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Post by bedinsis on Jul 28, 2023 7:01:13 GMT
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Post by taothegreat on Jul 28, 2023 7:02:31 GMT
Coyote looks pleased as punch! How nice for him.
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Post by laaaa on Jul 28, 2023 7:07:43 GMT
Ysegrine, is that you? I'm very confused.
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 28, 2023 7:09:23 GMT
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Post by arf on Jul 28, 2023 7:14:59 GMT
I don't think Coyote's going to be caught quite as easily as last time. Also, Loup may have cause to regret that lolling tongue shortly. |
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Post by worldsong on Jul 28, 2023 7:23:57 GMT
Ysegrine, is that you? I'm very confused. I was thinking that he looks a lot like Ysengrin right now. |
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Post by heranje on Jul 28, 2023 8:14:47 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate!
Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this.
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Post by philman on Jul 28, 2023 8:21:09 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate! Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this. What doesn't Coyote look suspiciously happy about everything? |
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Post by justhalf on Jul 28, 2023 8:33:53 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate! Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this. What doesn't Coyote look suspiciously happy about everything? We just saw in previous pages that Coyote looks unhappy. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 28, 2023 9:30:26 GMT
What I like about Coyote's design is that he almost always has two "eyes" on screen. It's just that the eyes might be anywhere and as he's represented on a 2D plane that pseudo "face" is always morphing around.
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Post by Igniz on Jul 28, 2023 11:19:12 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate! Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this. Why wouldn't he?  Loupengrin has just taken the bait and everything is [mostly] going according to plan. |
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Post by liminal on Jul 28, 2023 13:05:00 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate! Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this. What doesn't Coyote look suspiciously happy about everything? Piggybacking off justhalf's point, Coyote has (notably) not been happy since the first panel of Page 5. Also of note for some of the theorists: this is the first time we've seen Coyote's open mouth post-CRUNCH, and no Lana. Though it's still Coyote, whom I doubt has a digestive system. Until he wants to fart, which I'm sure he'd find hilarious. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 28, 2023 14:11:15 GMT
Speaking of open mouths, Loup is very clearly missing the tooth in panel 3. Nice.
I wonder what Coyote is hoping for here. I thought he wanted Loup to come with him and show that new deity who's boss.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 28, 2023 14:31:27 GMT
Coyote, internally: "Yippee! New wild chaos!... And pain. Unspeakable pain... Um..."
We still don't know how much Coyote is "alive". Is he like Mort: technically dead, but still interacting with things? Back from being a "dead goose"? Loup may not even be able to hurt him. Or eating him twice will do little.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 28, 2023 15:31:53 GMT
Loup flies through the air toward Coyote. Fish-eye lens perspective and speed lines that blur background objects are used to show us just how fast he's going. It seems that he's transformed further back into Loup form since we last saw him, but still not all the way, as he still has humanoid arms and legs and Jerrek's brown hair still dominates the coloration of his fur. In the second frame he strips away some stone from one of the ruined buildings, either by boost-jumping off it or by the sheer force of his speeding by it.
Then, his mouth wide open so we see his tongue lashing around and the drool flying out at the corners (and we see the spot where that missing tooth would be), he reaches Coyote, seemingly coming from behind, judging from the position of Coyote's eye and ear. We're only seeing part of Coyote's head, so we only see the top half of his grin, but he looks happy about this – his manipulation of Loup has worked yet again. All part of his plan.
And finally we see a side view of this confrontation. Loup has tackled Coyote, not really coordinating his movements well enough to bite or claw into him. The speed lines seem to indicate that the momentum is carrying Loup forward and Coyote backward as they fall, presumably toward the ground, as when we last saw Coyote he was perched on the edge of a building's roof. Coyote has opened his mouth in seeming laughter, though there are no sound effects or dialog on this page. This would be the first time we've seen him open his mouth since chomping Lana, and Loup is in a position where he should be able to see into his mouth. But is Lana in there? In one piece, I mean.
What's Coyote's plan for this immediate moment? He said earlier that he needed Loup to use his power against this "new god," but in what way is this accomplishing that goal? Is his plan to sacrifice this echo in order to direct Loup's force against Zimmy, who he thought was the "new god" and who was on the ground when last we saw her? Has he somehow switched places and appearances with Zimmy, and is Loup in reality attacking Zimmy? Or is Coyote counting on Loup spending his anger attacking him, then somehow calming down and cooperating?
Or ... what happens if Lana is actually there inside Coyote's open mouth, alive? Then Coyote closes his mouth again and says she's fine and will stay fine as long as Loup cooperates?
In any case, Coyote's expressions in the last two panels indicate that whatever's going on, it's exactly what Coyote intends.
