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Post by Zox Tomana on Jan 17, 2020 8:17:21 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jan 17, 2020 8:21:21 GMT
Paz saw what Zimmy could bring on the cruise ship, she's brave but that isn't a fight she'd care to take. Those clenched fists say she isn't giving up though.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jan 17, 2020 8:21:31 GMT
Interesting thought:
Zimmy has an interesting perspective on the world. What if there's a possibility that she can see some sort of inherent difference between the two Annies, based on the timeline they're from?
And then is like "Nah, one of you has been here the whole time I've known you." Or "Oh yeah, you seemed a little different but that change happened long ago."
I'm very curious how she's going to tie into this whole thing.
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Post by seraphiixiao on Jan 17, 2020 8:29:09 GMT
Not that it wasn't obvious before, but this really cements the idea that this confrontation was about intimidation and control. So it felt real good to see her huff and stomp away.
If I were Annie, this calls for a long talk with Kat. It's time to open up -- and be completely honest with the events that just transpired. Nobody wants to be the bad guy, especially now, but if my best friend's girlfriend/boyfriend came up to me and tried that kind of stunt? You can be sure I'd be voicing my opinion.
(And I'm not sure how to link yet,) but I have hopes they'll get to that point. Back when Annie was worried Kat would leave her, Kat reminded her that pushing away and running from her worries and problems wouldn't solve anything. That they're always going to be important to each other.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 17, 2020 8:31:43 GMT
"Heh" indeed! Now that Paz has lost her numerical superiority, she goes away in a huff. Let's hope Annie does take away something from all this, though.
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Post by seraphiixiao on Jan 17, 2020 8:32:13 GMT
Paz saw what Zimmy could bring on the cruise ship, she's brave but that isn't a fight she'd care to take. Those clenched fists say she isn't giving up though. I saw it as a, "You keep pushing them and you'll get what you asked for," but you make a really good point! I also think Paz is just pissed because she's lost what sort of advantage she had. |
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Post by Fishy on Jan 17, 2020 8:41:08 GMT
It's interesting to see that people seem to avoid antagonizing Zimmy just by default. It's a useful reputation to have, since she's both cocky... and I would say, not actually that threatening. At least, not intentionally so. She's more of a hazardous person rather than a dangerous one. Unable to control what she does and so unable to benefit from it. That and she easily gets manhandled any time anyone actually does fight with her. It strikes me that people would avoid her out of habit, not out of practicality.
I think of it as... in this situation, were Paz to stand her ground and continue berating Annie, what could Zimmy and Gamma actually do about it? That's like half an extra person on Annie's side of this argument since Gamma can't understand any of it and Zimmy's help has always been... questionable in quality.
Ah, god I missed these two. I'm ready for the rest of this chapter and the next three to be all ZG.
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Post by jda on Jan 17, 2020 8:48:34 GMT
Interesting thought: Zimmy has an interesting perspective on the world. What if there's a possibility that she can see some sort of inherent difference between the two Annies, based on the timeline they're from? And then is like "Nah, one of you has been here the whole time I've known you." Or "Oh yeah, you seemed a little different but that change happened long ago." I'm very curious how she's going to tie into this whole thing. Makes me remember that Zimmy-Vision is the negate of Kat-O-rama. One is a receptor of all that is etheric, while the other must be the life of the party. Man, why dont I ever get to see the cool stuff? |
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Post by noone3 on Jan 17, 2020 8:55:44 GMT
Aaah... Zimmy Zimms! Once again showing us all how to defuse a tense situation... ...with a smile.  |
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Post by coastal on Jan 17, 2020 9:33:03 GMT
"Heh" indeed! Now that Paz has lost her numerical superiority, she goes away in a huff. Let's hope Annie does take away something from all this, though. Unfortunately, what I take away from it is that Kat is not at all open with either Paz or Annie. She's kept Annie from seeing what kind of toll the current situation is taking on her, and she's kept Paz from knowing the nature of what Annie is (and Kat has been) involved with. I hope Kat finds out sooner rather than later that this is not really healthy for her relationships.
