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Post by philman on Jan 29, 2020 8:10:57 GMT
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Post by wies on Jan 29, 2020 8:12:43 GMT
(deleted my thread. Was funny we got the same title, more or less)
So, wondering whether with if where she "used to live" refers to Zimmingham, Birningham or something else. It sounds weird to me that there would be other (unlucky) people in Zimmingham, because I pretty much assumed it is a place solely for her, and then Gamma later. (Perhaps the unlucky people are those who got sucked up in Zimmingham like with Annie, Kat and Jack?)
Or it is maybe a reality where people like her have acess to, and so it is less a personal reality.
Also were the Annies not already aware neither of them is the Orginal Annie?
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Post by madjack on Jan 29, 2020 8:16:46 GMT
Well we all know someone who's unlucky, don't we? |
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Post by basser on Jan 29, 2020 8:21:41 GMT
Fits great with my "Zimmy is this timeline's Annie" theory if we assume the hospital was in Birmingham and the unlucky people were accidental casualties of Tony's experiments.
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Post by jda on Jan 29, 2020 8:25:10 GMT
Fits great with my "Zimmy is this timeline's Annie" theory if we assume the hospital was in Birmingham and the unlucky people were accidental casualties of Tony's experiments. Sounds like a deranged psycopath. I buy it. |
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Post by Igniz on Jan 29, 2020 9:32:38 GMT
"- ...Or both will get zapped an' I'm gonna take yer place?  " |
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Post by wies on Jan 29, 2020 9:33:05 GMT
Reread "New contract" and yeah, they learn here that they both actually have taken the place of the Original Annie and probably have to go back to their own timelines. Weird that a) the Annies seem to be still thinking in terms of spllitting (unless they talk about that in the upcoming pages) and b) that they are now only thinking of the consequences of fixing what Loup did. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 29, 2020 10:48:07 GMT
Reread "New contract" and yeah, they learn here that they both actually have taken the place of the Original Annie and probably have to go back to their own timelines. Weird that a) the Annies seem to be still thinking in terms of spllitting (unless they talk about that in the upcoming pages) and b) that they are now only thinking of the consequences of fixing what Loup did. This could be setting up a new, interesting possible conflict with Kat... Kat wants to return O!Annie to this timeline (whatever that means, depending on your O!Annie theory), but that necessarily changes the situation of F!Annie and C!Annie, who get separated (or remerged?) and sent back to their timeline(s). But F and C have grown fond of each other now, and more used to the very odd situation, and don't want it to change.... |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 29, 2020 11:43:44 GMT
How helpful! Anyway, by now the timelines should be different enough so as not to collapse into one when they get their respective Annies back, so regardless of who gets zapped away where, in the end, all Annies should be alone again. Fits great with my "Zimmy is this timeline's Annie" theory if we assume the hospital was in Birmingham and the unlucky people were accidental casualties of Tony's experiments. The more you add to it, the more I am falling in love with your theory (even if I sincerely doubt it will turn out to be right)! Maybe you should take up writing mystery stories yourself (if you are not already doing that)? I would read them all. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 29, 2020 14:29:59 GMT
It would really help, if we/they had clarification on which theory was true, Timelines or Split Flame. Zimmy could be talking about something completely different, or she could be 100% correct, depending on what Loup really did. The only reason we have the Timelines theory is because of Clippy's statements, but he may not have known what he was talking about. Zimmy is talking about Split Flame, but in a way that means the "flame" can't recombine. Only Loup can really say, and he's far from a reliable source(he might not even know what he did).
Tom's comment under the comic is priceless. I, for one, like the twins. I hope they stay.
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Post by wies on Jan 29, 2020 14:35:35 GMT
I am still a bit baffled by the whole timeline shifting - I may be biased, because I dislike the concept of alternate timelines - I understood why Tom might want to split Annie: a great way to express the inner conflict between the two sides within Annie; but I don't get why he did this.
A handy way to review a work of art is to ask three questions: what is the author trying to do?, did they succeed? and: was it worth it? (Robovoice: it was worth it)
And I am failing to answer the first question with the timeline shifting.
If this resolves (somehow), will the two Annies have disappeared? And will Organnie return the same as exactly as how she was when she went? That seems a waste of time if so, so I suppose it will resolve in a different manner, but I have no clue how.
