[2253] Well that don't sound fair.

[madjack]

Out of absolutely nowhere, the cavalry arrives.

[faiiry]

FINALLY. I missed these two like hell.

[Zox Tomana]

Aww, you beat me to the thread create!

And I can't wait to hear what Zimmy-zims has to say.

[arf]

"To explain these unprecedented goings on, we cross now to our resident expert in reality distortion..."

[turniptree]

I can't express how thrilled I am for them to appear, especially here and now.

[seraphiixiao]

Hey guys, new here! I love reading everyone's thoughts, it's actually helped me from our last page -- I had a lot of frustrations.

I was JUST thinking about Zimmy too, how funny that it's her that comes in! I wonder how much she's heard... But I think this is a good thing. I never saw it as fair that Annie should take the blame and believe she's at fault for things she can't control. She has a lot of responsibilities and her own faults; but to point the finger and create a scapegoat, conveniently during a time everyone else has been coming at their throats?

I was anxious yet ready for this page, and now I'm wanting some more.

[taothegreat]

I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE ZIMMY.

THIS IS A VERY EXCITING DEVELOPMENT.

(Also, is Zimmy very tiny or is it just an odd art moment? It's been 6 months, for all I know Zimmy's been doing some shrinking due to ether-related shenanigans.)

Also, I see where Paz is coming from now. She knows absolutely nothing about what's going on, Kat isn't telling her anything so she's just getting fed the Court's lies. In which case - what the heck, Kat, tell your girlfriend more things.

[madjack]

Jan 15, 2020 8:04:23 GMT Zox Tomana said:

Aww, you beat me to the thread create!

The words in the first post came straight to me when I opened today's page and I just knew I had to make the thread with them.

[rafk]

AW SNAP SON, DJ ZIMMY ZIMS IS IN THE HIZZOUSE TO DROP MICS AND CHEW BUBBLEGUM AND SHE'S ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM YO

[artezzatrigger]

Some people predicted Paz. Some people predicted Zimmy and Gamma.

Tom says "Why not both?" Like the chessmaster he is.

(Did they always have such a height difference between them or am I only noticing that now?)

[jda]

Hey, is Gamma Tall or what?
Or are they already starting a space warping distortion?

[madjack]

Gamma does look sleepy...

Actually, unexpected benefit of double Annies: Twice as many people available to help Gamma get some rest occasionally.

[theonethatgotaway]

Jan 15, 2020 8:09:52 GMT taothegreat said:

I AM VERY EXCITED TO SEE ZIMMY.

THIS IS A VERY EXCITING DEVELOPMENT.

(Also, is Zimmy very tiny or is it just an odd art moment? It's been 6 months, for all I know Zimmy's been doing some shrinking due to ether-related shenanigans.)

Also, I see where Paz is coming from now. She knows absolutely nothing about what's going on, Kat isn't telling her anything so she's just getting fed the Court's lies. In which case - what the heck, Kat, tell your girlfriend more things.

Zimmy is not tiny, Gamma just got a growth spurt since last we saw her.

Also, ahem, let me clear my throat...

yes, Yes, YES, YESSSSSS, THEY'RE HEEEeeeEEEEERRE!!

[philman]

Gamma was significantly taller than Zimmy the last time we saw them on the Love Boat over a year and a half ago in GC time, however she looks even bigger here.

The girls would be around 15/16 years old I think by this point, so it is not inconceivable that she has had a growth spurt, but perhaps Zimmy's unique, uh, situation has kept her body from growing or ageing in the normal way.

[sicklykobold]

Jan 15, 2020 8:39:48 GMT jda said:

Hey, is Gamma Tall or what?
Or are they already starting a space warping distortion?

Maybe Tom has decided to firmly embrace the Giantess fetishists, first with Parley and now following up with Gamma. Only time will tell, I suppose.

[agasa]

OH GREAT THANK GOODNESS EGLAMORE IS HERE

[avurai]

THESE WEIRDOS!

I’m legitimately thrilled.

[basser]

Y'all what if Zimmy is the Annie who's actually meant to be from this timeline? Maybe the Annie we've been following got shifted in forever ago (as a result of whatever shenanigans Tony was doing to try to save Surma?) and that's why Zimmy got all goofed.

