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Post by Timberwere on Jan 22, 2020 8:01:47 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 22, 2020 8:35:08 GMT
Ok, sign me up as intrigued. Why wouldn't the forest creatures want to come close to the Chester class, and was this an outcome the Court expected when they left an ENTIRE CLASS BEHIND?
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Post by arf on Jan 22, 2020 8:53:33 GMT
Remember Rey's reaction when he first met Zimmy? Possibly the forest beasties are getting the same vibes.
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Post by arf on Jan 22, 2020 8:55:05 GMT
... would be interesting to see what the rest of Chester think of these two.
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Post by jda on Jan 22, 2020 8:57:40 GMT
Ok, sign me up as intrigued. Why wouldn't the forest creatures want to come close to the Chester class, and was this an outcome the Court expected when they left an ENTIRE CLASS BEHIND? Well, they are a bunch of weirdos, you know, the freak show. Now, imagine an entire class where Zimmy is an average student. I wouldn't want to mess with them, also... EDIT: Word of Tom confirms: "What are the students in Chester house like? So far we've seen people from Foley, Thornhill and Queslett. Thornhill and Queslett seem to be made up of ordinary kids (well, relatively). Is Chester the same? Tom: Zimmy and Gamma are both from Chester, so that might give some indication." |
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Post by Igniz on Jan 22, 2020 9:09:12 GMT
The Court does deliberately withhold surveillance from Chester students. I would not put it past them to include a general If subject == Students.Chester { subject.ignore; } directive into their programs. (I would also not put it past them to have a special way of tracking them, which does not upset them. There has to be some reason they were invited to the Court after all.) Updated in accordance to the latest information.  P.S. Cookies to you.  |
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Post by wies on Jan 22, 2020 9:20:54 GMT
I wonder what it is that makes Chester so different from other houses. In this page jda linked it is also mentioned that Surma and Anja should have been "left" in Chester. And while rudely formulated, it is a good question. In the present we know there are more kids with magical gifts in Annie's year and house than just Paz. (though apparently not that much more) Why are these children not in Chester? What is it that marks children as fit for Chester, according to the Court? Maybe it is the nature of their magical gifts? Like, Zimmy's powers are more dangerous than Paz and even Annie's abilities. Jack can testify to that.
I think it is connected with the Forest's seeming disgust or fear of them. Why would they leave Chester house alone?
Also anyone an idea in which house the Forest inhabitants live in? Like the Rabbit and the Faeries.
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Post by madjack on Jan 22, 2020 9:23:57 GMT
Narrator: Loup was not, in fact, fun.
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Post by Elysium on Jan 22, 2020 9:35:10 GMT
Chester is where all the cools kids hang out.
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Post by lemmingatk on Jan 22, 2020 11:56:14 GMT
Sleepy Gamma is a pro panel-bomber.
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 22, 2020 13:01:00 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? But surely that is not the only reason to invite them. Keeping the rest of the world safe from them (As if the Court was interested in that!)? Test subjects? That seems more like it. But we have never seen any kind of research being performed on Zimmy either. Sadly, even Jack, the student best at penetrating Court security, has trouble finding out. We have never seen any other students or teachers from Chester, have we (except for Anja and Surma who had been there for a while)? I wonder what it is that makes Chester so different from other houses. In this page jda linked it is also mentioned that Surma and Anja should have been "left" in Chester. And while rudely formulated, it is a good question. In the present we know there are more kids with magical gifts in Annie's year and house than just Paz. (though apparently not that much more) Why are these children not in Chester? What is it that marks children as fit for Chester, according to the Court? Maybe it is the nature of their magical gifts? Like, Zimmy's powers are more dangerous than Paz and even Annie's abilities. Jack can testify to that. I think it is connected with the Forest's seeming disgust or fear of them. Why would they leave Chester house alone?
Also anyone an idea in which house the Forest inhabitants live in? Like the Rabbit and the Faeries.
