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Post by arf on Feb 12, 2020 8:05:55 GMT
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Post by Angry Individual on Feb 12, 2020 8:08:30 GMT
Kat's Ascension to Mildly Aggravated Godhood Begins
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 8:09:04 GMT
I'll do the honours; panel one refers to the so-called Flammarion engraving, previously alluded to in Treatise Five. belated edit: It disappoints me that Annie doesn't seem to probe Zimmy on Kat's terrifying appearance in the Ether -- despite having seen this herself, and intensely affected by it, during and immediately after Jeanne's liberation. Zimmy's comment should make diverse alarums go off at once for Annie; it's uncharacteristic, I think, given Antimony's prompt recall of e.g. Lamet when hearing of his death, for her to gloss over it. It even conveys new information to the readers (Zimmy was perhaps not terrified because of Kat's appearance being inexplicably alien, but rather because she understands very well what it represents). |
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Post by arf on Feb 12, 2020 8:43:06 GMT
Well, we appear to have a scene switch in the last panel.
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Post by madjack on Feb 12, 2020 8:48:58 GMT
belated edit: It disappoints me that Annie doesn't seem to probe Zimmy on Kat's terrifying appearance in the Ether -- despite having seen this herself, and intensely affected by it, during and immediately after Jeanne's liberation. Zimmy's comment should make diverse alarums go off at once for Annie; it's uncharacteristic, I think, given Antimony's prompt recall of e.g. Lamet when hearing of his death, for her to gloss over it. It even conveys new information to the readers (Zimmy was perhaps not terrified because of Kat's appearance being inexplicably alien, but rather because she understands very well what it represents). Zimmy didn't explicity say her appearance was changed though, she just said that she can't stand to look at Kat. Annie is well enough acquainted with Zimmy's hallucinations but there's a lot of room to misinterpret what she actually said as a kind of underlying discomfort rather than seeing a literal monstrous change in what Kat looks like when Gamma isn't around. Edit: Well, we appear to have a scene switch in the last panel. Given the dialog in the panel directly before it, 99% chance this is where Kat goes too far and it all goes pear shaped. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 12, 2020 8:53:06 GMT
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Post by madjack on Feb 12, 2020 8:59:47 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 12, 2020 9:08:42 GMT
Thanks, is corrected. (At first I thought it was Paz but I recognized the case) |
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Post by noone3 on Feb 12, 2020 9:32:12 GMT
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Post by kayback on Feb 12, 2020 10:01:13 GMT
Given the dialog in the panel directly before it, 99% chance this is where Kat goes too far and it all goes pear shaped. Is it too late to call for Kat being the ultimate antagonist in the story? With her meddling to try Court-ify the ether she undoes the work of the Psychopomps and makes the world not turn, even if unintentionally? |
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Post by wies on Feb 12, 2020 10:19:54 GMT
Such a fascinating and ominious page! And with a gorgeous first panel! (Note: the tower of the Court has taken the place of the tree in the Flammarion Engraving in an interesting switch of symbols) Zimmy is starting to sound more like a fearful prophet of the Things to Come. "You use the Ether or whatever to see things, and your friend is starting to do the same, I bet. I bet she is breaking through to the unseen world and it's grindin' her gears." So...the Ether is not the unseen world, but more like a looking-glass through with you can see things, the unseen world included? I am not sure yet, but it makes sense that Kat can do the same then with a more literal looking-glass. I wonder if we have ever seen the unseen world portrayed? Does it lay beyond the pyschopomps, the Realm of the Dead, beings like arbiter saslamel or contracts? Perhaps Zimmyvision is the thing that came closest to it? In the first panel Zimmy herself stands right in the unseen world. Also: lotta talk about looking and seeing, and we end with the warning to keep an eye on Kat, heh. There is sure lotta eye motives in this comic.