Support for this theory just off the top of my head: Zimmy was briefly Annie in not-Birmingham; Jack was super into Annie and then shifted to Zimmy like it weren't no thing; Annie is the only person besides Gamma able to act as an etheric heat sink; Renard is uniquely freaked by whatever Zimmy is; Annie has been described as "attractive" to spirits, Zimmy attracts the ether; Zimmy was able to pretty effortlessly pop into Annie's head and punched the holy heck out of Tony, causing him to have an epiphany; Tony acts weird around Prissy Annie but not Scruffy Annie, suggesting Prissy Annie is in fact more than one person somehow, which might indicate she's the one "attached" to this timeline's Zimmy; Zimmy just kinda looks like a nega-Annie, like they're the same size with the same kind of hair and stuff.

Basically I'm kind of thinking of how there's this thing where fairies steal your baby and replace it with a freaky demon baby. Except in this case Tony asked freaky spirits to steal Surma's baby and replace it with a baby from another timeline, presumably in an effort to avoid the fire being transferred, as one might expect it wouldn't be able to transfer to a random alternate-timeline baby. Except it turned out the fire wasn't picky and that's why Tony freaked out so hard, because not only did he not save Surma but he also condemned some innocent kid(s) to an unknown horrific fate. So much bad karma.

Oh! And another thing is that Zimmy is thematically evocative of a smoldering ember, which would be a tiny bit of leftover (forgotten) fire, so one might imagine her as the baby that got a tiny bit of fire but then got dumped in Birmingham (for some reason) to make way for Tony's shiny new alternate-timeline baby. Her soul knows it's missing something so it sucks up ether looking for its fire, and the rain makes her sizzle and washes off the ash to reveal the red glow of her eyes.

... ok wait this comment started as a joke but now I feel like I've kinda halfway convinced myself.

[flowsthead]

Jan 15, 2020 8:09:52 GMT taothegreat said:

Also, I see where Paz is coming from now. She knows absolutely nothing about what's going on, Kat isn't telling her anything so she's just getting fed the Court's lies. In which case - what the heck, Kat, tell your girlfriend more things.

Considering Paz started out as someone who got involved with the Court to fix how they were treating the animals, it's concerning that she is regressing.

Also, I really doubt "everyone" is saying that it's all Annie's fault. I doubt Andrew, Parley, Winsbury, Janet, and some of the others would say so, hence why none of the main people that Paz has hung out with in the past are there to confront Annie. Grasping at straws, Paz.

[madjack]

Jan 15, 2020 9:26:21 GMT flowsthead said:

Jan 15, 2020 8:09:52 GMT taothegreat said:

Also, I see where Paz is coming from now. She knows absolutely nothing about what's going on, Kat isn't telling her anything so she's just getting fed the Court's lies. In which case - what the heck, Kat, tell your girlfriend more things.

Considering Paz started out as someone who got involved with the Court to fix how they were treating the animals, it's concerning that she is regressing.

What. She got involved to help the animals because that's who she is and what she does, Annie for example would be completely lost doing Paz' job and vice versa. She's not regressing at all, the Court is huge and Paz is involved in a small corner of it regularly via her vet lab work and another small corner second hand (the robot work) by way of her relationship with Kat, she's just not involved with and probably largely unaware of the goings on with the Forest.

While typing that I also realized that's probably why brown haired girl is there; She's one who's bought into the 'it's Annie's fault' explanation.

[flowsthead]

Jan 15, 2020 10:05:32 GMT madjack said:

Jan 15, 2020 9:26:21 GMT flowsthead said:

Considering Paz started out as someone who got involved with the Court to fix how they were treating the animals, it's concerning that she is regressing.

What. She got involved to help the animals because that's who she is and what she does, Annie for example would be completely lost doing Paz' job and vice versa. She's not regressing at all, the Court is huge and Paz is involved in a small corner of it regularly via her vet lab work and another small corner second hand (the robot work) by way of her relationship with Kat, she's just not involved and probably largely unaware of the goings on with the Forest.

While typing that I also realized that's probably why brown haired girl is there; She's one who's bought into the 'it's Annie's fault' explanation.

Not sure you understood what I meant. Paz didn't like how they were treating the animals, so she got involved to improve things. Her conversation with Kat was about how the Court was made up of people and people aren't perfect, so of course the Court isn't perfect. If Paz is just listening to other people saying it's Annie's fault, especially people deep with the Court, instead of listening to Kat, her girlfriend, whose seen a lot of the bad things the Court has done, then I would say Paz is regressing.

I wasn't saying anything about Paz doing Annie's work or vice versa. I was saying that Paz initial relationship with the Court was not one of blind trust.