Which is, incidentally, also one of the less-monitored houses. The Court does deliberately withhold surveillance from Chester students. I would not put it past them to include a general If subject == Students.Chester { subject.ignore; } directive into their programs. (I would also not put it past them to have a special way of tracking them, which does not upset them. There has to be some reason they were invited to the Court after all.) Updated in accordance to the latest information. P.S. Cookies to you. Oh, thanks! Although I wonder if that had always been Court policy towards all of Chester, or only since the attack. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 22, 2020 14:21:44 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? Or lightning rods. Perhaps the Court realized, that in its grand scheme to mix Etheric teenagers in a box together, they may end up with some powerful and chaotic students. Makes me wonder why they had Anya in there for a bit? She's certainly talented, but why'd they think she was potentially dangerous. That may be the unofficial designation for Chester: Potentially Dangerous. |
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Post by kaz on Jan 22, 2020 14:42:15 GMT
I think it is connected with the Forest's seeming disgust or fear of them. Why would they leave Chester house alone? The name "Chester" comes from the Latin "castrum" , which is a fortified location. Perhaps Chester house are part of a defensive line, somehow? |
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Post by philman on Jan 22, 2020 15:37:36 GMT
I think it is connected with the Forest's seeming disgust or fear of them. Why would they leave Chester house alone? The name "Chester" comes from the Latin "castrum" , which is a fortified location. Perhaps Chester house are part of a defensive line, somehow? Possibly? Although Word of Tom has previously said that the 4 Houses are named after the same 4 Houses at his old Real Life school, so that might be a bit of a stretch, or coincidence. So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? But surely that is not the only reason to invite them. Keeping the rest of the world safe from them (As if the Court was interested in that!)? The Court often takes an interest in interesting or dangerous individuals, maybe not strictly to protect the world from them, but also to protect them from the world, as well as to research them or potentially utilise their powers or future potential. We've seen that when they recruited Jones (unique individual, has run into trouble for being immortal in the past), Eglamore (We don't know whether he has special powers, or the Court just detected some potential in him to recruit him from his family), as well as Zimmy (We saw here that being at the Court has mutual benefits for both sides). Protecting the world from them may be a secondary function, but it is a two way relationship |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 22, 2020 15:41:12 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? Or lightning rods. Perhaps the Court realized, that in its grand scheme to mix Etheric teenagers in a box together, they may end up with some powerful and chaotic students. Makes me wonder why they had Anya in there for a bit? She's certainly talented, but why'd they think she was potentially dangerous. That may be the unofficial designation for Chester: Potentially Dangerous. Zimmy: "It isn't dangerous, you prats!" |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 22, 2020 16:32:09 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? But surely that is not the only reason to invite them. Keeping the rest of the world safe from them (As if the Court was interested in that!)? The Court often takes an interest in interesting or dangerous individuals, maybe not strictly to protect the world from them, but also to protect them from the world, as well as to research them or potentially utilise their powers or future potential. We've seen that when they recruited Jones (unique individual, has run into trouble for being immortal in the past), Eglamore (We don't know whether he has special powers, or the Court just detected some potential in him to recruit him from his family), as well as Zimmy (We saw here that being at the Court has mutual benefits for both sides). Protecting the world from them may be a secondary function, but it is a two way relationship One would think that, but we have yet to be shown in-comic what benefit the Court gains from keeping Zimmy around. They could have lost a promising student (Jack) to madness because of her ("Power Station" and "Spring Heeled"), and might have lost an entire year's worth of students to an Etheric distortion because of her unique condition ("Torn Sea"). Granted, what happened on that ship was only possible through the Seraph's meddling, but it still is somewhat similar to letting the door to your lab full of dangerous devices unlocked. ...Which takes my train of thought to another stop: If Jack was not able to find any information on Zimmy, how were those goofball robots able to find out what she was capable of, and how to unleash it? Do they have access to classified information, and does the court know about that? Again this leads me to one of the few points of criticism I have with the comic: Never having been shown any sort of reaction from the Court side after Torn Sea. So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? Or lightning rods. Perhaps the Court realized, that in its grand scheme to mix Etheric teenagers in a box together, they may end up with some powerful and chaotic students. Makes me wonder why they had Anya in there for a bit? She's certainly talented, but why'd they think she was potentially dangerous. That may be the unofficial designation for Chester: Potentially Dangerous. "You shoulda zapped him, Anja! Woulda teached him!" This strongly implies that Anja has more than just defensive magic in her arsenal. Combine this with Anja's response: "You know people they don't like when we use our magics. Things are different in Queslett. They get angry." So it seems if a Chester students zaps another with magic, it is nothing unusual? I would really like to see an average day in Chester now. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 22, 2020 16:43:50 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? If the Court were crafty, they could march a battalion of Chester students thru the red zones to clear them of pesky Forest invaders... periodic sweeps of the area by the Chesters could make it potentially semi-usable again for the others... |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 22, 2020 18:40:12 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? If the Court were crafty, they could march a battalion of Chester students thru the red zones to clear them of pesky Forest invaders... periodic sweeps of the area by the Chesters could make it potentially semi-usable again for the others... The challenge would probably be to get any of the Chester weirdos doing what you want them to do...Especially when they are used to being left to their own devices (do they even have classes over there?).