I suppose I have to wait for the conclusion of this arc to see what Tom was trying to do.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 29, 2020 15:21:43 GMT
It would really help, if we/they had clarification on which theory was true, Timelines or Split Flame. Zimmy could be talking about something completely different, or she could be 100% correct, depending on what Loup really did. Probably something completely different. Annies didn't mention timeline thing to anyone else. Let alone that neither of them is local (which shows right now). This may be a wise strategy, in that it provides a simple test to weed out potential helpers: those who will notice what's going on know what they are talking about. Assuming they trust Clippy. |
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Post by mordekai on Jan 29, 2020 15:29:41 GMT
Okay, maybe those who call Zimmy a demon weren't so wrong as we thought, because she seems to come from Hell, or close enough...
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 29, 2020 16:08:24 GMT
It's funny that they would want to fix things, i.e. bring back one Annie, and not consider the consequences - that the comic "camera" would stop following one of the Annies around.
In any case, I don't think Zimmy's right. From the perspective of this world, both Annies would get "zapped away." Whether or not this world gets its own Annie back is anybody's guess.
My impulse is to assume that Forest, the one we followed out of the forest, would be "prime" Annie, but I could be wrong. The other has her own timeline.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 29, 2020 16:45:51 GMT
Fits great with my "Zimmy is this timeline's Annie" theory if we assume the hospital was in Birmingham and the unlucky people were accidental casualties of Tony's experiments. I also like this theory, although I suspect it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. This universe appears to have already had an Annie, or else it wouldn't have recognized Court or Forest. Also there was a Zimmy in the "prime" universe (who besides all of the reality-warping shenanigans, created an unspeakable horror for a science project). And if the Annies leave, and Zimmy takes off a mask to reveal "third Annie," who is Gamma? |
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Post by shaihulud on Jan 29, 2020 17:45:47 GMT
Fits great with my "Zimmy is this timeline's Annie" theory if we assume the hospital was in Birmingham and the unlucky people were accidental casualties of Tony's experiments. I also like this theory, although I suspect it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. This universe appears to have already had an Annie, or else it wouldn't have recognized Court or Forest. Also there was a Zimmy in the "prime" universe (who besides all of the reality-warping shenanigans, created an unspeakable horror for a science project). And if the Annies leave, and Zimmy takes off a mask to reveal "third Annie," who is Gamma? Gamma is obviously a dead goose by a lake. |
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Post by Igniz on Jan 29, 2020 20:54:36 GMT
And then the goose remembered: "Oh! I am Kat too!"
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Post by shaihulud on Jan 29, 2020 21:05:45 GMT
Was Kat also... YOU?
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Post by netherdan on Jan 29, 2020 23:41:23 GMT
The voice of reason
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Post by migrantworker on Jan 30, 2020 15:01:03 GMT
Ehh. Could Annies be a bit more probing for once?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 1, 2020 17:14:37 GMT
In any case, I don't think Zimmy's right. From the perspective of this world, both Annies would get "zapped away." Whether or not this world gets its own Annie back is anybody's guess. My impulse is to assume that Forest, the one we followed out of the forest, would be "prime" Annie, but I could be wrong. The other has her own timeline. If F!Annie is the original (ie, Clippy saying she didnt belong here was because eg, she should have died already - perhaps when falling off the bridge) then only C!Annie gets zapped away. Zimmy seems to think that is what will happen ("who stays?" and "is one of you gonna get zapped away?"), and claims she's seen this sort of thing before... I suppose she could be wrong tho.... |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 2, 2020 0:17:29 GMT
In any case, I don't think Zimmy's right. From the perspective of this world, both Annies would get "zapped away." Whether or not this world gets its own Annie back is anybody's guess. My impulse is to assume that Forest, the one we followed out of the forest, would be "prime" Annie, but I could be wrong. The other has her own timeline. If F!Annie is the original (ie, Clippy saying she didnt belong here was because eg, she should have died already - perhaps when falling off the bridge) then only C!Annie gets zapped away. Zimmy seems to think that is what will happen ("who stays?" and "is one of you gonna get zapped away?"), and claims she's seen this sort of thing before... I suppose she could be wrong tho.... Interesting theory. It still requires multiple universes. Court Annie hasn't said anything about people assuming she should be dead. ("You're Annie? But you died!" Or "you were dead, and now