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Post by Bo No Bo on Jul 28, 2023 16:27:56 GMT
the problem with coming back from being a dead goose is that now you have to deal with not being a dead goose anymore
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 28, 2023 19:21:13 GMT
Piggybacking off justhalf's point, Coyote has (notably) not been happy since the first panel of Page 5. Also of note for some of the theorists: this is the first time we've seen Coyote's open mouth post-CRUNCH, and no Lana. Though it's still Coyote, whom I doubt has a digestive system. Until he wants to fart, which I'm sure he'd find hilarious. Either way, at this point Shenanigans() must be called. The supposed role of Zimmy in whatever happens next is less than clear, too. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 28, 2023 20:16:06 GMT
Piggybacking off justhalf's point, Coyote has (notably) not been happy since the first panel of Page 5. Also of note for some of the theorists: this is the first time we've seen Coyote's open mouth post-CRUNCH, and no Lana. Though it's still Coyote, whom I doubt has a digestive system. Until he wants to fart, which I'm sure he'd find hilarious. Either way, at this point Shenanigans() must be called. The supposed role of Zimmy in whatever happens next is less than clear, too. The eating of Lana may have been semi-metaphorical... but still can and did result in her being literally munched. To put it another way, it works because it does. |
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 28, 2023 22:13:58 GMT
Probably a minor detail if nothing at all, but I would like to point out the parallels of Loup currently to how Ysengrin used to present himself: a wolf head with a humanoid torso and arms/legs (but obviously made of wood at the time).
In a twisted way, he finally achieved what he could only mimic before. Does it mean anything? Probably not, but it felt sort of significant in this scenario since others have pointed out his familiarity to Ys in these panels.
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 29, 2023 19:07:11 GMT
On the second thought, this “Coyote” apparition did nothing unequivocally smart.
Thus another explanation is that it’s not that tricky, but barely sentient. I mean, it spawned with a clear objective: to gloat about Loup’s angst and facilitate advancement of the plan. No angst? The script is derailed. So it takes the most straightforward route: identifies obstacles to the script and then tries to eliminate them in order of immediate importance, even if one is practically irrelevant.
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Post by drmemory on Jul 29, 2023 19:48:56 GMT
Speaking of open mouths, Loup is very clearly missing the tooth in panel 3. Nice. I wonder what Coyote is hoping for here. I thought he wanted Loup to come with him and show that new deity who's boss. I still think he is working to his earlier plan and trying to set up a situation that will force Annie to kill Loup. We're not quite there yet but it's heading that way.
A lot of moving parts though - they are fighting in the presence of Zimmy and Gamma, the Court still wants power, Annie still has the tooth... and perhaps most importantly, Loup still doesn't know Coyote's plan nor agree it is awesome. Any chance he might not figure it out pre-stabbing?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 29, 2023 23:08:11 GMT
On the second thought, this “Coyote” apparition did nothing unequivocally smart. Thus another explanation is that it’s not that tricky, but barely sentient. I mean, it spawned with a clear objective: to gloat about Loup’s angst and facilitate advancement of the plan. No angst? The script is derailed. So it takes the most straightforward route: identifies obstacles to the script and then tries to eliminate them in order of immediate importance, even if one is practically irrelevant. Maybe Coyote was always manipulative, cunning, and powerful but not particularly smart and underdeveloped in the self-control department. Maybe being able to look into people's deepest selves easily made him seem insightful to beings who can't. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 30, 2023 17:05:37 GMT
...Question not exactly related to this page, but popping up in my head because of the Ysengrin-ity of the page:
What did Ysegnrin die from, exactly? Coyote, sure, he died by a bite in the neck, cool, cool. What about Ysengrin? Did he die from... Coyotness?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 30, 2023 17:59:00 GMT
...Question not exactly related to this page, but popping up in my head because of the Ysengrin-ity of the page: What did Ysegnrin die from, exactly? Coyote, sure, he died by a bite in the neck, cool, cool. What about Ysengrin? Did he die from... Coyotness? I don't believe he did die. When he got Coyote's powers he remade himself into "Loup" (changing himself in the direction of what his ideal of a canine god was) and then disguised himself as Jerrek, which changed him further. In the past I likened it to upgrading a computer, discussed if it really is a new computer or not depending on which parts were swapped out; more recently I've found it useful to compare this situation to a survivor of (narcissistic?) abuse going on to abuse others. Coyote emerging from "Loup" to end Lana when "Loup"/Jerrek wanted to live openly and honestly makes perfect sense to me when viewed that way. It's correct to say that "Loup" is a new being, though that is very incomplete. It's not entirely wrong to say that "Loup" is Ysengrin with Coyote's power, though the more he changes the more wrong it becomes. He is in danger of dying from Coyote-ness, though. He has a lot of Coyote in him. His pain and rage keeps his will strong and makes him a fit vessel for Coyote's power... which is why I think Coyote is currently pleased, but eventually I think he'll falter and remember he was Coyote all along. As long as "Loup" wants the fear and awe that Coyote's power (and tactics) bring he's not going to be able to give it up and find other ways of relating to people, particularly Antimony. And so, I wait to see what the MC will do. I think there's reason to believe she'll do better than Surma would have. |
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Post by jda on Jul 31, 2023 1:14:49 GMT
Ysengrin rage activate! Coyote looks suspiciously happy about this. What doesn't Coyote look suspiciously happy about everything? |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 31, 2023 6:46:43 GMT
What doesn't Coyote look suspiciously happy about everything? He's laughing in panel 2 |
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Loupengrin has just taken the bait and everything is [mostly] going according to plan.