[madjack]

Jan 15, 2020 10:09:18 GMT flowsthead said:

Jan 15, 2020 10:05:32 GMT madjack said:

What. She got involved to help the animals because that's who she is and what she does, Annie for example would be completely lost doing Paz' job and vice versa. She's not regressing at all, the Court is huge and Paz is involved in a small corner of it regularly via her vet lab work and another small corner second hand (the robot work) by way of her relationship with Kat, she's just not involved and probably largely unaware of the goings on with the Forest.

While typing that I also realized that's probably why brown haired girl is there; She's one who's bought into the 'it's Annie's fault' explanation.

Not sure you understood what I meant. Paz didn't like how they were treating the animals, so she got involved to improve things. Her conversation with Kat was about how the Court was made up of people and people aren't perfect, so of course the Court isn't perfect. If Paz is just listening to other people saying it's Annie's fault, especially people deep with the Court, instead of listening to Kat, her girlfriend, whose seen a lot of the bad things the Court has done, then I would say Paz is regressing.

I wasn't saying anything about Paz doing Annie's work or vice versa. I was saying that Paz initial relationship with the Court was not one of blind trust.

Edit: nvm, I get you now.

[Druplesnubb]

It's been 25 chapters and over five years since these two last showed up. Three books have ended and three books have started since then.

[linchie]

Jan 15, 2020 9:22:21 GMT basser said:

Y'all what if Zimmy is the Annie who's actually meant to be from this timeline? Maybe the Annie we've been following got shifted in forever ago (as a result of whatever shenanigans Tony was doing to try to save Surma?) and that's why Zimmy got all goofed.

Support for this theory just off the top of my head: Zimmy was briefly Annie in not-Birmingham; Jack was super into Annie and then shifted to Zimmy like it weren't no thing; Annie is the only person besides Gamma able to act as an etheric heat sink; Renard is uniquely freaked by whatever Zimmy is; Annie has been described as "attractive" to spirits, Zimmy attracts the ether; Zimmy was able to pretty effortlessly pop into Annie's head and punched the holy heck out of Tony, causing him to have an epiphany; Tony acts weird around Prissy Annie but not Scruffy Annie, suggesting Prissy Annie is in fact more than one person somehow, which might indicate she's the one "attached" to this timeline's Zimmy; Zimmy just kinda looks like a nega-Annie, like they're the same size with the same kind of hair and stuff.

I always felt like there is a definite connection between the two which has to make some sense plotwise but failed to coin it. So I think some of your points might actually
be close to what Tom is going for and I'm excited.

[gpvos]

Ah, the voice of reason!

[imaginaryfriend]

[edit]By The Way, what Paz is saying on this page is probably what got her backup crew out here tonight.

Also: It's sorta clever how Paz is framing this. She goes with "people are saying it's your fault" which Antimonies can't refute.[/edit]

Jan 15, 2020 8:47:05 GMT philman said:

Gamma was significantly taller than Zimmy the last time we saw them on the Love Boat over a year and a half ago in GC time, however she looks even bigger here.

The girls would be around 15/16 years old I think by this point, so it is not inconceivable that she has had a growth spurt, but perhaps Zimmy's unique, uh, situation has kept her body from growing or ageing in the normal way.

Stress plus bad diet could explain it. If her powers developed earlier she'd probably have Rickets.

[pyradonis]

Jan 15, 2020 8:47:05 GMT philman said:

Gamma was significantly taller than Zimmy the last time we saw them on the Love Boat over a year and a half ago in GC time, however she looks even bigger here.

The girls would be around 15/16 years old I think by this point, so it is not inconceivable that she has had a growth spurt, but perhaps Zimmy's unique, uh, situation has kept her body from growing or ageing in the normal way.

Also, Gamma is a year older.

Jan 15, 2020 9:22:21 GMT basser said:

Y'all what if Zimmy is the Annie who's actually meant to be from this timeline? Maybe the Annie we've been following got shifted in forever ago (as a result of whatever shenanigans Tony was doing to try to save Surma?) and that's why Zimmy got all goofed.

Support for this theory just off the top of my head: Zimmy was briefly Annie in not-Birmingham; Jack was super into Annie and then shifted to Zimmy like it weren't no thing; Annie is the only person besides Gamma able to act as an etheric heat sink; Renard is uniquely freaked by whatever Zimmy is; Annie has been described as "attractive" to spirits, Zimmy attracts the ether; Zimmy was able to pretty effortlessly pop into Annie's head and punched the holy heck out of Tony, causing him to have an epiphany; Tony acts weird around Prissy Annie but not Scruffy Annie, suggesting Prissy Annie is in fact more than one person somehow, which might indicate she's the one "attached" to this timeline's Zimmy; Zimmy just kinda looks like a nega-Annie, like they're the same size with the same kind of hair and stuff.