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Post by rafk on Jan 17, 2020 9:57:13 GMT
Becky looks a bit "sorry about her, we're cool" to me. |
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Post by linchie on Jan 17, 2020 10:27:14 GMT
Love Gamma’s new hair and I wonder if Tom changed it to not to end up drawing a scene with 3 characters (not counting Becky) sporting almost the same bob cut
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Post by wies on Jan 17, 2020 10:50:08 GMT
"Heh" indeed! Now that Paz has lost her numerical superiority, she goes away in a huff. Let's hope Annie does take away something from all this, though. Unfortunately, what I take away from it is that Kat is not at all open with either Paz or Annie. She's kept Annie from seeing what kind of toll the current situation is taking on her, and she's kept Paz from knowing the nature of what Annie is (and Kat has been) involved with. I hope Kat finds out sooner rather than later that this is not really healthy for her relationships.
Agreed. As frustrating and confrontial Paz has been, I understand where she comes from. We, the readers, are well aware of what Annie's deeds and limits are in this whole business because we have been privy to all events in the Forest Annie was involved in and so don't blame her for what happened. However, Paz does not know that. It seems that she, for years, kept seeing her girlfriend being dragged down in weird and possibly dangerous stuff by Annie. (And boy, I bet she doesn't even know the half of it. I seriously doubt Kat told her about Jeanne (which got Smitty and Ayilu almost killed), and her experiments with the robots and the Arrow.) It is not easy to live with someone keeping secrets from you, and certainly not when you are a teenager. So while I wish she talked it out with Annie instead of threatening her, I can't completely blame her. |
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Post by Corvo on Jan 17, 2020 10:52:43 GMT
"Aw man, I almost had a line there."
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Post by ghostiet on Jan 17, 2020 11:26:06 GMT
It's interesting to see that people seem to avoid antagonizing Zimmy just by default. It's a useful reputation to have, since she's both cocky... and I would say, not actually that threatening. At least, not intentionally so. She's more of a hazardous person rather than a dangerous one. Unable to control what she does and so unable to benefit from it. That and she easily gets manhandled any time anyone actually does fight with her. It strikes me that people would avoid her out of habit, not out of practicality. There is an undercurrent of a certain prejudice in this situation. Remember that no one besides Annie and Kat really know Zimmy, so everyone else just recognizes her as the creepy girl who can cause untold havoc who hangs out with another creepy girl. Like, if you went to school and there was an otherwise alright, timid kid who one day suffered a psychotic break at PE and beat up another random kid out of nowhere, they'd be the creepy violent kid forever. That's honestly worse than being an outright bully or delinquent - people form cliques around bullies, but they don't want nothing to do with "psychos". Paz isn't a bad person, but it's been established that she's comfortable with a surface level of understanding "strange" people like Annie or her. It doesn't help that Zimmy weaponizes this reputation, too. |
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Post by philman on Jan 17, 2020 11:51:20 GMT
I think those other girls being there were to show that it isn't just Paz who is skeptical about Annie, a lot of other people also think she is trouble. Indeed, from everyone elses point of view, every time Annie gets involved in something the situation gets worse. Of course on the other hand, it looks like Becky and the other girl both seem to think that Paz went too far. "Uh, I thought we were going to confront her about causing trouble every time she tries to get involved in things, what was all that stuff about your girlfriend about?!" |
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Post by worldsong on Jan 17, 2020 12:02:14 GMT
It's interesting to see that people seem to avoid antagonizing Zimmy just by default. It's a useful reputation to have, since she's both cocky... and I would say, not actually that threatening. At least, not intentionally so. She's more of a hazardous person rather than a dangerous one. Unable to control what she does and so unable to benefit from it. That and she easily gets manhandled any time anyone actually does fight with her. It strikes me that people would avoid her out of habit, not out of practicality. I think of it as... in this situation, were Paz to stand her ground and continue berating Annie, what could Zimmy and Gamma actually do about it? That's like half an extra person on Annie's side of this argument since Gamma can't understand any of it and Zimmy's help has always been... questionable in quality. Ah, god I missed these two. I'm ready for the rest of this chapter and the next three to be all ZG. Being genuinely creepy or strange is as good a deterrent as being violent or intimidating. It throws people off, they have trouble dealing with it, they'd rather avoid dealing with it if possible. Especially if your kind of creepy/strange includes a healthy dose of potential danger. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 17, 2020 12:05:03 GMT