The Foleys, on the other hand, seem much more happy following orders...
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 22, 2020 18:51:55 GMT
Honestly, this page is just confirmation of an old suspicion of mine, that the Court just kinda provides food & shelter for Chester, and in exchange, Chester just kind of does their own thing and leaves everyone else alone (and maybe comes in for scientists to poke & prod at them once in a while). I imagine something a lot like Foley, where the older generation teaches the newest ones, except all the kids are somehow even weirder and less productive. I have to admit, I am still pretty unclear on exactly what flavor of weirdness is required for a kid to be put in Chester. Surma said she and Anja were put into Chester by mistake, which means that their powers must be similar to that particular "Chester-ness", but also definitively not the same. So how do Zimmy & Gamma's powers compare to Surma & Anja's? Obviously, they're both magic, but lots of other kids outside Chester are magic. Anja & Surma can control their powers, and Zimmy can't, but Andrew can't really control his any more than Zimmy can. And as he himself pointed out, his powers can be pretty harmful if he isn't careful, so that doesn't really seem like something unique to Chester, either.
At this point, I think the best guess I have for what makes someone a Chester candidate is how hard it is for them to hide their weirdness. In Queslett (and maybe Thornhilll), everyone is supposed to be able to fit in to normal human society, so you can still have magic powers as long as you don't use them too much and make people uncomfortable. Then, if you can't hide your powers for some reason (and you aren't from Gillitie), they put you in Chester so you can be as weird as you like and be comfortable in a community of other people who don't give a s**t about normal human society.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 22, 2020 19:02:10 GMT
Chester sounds like a cross between Slytherin and Animal House - They get left behind because they are the "weirdos," if Zimmy is typical, they are dark but not evil, and perhaps not particularly well liked by the other houses.
Unless they deliberately and specifically want to keep Chester separated, I can't imagine why they would leave a house behind when they fled.
("All three houses safely moved to the coast, sir." "Aren't there four houses?" "...")
If it's a case of "we have to leave somebody behind to monitor the situation," they definitely wouldn't leave Foley behind, because it's apparently full of former forest creatures. We wouldn't want them to switch sides if the barrier failed and the forest came flooding in.
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Post by wies on Jan 22, 2020 19:07:27 GMT
So it appears the Court might use the Chester students deliberately as scarecrows against the forest creatures? But surely that is not the only reason to invite them. Keeping the rest of the world safe from them (As if the Court was interested in that!)? Test subjects? That seems more like it. But we have never seen any kind of research being performed on Zimmy either. Sadly, even Jack, the student best at penetrating Court security, has trouble finding out. We have never seen any other students or teachers from Chester, have we (except for Anja and Surma who had been there for a while)? I wonder what it is that makes Chester so different from other houses. In this page jda linked it is also mentioned that Surma and Anja should have been "left" in Chester. And while rudely formulated, it is a good question. In the present we know there are more kids with magical gifts in Annie's year and house than just Paz. (though apparently not that much more) Why are these children not in Chester? What is it that marks children as fit for Chester, according to the Court? Maybe it is the nature of their magical gifts? Like, Zimmy's powers are more dangerous than Paz and even Annie's abilities. Jack can testify to that. I think it is connected with the Forest's seeming disgust or fear of them. Why would they leave Chester house alone?
Also anyone an idea in which house the Forest inhabitants live in? Like the Rabbit and the Faeries.
Which is, incidentally, also one of the less-monitored houses. Ah, thank you! And yeah, House Chester could probably be test subjects. Perhaps to some etherical tampering, which could explain the Forest's distaste. There is something shady going on there in any case; why else would the Court block information on it? I see why Foley was not left behind, I imagine Ysengrin is not the only one in the Forest who would consider them traitors. |
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Post by flowsthead on Jan 22, 2020 19:34:30 GMT
I wonder exactly how much Annie told Zimmy. As in, did she tell Zimmy about Coyote's items? About how Shadow was created? Everything about Jeanne? How much context does the Loup story need and how much does she trust Zimmy?