I was a bit frustrated with this chapter because I couldn't see whether it had a central subject, it seemed to move loosely from a romantic argument to the tree elves, then to Paz, then to Zimmy, but now I realize it is all about Kat. I suppose she is about to Move; or to ascend. Zimmy bets Kat is going to ascend, I bet next page will either be the last or second last. This chapter has been ongoing for a while; and it would not be unlike Tom to end it on a shocking or ominious note. |
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Post by grahamf on Feb 12, 2020 10:24:28 GMT
...hang on, does that mean this all started with the transferring robot into his new body being interrupted by the scary judge thing and he interpreter?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 12, 2020 10:59:44 GMT
I'll do the honours; panel one refers to the so-called Flammarion engraving, previously alluded to in Treatise Five. Ah! Brings back very fond memories of one of my first astronomy books, a massive tome of the same name: The Flammarion Book of Astronomy. |
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Post by madjack on Feb 12, 2020 11:03:35 GMT
Is it too late to call for Kat being the ultimate antagonist in the story? They were always going to be pitted against each other at some point. There's never been an antagonist, just people with conflicting needs/methods. With her meddling to try Court-ify the ether she undoes the work of the Psychopomps and makes the world not turn, even if unintentionally? Gunnerkrigg Core, starring Aaron Eckhart as That Guy. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 12, 2020 11:17:24 GMT
I'll do the honours; panel one refers to the so-called Flammarion engraving, previously alluded to in Treatise Five. Here is the original for comparison:  |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 12, 2020 11:38:46 GMT
It's chips, but you gotta provide your own lightly fried fish-fillets. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 12, 2020 11:53:02 GMT
Is it too late to call for Kat being the ultimate antagonist in the story? They were always going to be pitted against each other at some point. There's never been an antagonist, just people with conflicting needs/methods. Who, "they"? Kat and Annie? Or Kat and the Psychopomps? Why? |
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Post by madjack on Feb 12, 2020 12:09:23 GMT
They were always going to be pitted against each other at some point. There's never been an antagonist, just people with conflicting needs/methods. Who, "they"? Kat and Annie? Or Kat and the Psychopomps? Why? I meant Annie and Kat, mostly because the forces supporting each (in their own way) are too heavily opposed to the other. We're already seeing how well Kat reacts to pressure, and if any of the narrative pressure that's historically been put on Annie is brought to bear on Kat, it will not be pretty. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 12, 2020 12:32:04 GMT
Given the dialog in the panel directly before it, 99% chance this is where Kat goes too far and it all goes pear shaped. Is it too late to call for Kat being the ultimate antagonist in the story? With her meddling to try Court-ify the ether she undoes the work of the Psychopomps and makes the world not turn, even if unintentionally? KANEDAAAAAAAAAA |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 12, 2020 14:20:16 GMT
Yeah, it looks like Juliette may be passing off the chips to Kat, who may be standing in front of a line of new robot bodies. Friday may tell... or five Fridays from now.
I'm loving all the Zimmy, but I'm wondering if this is Zimmy and Gamma's goodbye? I hope not(because they're awesome), but if they won't serve a narrative purpose, and she stated the Court is done with them, is this Tom's way of having them bow out of the main comic?
If so, The Inscrutable Adventures of Gamma and Zimmy should totally be in the Extra Comics section.
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Post by shadow3 on Feb 12, 2020 14:56:25 GMT
Kat is the final boss of the series confirmed.
Epic, the battle shall be, when fire meets metal.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 12, 2020 15:45:10 GMT
Is it too late to call for Kat being the ultimate antagonist in the story? They were always going to be pitted against each other at some point. There's never been an antagonist, just people with conflicting needs/methods. "Gunnerkrigg: Civil War," with Kat as Iron... Lady? |
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Post by shaihulud on Feb 12, 2020 17:56:38 GMT
I'll do the honours; panel one refers to the so-called Flammarion engraving, previously alluded to in Treatise Five. Here is the original for comparison: ![]()  Err, I was going to point out that the image puts Zimmy in the position of an angel/wheel/ophan, which is ironic since Kat is the "angel" but for some reason the image won't display?