Not surprised that Paz is beating a fast retreat but I am a little bit shocked that Paz is departing without saying a single word. Look at Becky's friend comforting Paz in panel #6. This was not only a big loss for Paz now but she's not going to have strategic surprise in any future confrontations with Antimonies; they're going to have time to think about the situation and what's fair to say and what's not, maybe even talk to Kat (OMFG) so they're going to be waaaaaaaaay less likely to concede anything to Paz in the future. Things were going so well for Paz, too. ... but to just take the "L" and walk away like this Paz was 1. absolutely certain that the Antimonies weren't going to hurt her no matter what she said and 2. Paz was fully aware of what she was doing and how the situation has changed. She's at least been expressing doubt. Not sure if she's regretful or just wondering what will happen next but she's still trailing along behind Paz and her friend for the moment. I expect that later off-screen Becky will also be comforting Paz and speaking ill of Paz's foes from peer pressure if nothing else, but maybe later when she has had some time to think she may think about stopping following. Or at least follow someone else. Remember that no one besides Annie and Kat really know Zimmy, so everyone else just recognizes her as the creepy girl who can cause untold havoc who hangs out with another creepy girl. Like, if you went to school and there was an otherwise alright, timid kid who one day suffered a psychotic break at PE and beat up another random kid out of nowhere, they'd be the creepy violent kid forever. That's honestly worse than being an outright bully or delinquent - people form cliques around bullies, but they don't want nothing to do with "psychos". Paz isn't a bad person, but it's been established that she's comfortable with a surface level of understanding "strange" people like Annie or her. It doesn't help that Zimmy weaponizes this reputation, too. If I were Zimmy I might do the same thing just to salvage something from the whole situation. But I do wish to point out that in panel #3 Paz isn't looking at Zimmy at all, she's looking up at Gamma. Since you bring it up: Antimony had to repeat a year for cheating, used to blow off detention, hang with dangerous creatures in the Wood. People knew that. I think Paz was counting on that for how this was supposed to play out down the road, attempting to use Antimonies' reputation against them. |
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Post by netherdan on Jan 17, 2020 12:48:12 GMT
About Kat's situation:
She might not be very receptive to the Antimonies after she discovered that they both aren't her Annie! So probably trying to talk to her about their predicament might not bear the expected results.
What I'm thinking is that she, knowing that there are at least two more Katerinas who are desperate to find out what happened to their Annies, is trying to create a device to traverse the Loup created timelines, even if just for communication, and contact the other Kats so they can work together. I predict she will be able to contact first the one who lost her Annie after the "Loup talk" incident, cause that's one split she's aware of, and they will both figure out the third one, who will probably be the one whose Annie died in the first year, and who built the Tic Tocs to save her, not knowing it would just create another timeline and she would never see the results of her efforts. This third (first?) Kat, the original Creator, could then either become a Deus Ex-Machina who solve their problems by sending each Annie back to their original timeline (a convoluted resolution that leaves a lot of dangling plots) or merging the timelines back into one, or they could feel entitled to have one of the Annies since she actually is the one responsible for saving her life, then she becomes the ultimate villain.
That's one of those theories I become less convinced the more I think about it...
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Post by Per on Jan 17, 2020 13:42:34 GMT
Let's hope Annie does take away something from all this, though. I'm not sure there's much to take away that isn't tainted by fear, uncertainty and doubt. Ah, god I missed these two. I'm ready for the rest of this chapter and the next three to be all ZG. Imagine the readership reaction if the next few pages are Zimmy going, "So, real talk, Carver, you're a walking liability and terrible person for this and this reason, and we're walking out of the comic forever so we won't have to look at your duplicated mug again, bye." (exeunt) |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 17, 2020 13:55:33 GMT
Pigeon-eating grin ×1 > Morale support ×2
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2020 13:57:15 GMT
If I were Zimmy I might do the same thing just to salvage something from the whole situation. But I do wish to point out that in panel #3 Paz isn't looking at Zimmy at all, she's looking up at Gamma. And Gamma is giving her a very intense stare, which would be kind of startling after her Zen-like, eyes-closed calm earlier. Sort of a visual emphasis to Zimmster's words, maybe. All the more reason for Paz to make a tactical retreat.... |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2020 14:04:26 GMT
I like how Gamma's hair is going black at the tips... it's probably just a dye job, but you could imagine that after years of absorbing etheric static from Zimms, some of the Zimmster's physical characteristics are starting to leak over as well (like hair color). A few more years and her eyes will start to go smudgy...
