamma. Aka - Zimmy dampener.

Power Station - Zimmy and the audience were worried at the start, but it turned out to be minor because Gamma was next to Zimmy limiting the consequences. It also was a case of Zimmy relaxing her control when she shouldn't because no ether in the rain versus actively losing it. Scary but brought under control quickly.

Spring Heeled Part 2 -

Connection with Gamma retained and ether rain off switch. For the most part things remained under control except for the group being put under Zimmy mixing things around. Could have gotten worse but didn't go far past oh no.

Divine? Person in most danger was Zimmy herself.

Now when the Cruise Ship events happened it was immediately known as bad to the audience because removing Zimmy from Gamma. But even then Zimmy isn't actively malicious and Robot was pulling strings. And also the Gunnerkrigg students being more able/willing to defend themselves and at no point was a certain extremely lethal ghost dropped into things.

This is a full blown Zimmy lost control (well more her being in a tug of war match with two other individuals for the wheel I expect - because this isn't all Zimmy) moment - and with her mixed in with individuals that care a lot less about people than she does with no safeguards.

That's always been the risk with Zimmy - things changing in reality. It just took years for the audience to see it happen. The Cruise Ship was another incident they just managed to shut it down before someone got hurt.

[silicondream]

Dec 10, 2023 16:46:53 GMT pyradonis said:

Honestly, I always saw Zimmy as a lethal threat to the people around her, given how both the stuff from inside her head can bleed over into the real world, and other people, powerful themselves, can be sucked into Zimmingham.

True, but GC is full of characters who are merely potentially lethal, or used to be lethal but have turned over a new leaf, etc. Annie herself has been at risk of incinerating folks a couple of times. It'll make Zimmy significantly harder to sympathize with if innocent people are dying right now because she isn't properly contained, IMO. Just my gut reaction.

Kat also never struck me as a doctor archetype. She's a creator. Yes, she continually fixed S13's body, but that body also got continually wrecked in her and Annie's shenanigans (and he was a fugitive for a lot of that time), and her end goal was to create a completely new body for him. It's not as if she opened up a general robot repair workshop. ("The Court robots have always maintained themselves.") 

She's not a general practitioner, no, but I would say she's a medical specialist. The robots can maintain themselves, but they can't evolve further--in fact, they couldn't even maintain themselves at the original level of complexity of Diego's golems. Kat's there to do for the robot community what it can't do for itself.

One human analogue would be a surgeon specializing in transgender health care. It's a rapidly evolving field, and they're often involved in researching new treatments and procedures, not just performing existing ones.

(Kat plays several other roles as well, of course, just as Annie is both medium and guide.)

Smitty wasn't watching his own lifeless body from outside, he was critically injured but still had enough strength to talk, so yes, he was miraculously healed by the Guides but certainly not brought back from the dead; he hadn't even been unconscious.

Very true; Smitty was lucky enough to be dying Hollywood-style.

And while there's of course the possibility that Sam's body hasn't completely irreversibly died yet, I was replying to a comment that explicitly talked about making a new body, taking Sam's soul, and stuff it into this new body, instead of escorting him into the Ether. I see a huge difference there, because that would mean no one ever dies any more if you just snatch their soul away from the Guide coming to escort it and put it into a spare body.

Oh, absolutely--that would be a revolution on par with what the Court's trying to achieve by moving to a whole new planet, and it would indeed be story-breaking.

[blahzor]

Them not actually dying would throw a wrench in Kat's mecha powers

[pyradonis]

Dec 11, 2023 8:17:29 GMT silicondream said:

Dec 10, 2023 16:46:53 GMT pyradonis said:

Honestly, I always saw Zimmy as a lethal threat to the people around her, given how both the stuff from inside her head can bleed over into the real world, and other people, powerful themselves, can be sucked into Zimmingham.

True, but GC is full of characters who are merely potentially lethal, or used to be lethal but have turned over a new leaf, etc. Annie herself has been at risk of incinerating folks a couple of times. It'll make Zimmy significantly harder to sympathize with if innocent people are dying right now because she isn't properly contained, IMO. Just my gut reaction.

Maybe I simply don't have the same reaction as you there because since being shown in "Power Station" how abusive her relationship with Gamma actually is I haven't sympathized with her anyway.

Kat also never struck me as a doctor archetype. She's a creator. Yes, she continually fixed S13's body, but that body also got continually wrecked in her and Annie's shenanigans (and he was a fugitive for a lot of that time), and her end goal was to create a completely new body for him. It's not as if she opened up a general robot repair workshop. ("The Court robots have always maintained themselves.") 

She's not a general practitioner, no, but I would say she's a medical specialist. The robots can maintain themselves, but they can't evolve further--in fact, they couldn't even maintain themselves at the original level of complexity of Diego's golems. Kat's there to do for the robot community what it can't do for itself.

One human analogue would be a surgeon specializing in transgender health care. It's a rapidly evolving field, and they're often involved in researching new treatments and procedures, not just performing existing ones.

(Kat plays several other roles as well, of course, just as Annie is both medium and guide.)

Okay, that I can get behind. Kat is definitely a medical specialist for the robots/NP in the sense of being the one to research new treatments, procedures etc.. I just don't see her as wanting to spend her life actually practitioning. She always needs something new and ground-breaking to focus on.

[silicondream]

Dec 11, 2023 15:20:28 GMT pyradonis said:

Dec 11, 2023 8:17:29 GMT silicondream said:

True, but GC is full of characters who are merely potentially lethal, or used to be lethal but have turned over a new leaf, etc. Annie herself has been at risk of incinerating folks a couple of times. It'll make Zimmy significantly harder to sympathize with if innocent people are dying right now because she isn't properly contained, IMO. Just my gut reaction.

Maybe I simply don't have the same reaction as you there because since being shown in "Power Station" how abusive her relationship with Gamma actually is I haven't sympathized with her anyway.

Gamma seems to be burning out these days, too. More reasons why Kat intervening with Zimmy might actually be a good thing.

Okay, that I can get behind. Kat is definitely a medical specialist for the robots/NP in the sense of being the one to research new treatments, procedures etc.. I just don't see her as wanting to spend her life actually practitioning. She always needs something new and ground-breaking to focus on.

Yeah, I think she might try to move on from the robots entirely if she can figure out a way for them to replicate the mind transfer. Once the Court leaves, the New People will be about as free as anyone else, and it's not like she enjoys all the "Angel" stuff.