Basically I'm kind of thinking of how there's this thing where fairies steal your baby and replace it with a freaky demon baby. Except in this case Tony asked freaky spirits to steal Surma's baby and replace it with a baby from another timeline, presumably in an effort to avoid the fire being transferred, as one might expect it wouldn't be able to transfer to a random alternate-timeline baby. Except it turned out the fire wasn't picky and that's why Tony freaked out so hard, because not only did he not save Surma but he also condemned some innocent kid(s) to an unknown horrific fate. So much bad karma.

Oh! And another thing is that Zimmy is thematically evocative of a smoldering ember, which would be a tiny bit of leftover (forgotten) fire, so one might imagine her as the baby that got a tiny bit of fire but then got dumped in Birmingham (for some reason) to make way for Tony's shiny new alternate-timeline baby. Her soul knows it's missing something so it sucks up ether looking for its fire, and the rain makes her sizzle and washes off the ash to reveal the red glow of her eyes.

... ok wait this comment started as a joke but now I feel like I've kinda halfway convinced myself.

That's a really deep wildspec, nice.

[bicarbonat]

Thank God, finally someone arrives to confiscate the nails and wood.

[bicarbonat]

Jan 15, 2020 9:22:21 GMT basser said:

Y'all what if Zimmy is the Annie who's actually meant to be from this timeline? Maybe the Annie we've been following got shifted in forever ago (as a result of whatever shenanigans Tony was doing to try to save Surma?) and that's why Zimmy got all goofed.

Support for this theory just off the top of my head: Zimmy was briefly Annie in not-Birmingham; Jack was super into Annie and then shifted to Zimmy like it weren't no thing; Annie is the only person besides Gamma able to act as an etheric heat sink; Renard is uniquely freaked by whatever Zimmy is; Annie has been described as "attractive" to spirits, Zimmy attracts the ether; Zimmy was able to pretty effortlessly pop into Annie's head and punched the holy heck out of Tony, causing him to have an epiphany; Tony acts weird around Prissy Annie but not Scruffy Annie, suggesting Prissy Annie is in fact more than one person somehow, which might indicate she's the one "attached" to this timeline's Zimmy; Zimmy just kinda looks like a nega-Annie, like they're the same size with the same kind of hair and stuff.

Basically I'm kind of thinking of how there's this thing where fairies steal your baby and replace it with a freaky demon baby. Except in this case Tony asked freaky spirits to steal Surma's baby and replace it with a baby from another timeline, presumably in an effort to avoid the fire being transferred, as one might expect it wouldn't be able to transfer to a random alternate-timeline baby. Except it turned out the fire wasn't picky and that's why Tony freaked out so hard, because not only did he not save Surma but he also condemned some innocent kid(s) to an unknown horrific fate. So much bad karma.

Oh! And another thing is that Zimmy is thematically evocative of a smoldering ember, which would be a tiny bit of leftover (forgotten) fire, so one might imagine her as the baby that got a tiny bit of fire but then got dumped in Birmingham (for some reason) to make way for Tony's shiny new alternate-timeline baby. Her soul knows it's missing something so it sucks up ether looking for its fire, and the rain makes her sizzle and washes off the ash to reveal the red glow of her eyes.

... ok wait this comment started as a joke but now I feel like I've kinda halfway convinced myself.

*hoists you up on our shoulders and crowns you with many tinfoil crowns*
THE PRINCE WHO WAS PROMISED

[todd]

Jan 15, 2020 8:09:52 GMT taothegreat said:

Also, I see where Paz is coming from now. She knows absolutely nothing about what's going on, Kat isn't telling her anything so she's just getting fed the Court's lies.

I don't know if "lies" is the most accurate word. We don't know whether the Court leadership is deliberately feeding falsehoods against Annie. (It does seem capable of it, but we don't have any evidence.) More likely, the "everyone is saying this is your fault" is a panicky public looking for someone to blame. Since hardly anyone knows that Annie freed Jeanne, it's more likely (as I mentioned before) searching for someone to blame whom you can get at (which you can't do with Loup).

Though the Court leadership might still approve of blaming Annie, in the hopes that it'll distract everyone from itself.