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 17, 2020 14:13:45 GMT
Ah, god I missed these two. I'm ready for the rest of this chapter and the next three to be all ZG. Imagine the readership reaction if the next few pages are Zimmy going, "So, real talk, Carver, you're a walking liability and terrible person for this and this reason, and we're walking out of the comic forever so we won't have to look at your duplicated mug again, bye." (exeunt) Funny idea, although I go with "Yeah, not really interested in whatever your story is, just came here to scare some twits." (And I'm not sure how to link yet,) Use this button in the "Create Post" window:   |
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 17, 2020 14:19:27 GMT
BTW, I like how much you can read from Paz' posse, even though have had said a single thing during this scene. I like how Gamma's hair is going black at the tips... it's probably just a dye job, but you could imagine that after years of absorbing etheric static from Zimms, some of the Zimmster's physical characteristics are starting to leak over as well (like hair color). A few more years and her eyes will start to go smudgy... But what you said made me think, here we have, in contrast to Kat, an example of someone who sacrifices her own life, any social contacts, her physical and her mental well-being for someone else. Not just when Zimmy has specific problems, but ALL the time. Here's hoping that Zimmy has at least stopped translating wrong things to Gamma on purpose to control her. Or maybe washes herself occasionally.
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 17, 2020 14:41:25 GMT
I'm excited to get Zimmy's take on the two Annies. She may be of the mind, that a split flame is still the same flame. Would such an explanation matter to Kat? I like how Gamma's hair is going black at the tips... it's probably just a dye job, but you could imagine that after years of absorbing etheric static from Zimms, some of the Zimmster's physical characteristics are starting to leak over as well (like hair color). A few more years and her eyes will start to go smudgy... But what you said made me think, here we have, in contrast to Kat, an example of someone who sacrifices her own life, any social contacts, her physical and her mental well-being for someone else. Not just when Zimmy has specific problems, but ALL the time. Here's hoping that Zimmy has at least stopped translating wrong things to Gamma on purpose to control her. Or maybe washes herself occasionally.
I've always wondered if Gamma and Zimmy are unknowingly one person, and one is merely manifesting the other.(I don't recall if that's been nixed by WOT or not) If that is sort of the case, they/she might very much empathize with the Twin's situation, without even realizing why. No matter the case, this is a fascinating development. After this, a talk with Kat should make things a bit more clearer. Probably, while making other things cloudier, as usual... |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 17, 2020 14:52:12 GMT
I like how Gamma's hair is going black at the tips... it's probably just a dye job, but you could imagine that after years of absorbing etheric static from Zimms, some of the Zimmster's physical characteristics are starting to leak over as well (like hair color). A few more years and her eyes will start to go smudgy... True! I didn't really notice before since I thought it was just a way of indicating the sheen of her hair and not a different color, but now that her hair is longer, it seems more like a real color gradient. You could still have Zimm's ether static being stored in Gamma's hair ends, turning them a Zimmy black - before, when she cut her hair shorter, yould never see much color change, but now with a longer style, there's more black. Just a odd thought.... |
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Post by strangebloke1 on Jan 17, 2020 15:24:03 GMT
Not that it wasn't obvious before, but this really cements the idea that this confrontation was about intimidation and control. So it felt real good to see her huff and stomp away. Yeah, you don't say "whatcha gonna do, BURN ME?"  if you're actually worried they'll burn you. That was a very bald power play in the conversation. It's totally basic bitch stuff, but Annie doesn't have the wherewithall to deal with it. Annie's early statement that "she could snap Paz in half" is probably accurate, but that only applies if Paz comes at her with a knife or something. Despite Annie's rep she doesn't actually stand up for herself that much unless someone gets physical. Bully her on the social front and she folds like paper. It's arguable that other kids see her as volatile and explosive, but that's clearly not what Paz was worried about here. Once again, I think Paz is being unfair but I do get where she's coming from. She knows what she's doing, but she doesn't care. Annie is (from her perspective) an awful friend and also a rival. All's fair in love and war. But this kind of power play isn't going to work on Zimmy at all. Zimmy actually does threaten Paz, and Paz doesn't react with "Whatcha gonna do, teleport me to a hell scape?" because she knows (or believes, rather) that Zimmy ain't playing. |
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Post by haspen on Jan 17, 2020 15:29:03 GMT
If I were Annie, this calls for a long talk with Kat. It's time to open up -- and be completely honest with the events that just transpired. Good communication? From the Carvers? Nah, not with this family! |
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Post by migrantworker on Jan 17, 2020 16:10:45 GMT
If I were Annie, this calls for a long talk with Kat. It's time to open up -- and be completely honest with the events that just transpired. Good communication? From the Carvers? Nah, not with this family! Maybe Zimmy can help? You know, she did it once before... |
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if you're actually worried they'll burn you. That was a very bald power play in the conversation.