there's two of you!") This universe's Annie survived whatever it was that should have killed her. Either Forest or Court is "our" Annie, original recipe. She survived, and we've been following her progress ever since. (If it's Court, we somehow switched from "original Annie" to "other Annie" without noticing when Forest left the forest.) Either way, the "other Annie" (whichever one of the two is left) must come from a different universe than "original Annie." (She also survived.) Clippy said that "neither of you should be here." If we interpret this to mean "you shouldn't be here because you should be dead," that suggests a third universe where Annie didn't survive. Otherwise, Clippy is just being a lying **** without any apparent motive. (It's a lie of omission rather than a flat-out lie.) |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 2, 2020 3:34:28 GMT
If F!Annie is the original (ie, Clippy saying she didnt belong here was because eg, she should have died already - perhaps when falling off the bridge) then only C!Annie gets zapped away. Zimmy seems to think that is what will happen ("who stays?" and "is one of you gonna get zapped away?"), and claims she's seen this sort of thing before... I suppose she could be wrong tho.... Interesting theory. It still requires multiple universes. Court Annie hasn't said anything about people assuming she should be dead. ("You're Annie? But you died!" Or "you were dead, and now there's two of you!") This universe's Annie survived whatever it was that should have killed her. Either Forest or Court is "our" Annie, original recipe. She survived, and we've been following her progress ever since. (If it's Court, we somehow switched from "original Annie" to "other Annie" without noticing when Forest left the forest.) Either way, the "other Annie" (whichever one of the two is left) must come from a different universe than "original Annie." (She also survived.) Clippy said that "neither of you should be here." If we interpret this to mean "you shouldn't be here because you should be dead," that suggests a third universe where Annie didn't survive. Otherwise, Clippy is just being a lying **** without any apparent motive. (It's a lie of omission rather than a flat-out lie.) Yup, still need multiple universes, but one less Annie. Forest is the original, but she should have died falling off the bridge (so I guess there is a universe where this happened, that then continues sadly without Forest). The Tic-tocs intervened to save her, but this was perhaps a hack by Kat, who designed them and sent them back in time to save her. (Not my idea, Im cribbing off some other, more clever folk!) |
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Post by netherdan on Feb 2, 2020 22:26:11 GMT
Yup, still need multiple universes, but one less Annie. Forest is the original, but she should have died falling off the bridge (so I guess there is a universe where this happened, that then continues sadly without Forest). The Tic-tocs intervened to save her, but this was perhaps a hack by Kat, who designed them and sent them back in time to save her. (Not my idea, Im cribbing off some other, more clever folk!) I imagine the universe without Annie residing a handful of years into the future and having a full fledged mecha-goddess Kat who built the Tic Tocs to save Annie in order to free her past self from becoming mecha-goddess Kat. Judging by how the dead birds kept growing and "infecting" the land to convert it into Court tech, I speculate that Kat is a paradoxal being who created, or more precisely allowed the conditions for herself to be created, by sending back in time the Seed Bismuth itself (the first Tic Toc egg). All done by mistakingly thinking she was sending it to locate "real Annie" in another timeline, but instead she sent it some 400 years earlier than expected. And that's the reason the Tic Tocs saved Annie. PS: after reading what I wrote again and remembering this chapter's treatise, I suspect that at least the creation of the egg will be done in this chapter. Would be funny to see the Annies and Kat skimming through all the Court's history through the eyes of the Tic Tocs, especially when Zimmy throw a stick at it! PPS: now I'm trying to wrap my head around this theory and the first paragraph stopped making sense! There isn't a need for a third universe without Annie if Kat paradoxically created the Court, because she's living in this same universe in which she saved Annie (or will save some chapters from now, depending on point of view). That means the entire history of the Court up to Kat sending the egg is a single time loop with a split in between caused by Loup. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 3, 2020 2:09:40 GMT
It really says a lot about "Gunnerkrigg Court" that "three universes" is the least complicated explanation for a plot development.
However, I would not be surprised if Tom throws Occam's Razor out the window.
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Post by netherdan on Feb 3, 2020 13:16:04 GMT
It really says a lot about "Gunnerkrigg Court" that "three universes" is the least complicated explanation for a plot development. However, I would not be surprised if Tom throws Occam's Razor out the window. This might hurt someone... Or a lot of ones |
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