Edit* All better now, thanks.
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Post by wies on Feb 12, 2020 18:00:04 GMT
I looked again for the first time Zimmy and Kat met. Not much noteworthy, except that Zimmy immediately seems to dislike Kat. But whether that is due her general distrust, or some weird Zimmyision is not clear. |
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Post by Per on Feb 12, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
I could never really reconcile chapter 5 Zimmy picking a fight with chapter 38 Zimmy whimpering and cowering, and kind of attributed it to Tom not having imagined all the specifics at the beginning of the comic.
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Post by wies on Feb 12, 2020 18:31:19 GMT
I could never really reconcile chapter 5 Zimmy picking a fight with chapter 38 Zimmy whimpering and cowering, and kind of attributed it to Tom not having imagined all the specifics at the beginning of the comic. That is possible, yes. Another explanation, though, could be that her vision of Kat only grew terrifying after Robot formed the cult and the myth of the goddess. Maybe like the difference between seeing a thing coming from afar, hazy and distant, and seeing a thing close-up. Pure speculation from my part, though. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 12, 2020 18:49:00 GMT
Here is the original for comparison: ![]() Err, I was going to point out that the image puts Zimmy in the position of an angel/wheel/ophan, which is ironic since Kat is the "angel" but for some reason the image won't display? odd... works for me. Its a JPEG file, converted from the original hi-res TIFF format. You can view it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving |
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Post by shaihulud on Feb 12, 2020 19:24:53 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by MarineMonarch on Feb 12, 2020 20:55:29 GMT
Yeah, it looks like Juliette may be passing off the chips to Kat, who may be standing in front of a line of new robot bodies. Friday may tell... or five Fridays from now. I'm loving all the Zimmy, but I'm wondering if this is Zimmy and Gamma's goodbye? I hope not(because they're awesome), but if they won't serve a narrative purpose, and she stated the Court is done with them, is this Tom's way of having them bow out of the main comic? If so, The Inscrutable Adventures of Gamma and Zimmy should totally be in the Extra Comics section. Thankfully, while I can't remember precisely what his phrasing was or where he said it in the stream, in Tom's most recent Volume 8 Artwork Stream he mentioned that Zimmy and Gamma were still recurring characters, despite how long it's been since they last turned up. I think he said that they're gonna be a bit more present in this part of the comic actually? Just that there hadn't been a place for them in a while. We ain't seen the tail end of these girls yet, thank god. |
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Post by fia on Feb 12, 2020 21:33:28 GMT
The 'unseen world' could be the abstracted world of Forms, a la traditional Platonism; that is, if Zimmy can be understood as saying that appearances cannot possibly constitute the whole of Reality, then the 'unseen' is a part of the 'Real', but it is not 'visible'.
Unless, of course, you 'see' it in the philosophical sense in which you can 'see' Forms, idealized universals and grounding principles that aren't objects, or in the same sense in which mathematicians 'see' the truth of theorems that are deductively proven true. Zimmy probably has no use for foundational principles, since what happens to her is sort of random, cruel, chaotic, and really best not to think about if you can help it. Annie, we know, is really bad at abstraction in that sense, in general, although she is gifted with the ability to see with a kind of 'third eye', so in that sense she 'sees' part of the 'unseen'.
Probably the ether she knows is only a part of the 'unseen', though.
Which is maybe why Kat is doing something genuinely transcendent, if Zimmy is right.
But Zimmy's previous points of conversation lead me to think Kat isn't really going to get what she wants out of it? Because the world is "unfair to people like your friend and your dad". Maybe that means the principles don't actually make sense, or at least are not strictly inferrable from what you can observe.
So Kat is getting somewhere, but she'll never get to the end of it. She can't know everything. (Mysterianism, again).
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