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Post by mordekai on Jan 22, 2020 21:23:23 GMT
With regards to Chester, I will repeat my old theory: Anyway, I think it's clear that the Court never even tried to change Annie's behavior. They merely observed it, and drew conclusions from it, basically treating her more like a rat lab than a student. Isn't that true for all the children? The pupils from Chester are freaks like Zimmy and Gamma, brought there to be studied, and if any of them shows potential to be integrated or employed (like Anja and Surma), they are pulled out of there. The kids from Foley are grown in a lab, given the soul of Gillie Forest's creatures, kept isolated from the world, denied even a name (which means being denied humanity and individuality) until they graduate, and what happens with those who aren't employed by the Court after graduation? What fate awaits them? The kids from Queslett are mostly normal, but they all have some special power or gift that may be useful for the Court when they grow up. Many are children of gifted people employed by the Court. Thornhill seems to be the house for "normals"; children of Court's employees who still haven't shown any special gift, but who could express it in the future. If not, they can be employed anyway. The school is obviously a sort of farm to produce supernaturally gifted future employees for the Court. My theory goes like this: The Court needs supernaturally gifted people to advance their goal of controlling the Ether and the etheric power, so they seek that people around the world: Those who show potential are sent to Queslett, where they are trained as Court employees, while those who are too damaged, too weird, too uncontrollable, too undisciplined or too lacking academical talents are sent to Chester to be studied. A few of Chester's may get "fixed" enough to be recycled and sent to Queslett; many of them will be judged useless and kicked out of the Court; others are kept around doing menial or minor jobs, but their true purpose is to act as "breeding stock" to get more gifted children; and others will be quietly disposed of... Foley is quite literally a breeding installation for supernaturally gifted people. I doubt most of Foley's kids are entrusted important jobs when they grow up, they come from the forest, after all, but they bring fresh magical blood to the mix; their children or grandchildren or great-granchildren will be members of Queslett. And Thornhill? Well, sometimes the employees of the court have "normal" children, or maybe their gifts take their time to express, but those are the children of members of the Court, so they need to receive an education, so they are sent there. While Annie's parentage make her a Queslett recruit, many people in the Court probably see her as a Chester or Foley stuff. A lab rat to be studied, or a broodmare with strong magical blood, and they don't care her education too much. And anyways, even if she became useful for the Court, they would use her etheric, survival and diplomatic skills, not the academical ones. |
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Post by Sauzels on Jan 22, 2020 21:27:42 GMT
Is thiiiiis setup to meet more of Chester? 👀
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 23, 2020 0:11:21 GMT
Chester sounds like a cross between Slytherin and Animal House - They get left behind because they are the "weirdos," if Zimmy is typical, they are dark but not evil, and perhaps not particularly well liked by the other houses. Unless they deliberately and specifically want to keep Chester separated, I can't imagine why they would leave a house behind when they fled. ("All three houses safely moved to the coast, sir." "Aren't there four houses?" "...") If it's a case of "we have to leave somebody behind to monitor the situation," they definitely wouldn't leave Foley behind, because it's apparently full of former forest creatures. We wouldn't want them to switch sides if the barrier failed and the forest came flooding in. Maybe one of the kids in Chester has the power of making everybody else forget Chester exists. |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 23, 2020 0:33:42 GMT
Anja & Surma can control their powers, and Zimmy can't, but Andrew can't really control his any more than Zimmy can. And as he himself pointed out, his powers can be pretty harmful if he isn't careful, so that doesn't really seem like something unique to Chester, either. Andrew has a lot more general control of his powers than Zimmy. He can decide what to focus his "order making ability" (anti-entropy?) on - eg, a card deck, or Parley's bips. He cant control the details about how a result is arrived at though - eg, wanting Parley to be safe ended up getting himself stabbed by Jeanne. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 23, 2020 0:59:54 GMT
Chester sounds like a cross between Slytherin and Animal House - They get left behind because they are the "weirdos," if Zimmy is typical, they are dark but not evil, and perhaps not particularly well liked by the other houses. Unless they deliberately and specifically want to keep Chester separated, I can't imagine why they would leave a house behind when they fled. ("All three houses safely moved to the coast, sir." "Aren't there four houses?" "...") If it's a case of "we have to leave somebody behind to monitor the situation," they definitely wouldn't leave Foley behind, because it's apparently full of former forest creatures. We wouldn't want them to switch sides if the barrier failed and the forest came flooding in. Maybe one of the kids in Chester has the power of making everybody else forget Chester exists. It's plausible. Superheroes have done it to protect their secret identities. And it's standard issue for the MiB. |
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Post by pasko on Jan 23, 2020 8:25:29 GMT
I am not in danger.
I *am* the danger.
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Post by migrantworker on Jan 23, 2020 17:44:13 GMT
Remember Rey's reaction when he first met Zimmy? Possibly the forest beasties are getting the same vibes. I'm no forest beast, but I get an ominous vibe from Zimmy's nonchalance. |
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Post by jda on Jan 24, 2020 6:26:13 GMT
Is thiiiiis setup to meet more of Chester? 👀 "So, since your friends are a jerks, Isppose you'd like to meet another bunch of freaks, Carver!" |
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